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For one thing spares - spares were hard to get for the TP2 and they were hardly light and as easy to push over carpet despite the height adjustment selector - another annoying part that used to break off with me.

Also, unless you really want me to go to great depths of why I think SEBO's X1 is better, have a look at my review online of one of my Hoover Turbopower 2's - it provides enough pros and cons.

Vegas - good luck with your future buy - pity there's a damming review about it on Amazon.com from a commercial buyer where when a lot of them were purchased, they didn't exactly work properly. I don't mind if a brand copies a generic design - but when it gets negative feedback from BUYERS as opposed to collectors, I'm at two minds on whether it is really that good = especially when it is a model apparently designed for the commercial market.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Hoover_Turbopower_2_Autosense_U2464__Review_6049345
 
Amazon Review, not verified buyer.

Do not believe every review you read, if you do there are a lot of vacuums half the price that Consumer Reports believes are Better than the Sebo X4. I can only tell you from the one time I used it, it cleaned my carpet as good as any Sebo G1 would do. Still not a better cleaner than my Miele S7 but a lot lighter. I still consider the Windsor a better built commercial unit but at half the cost the Hoover is a great option.

Again if you only go by reviews, there is a Sears Kenmore Intuition for less than $100 USD all over ebay that according to CR will clean circles around the Sebo X4.
 
Ah but I'm just a consumer of vacuums - I have many - I don't see the SEBO as being the ultimate of uprights. But I'm sure you'd feel the same if you saw one of your favourite vacuums being copied and sold alongside.

And for your additional info - we don't get Kenmore in the UK - though Panasonic based, the uprights we do get are slightly different and not as intuitive.
 
Elvis was flattered

imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Elvis Presley was flattered when impersonators tried to copy him, he never got upset. You have the wrong attitude. This only shows how darn good the Sebo design is, it will not put them out of business. If they do not hold up under commercial use, those purchasers will run back to Sebo and appreciate them that much more.
 
Yes but Elvis was a person not a commercial vacuum cleaner

So, in actual fact you are shooting yourself in the foot.

You can't have it both ways.

In your original post you say that "its a future rare investment." Now you say that IF they don't hold up, they'' run back to SEBO. Where is the proof in that? Can you hear yourself? If buyers get turned off by the copied SEBO design, they may be turned off by SEBO altogether rather than buying the original. In the same way if the Insight proves to be a good, then so be it - but they'll still be the SEBO models around whether Hoover's marketing dept like it not.

Fine if the SEBO model wasn't available anymore - but that isn't the case.
 
Chill

You need to Chill, this hoover is just a low cost alternative to the real thing. The Sebo is the real deal for those who can afford to pay more and enjoy the hundreds of established dealer networks for service and support. The Hoover is a less expensive altrenative for those who cannot afford the real deal or those who just love Hoover like you love Sebo.

My Opinion is the Hoover performs better and has some upgrades but the Sebo is better built. I have used both and have more experience with them than the people who are looking at the photos or reading specs.

This forum is to share a hobby not attack one another or get upset because someone's opinion is not mine.
 
Are you a moderator on here?

Who are you to tell me what I can do and what I can't do?

Did you think about your own advice when you formed your opinion of the Miele S7? Im sure there are members who love their Miele S7 upright and don't need to be told how poorly built it is. Or for that matter those who disagree.
 
Not so serious

No, I appreciate vacuums, all manufacture, types and sizes. I give my opinion, it is only an opinion, for the next person has their own which I respect and some times learn from.
 
I hate to interrupt a fight with actual discussion, but does this machine come with a dusting brush or is one available for it?
 
Tools

I do not know if one is available, it does come with the standard crevice tool and upholstery tool mounted to the back like on the Sebo.
 
Wand handle

The wand handle is not the same, it does work similar. I still am believing the green non-commercial one is a limited release. The manual does not have a model name and the vacuum states patents pending. The shop near me sold the green one out and now only has the commercial version. There are a couple of on-line shops that have them.

It is my understanding that the Sebo x4 brush roll will work in the Hoover, I have ot yet tried it.

I heard that Hoover had 30 plus Sebo's torn apart in the R&D department as they were developing this vacuum.
 
Vegassucks

Where did you "hear" that Hoover had "30 plus Sebos torn apart" while developing the Insight?

I work with the R and D department at Tacony and those guys wouldn't need "30 or more" machines to develop a copy of one. Maybe because they are American engineers and graduates of Missouri College of Science and Technology.

Your age isn't in your profile, not sure if you're one of the children we have here, or just a private adult collector. You seem to have many opinions about vacuums you don't own and know nothing about. On the other hand, I actually work at a vacuum cleaner manufacturer and work with the Engineering department and have helped them develop the new Maytag models from the ground up.

All vacuum manufacturers share their 'about to be launched' products with each other. Bet you didn't know that. I got a brand new Kirby G2000 with no serial number, sent to us by Kirby many years ago. We have a warehouse full of brand new vacuums that we put on the Treadmill and test against our current products.

That's how I got to see the Digital Motor Hoover Insight some time ago. I know that it's rare for a collector to actually work with not-yet-launched products, and that's why I'm happy to go to work everyday. I can actually say I'm contributing to the future of vacuum cleaner technology.
 
Thanks for the info sebo_fan I can see from your pictures now what else they copied! I wish some of these vacuum manufacturers would come up with there own original ideas would make the market a lot more interesting!
 
As a vacuum cleaner collector, I really don't mind who copies who - usually I turn a blind eye or look out that model in particular IF the copied original is no longer made. If someone was to copy the Dyson DC01 with the same look and the same design and put it out tomorrow, I'd probably consider buying it - the DC01 was one of my favourite Dyson models.

BUT, to offer a similar copied model on a design that is STILL selling on the market, AND worse, by THEE COMPANY that were once a major player and one of my favourite classic brands, Hoover have a real cheek. They're lucky the patents on the SEBO have passed their sell by date - but it doesn't necessarily mean its right to do so.
 
Tacony R&D

If you do work for Tacony R&D Dysonman1, please work on your vacuum handle so people who spend $700 on a vacuum do not have to spend an additional $85 when their handle breaks off in their hand.
Next would be to work on a user name that does not promote your largest worldwide competitor, why would you promote the competition with your user name?

The information came from a dealer, whether it is true or not I could not tell you. Third thing to work on is a $1,500 vacuum that Good Houskeeping can find more than one good thing to say about. I do believe the Riccar/Simplicity line is close to being a Great vacuum, if they only would hire a German engineer to fine tune a few things.
 
One of my favorite vacuums

Now this is one good looking vacuum[this post was last edited: 8/6/2013-22:48]

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Why would you tear down the Brilliance, yet say the Synchrony is "best". They're the same vacuum. Our handles have been improved in durability, and all handle upgrades are FREE. Even if the machine is out of warranty. I met James Dyson many years ago, and Dyson is NOT Tacony's competitor. I own one of every model Dyson ever made - and feel James changed the landscape of vacuums. Tacony didn't hire a "yes' man, they hired someone who would help the engineering department create better vacuums. The new Maytag line represents the very best bagged vacuums on the market today. All three models have tested well over 1200 hours on the treadmill test and have had ZERO problems.
 
synchrony VS Brilliance

I believe the Synchrony is the best looking vacuum made, not the best. I believe the use of a non-chevron brush roll is the problem that hurts Riccar/Simplicity. Their top of the line vacuum with the Hepa-filter on the side is a joke. There is another item to work on, put the filter inside the vacuum and fix the current cheap holder that holder the filer in place, this should be metal.

My opinion is all bagless vacuums including Dyson are a health hazard, messy and cheaply made. If you want to know more about Dyson vacuums just go into any vacuum repair shop and you will see stacks of them waiting for repairs in the back.

The UK makes great audio equipment, their Vacuum designs? just a lot of hype
 
Personally, I love Dyson vacuums. Not every model, but the concept. I owned the VERY FIRST Dyson vacuum in the United States. I have the largest private collection of Dysons. James gives me one of every new model he makes, and has done so for years.

That being said, I find faults in his cleaners, as I can do with any vacuum. But I celebrate the great things. Like it or not, he's changed vacuum history, which is something I try to do with every engineering meeting they hold at the Museum. I also get to test every new model, finding flaws before the models get the injection molding made. Our current Maytag models are examples of two years of testing, and our newest "Jiffy maid" bagless upright went through over 13 redesigns before we 'got it right'.

By the way, I rarely sell a Tandem Air upright. I prefer the 7850 model, and think it's the most powerful, best clean air designed upright made today. Too bad it's going to be obsolete when the new Maytag models launch at the end of September, but the new Maytag clean air upright uses the double fan, double ball bearing motor and is definitely an improvement over the 7850 so I'm super stoked to see it launch.
 
Maytag

I am not a fan of the name Maytag on a vacuum but the specs you talk about sound interesting. I know many Americans love the name Maytag, I would like to see the geniuses at Fisher & Paykel design a vacuum.
 

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