Another version of the Hoover Sebo Copy

[vegassucks]

You take your Sebo thing way to personal, Everyone knows what a Great vacuum they are. I checked out the Hoover copy in person and believe it is way to close to not have permission by Sebo. Look at this photo of the Hepa filter base it is the same as Sebo. I do believe the Hoover is more noisy because it seems more powerful than the Sebo. The Sebo seems to use much better quality of materials.

 

[sebo_fan]

Sorry if you think I take things "personal" but as a vacuum cleaner collector, I was very much like JMurray and a lot of the younger members on here who adored Hoover and nothing else. I had 100 Hoover vacuums at one point and thought they were brilliant. The day changed when I discovered the SEBO X1 and kissed goodbye to my Turbopower 2 collection...

For your information - SEBO U.S marketed that filter as their own design. Many years ago when I first became a member of another vacuum cleaner affiliated forum, I was surprised to see a paper pleated cone filter for the Windsor series. Upon contacting Sebo in Germany, they only make those filters for certain markets and the UK isn't one of them - after testing the filter, and after pressure from the U.S, SEBO developed the paper pleated filter cone for SEBO U.S markets - but Europe and UK have the felt filter, additional upgrade to Charcoal for pet owners. After testing the paper pleated cone, SEBO in Germany weren't happy to sell it all the markets as it isn't as effective as the felt micro filter.

 

[vegassucks]

I Purchased One

I purchased one of these today just for the fact I believe they will be rare. I will let you know my opinion after I have some time to check it out. Out of the box it does seem to have better details such as:
1. Better bag seal
2. Bag door seals like Miele
3. The Hepa Filter has a rubber seal to prevent leakage.

Please Sebo fanatics do not tale this personal, I love vacuum engineering and believe this one might nor be around for very long and wanted it for my collection..

 

[vegassucks]

Airflow

See this image the Insight seems to have more airflow. I believe this is achieved by the larger opening in the Hepa filter, also note the seal. Sebo filter on the left Insight on the right (orange). The Insight is rate at about 10 CFM higher than the Sebo.

 

[vegassucks]

Rubber seal for bag

Notice the rubber seal for the bag inlet. This seems to be a better seal than my Windsor Sensor had or maybe mine was worn.

 

[alexhoovers94]

Sebofan...

How on earth one could turn their back on a Turbopower 2 in honour for a SEBO just makes my skin crawl.

 

[vegassucks]

The seal around the bag cover.

Note the seal around the bag cover, maybe Sebo has this and mine was missing. I did notice the Insight when turned on closes tight and seals like my Miele S7.

 

[vegassucks]

Bottom line

Bottom line. If you love Hoover and were curious about Sebo, this is your chance to have the best of both worlds. Probabaly the best performing Hoover ever made.

 

[vacuumfreeeke]

No matter what anyone thinks, it's always exciting to get a new machine, so congratulations!  Does this have the automatic height adjust or the manual one?


 


 

 

[vegassucks]

Height adjustment

No this has the manual adjustment like the Sebo G1. Much more of a G1 copy than an X4.

 

[sebo_fan]

Alex

For one thing spares - spares were hard to get for the TP2 and they were hardly light and as easy to push over carpet despite the height adjustment selector - another annoying part that used to break off with me.

Also, unless you really want me to go to great depths of why I think SEBO's X1 is better, have a look at my review online of one of my Hoover Turbopower 2's - it provides enough pros and cons.

Vegas - good luck with your future buy - pity there's a damming review about it on Amazon.com from a commercial buyer where when a lot of them were purchased, they didn't exactly work properly. I don't mind if a brand copies a generic design - but when it gets negative feedback from BUYERS as opposed to collectors, I'm at two minds on whether it is really that good = especially when it is a model apparently designed for the commercial market.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Hoover_Turbopower_2_Autosense_U2464__Review_6049345

 

[vegassucks]

Amazon Review, not verified buyer.

Do not believe every review you read, if you do there are a lot of vacuums half the price that Consumer Reports believes are Better than the Sebo X4. I can only tell you from the one time I used it, it cleaned my carpet as good as any Sebo G1 would do. Still not a better cleaner than my Miele S7 but a lot lighter. I still consider the Windsor a better built commercial unit but at half the cost the Hoover is a great option.

Again if you only go by reviews, there is a Sears Kenmore Intuition for less than $100 USD all over ebay that according to CR will clean circles around the Sebo X4.

 

[sebo_fan]

Ah but I'm just a consumer of vacuums - I have many - I don't see the SEBO as being the ultimate of uprights. But I'm sure you'd feel the same if you saw one of your favourite vacuums being copied and sold alongside.

And for your additional info - we don't get Kenmore in the UK - though Panasonic based, the uprights we do get are slightly different and not as intuitive.

 

[vegassucks]

Elvis was flattered

imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Elvis Presley was flattered when impersonators tried to copy him, he never got upset. You have the wrong attitude. This only shows how darn good the Sebo design is, it will not put them out of business. If they do not hold up under commercial use, those purchasers will run back to Sebo and appreciate them that much more.

 

[sebo_fan]

Yes but Elvis was a person not a commercial vacuum cleaner

So, in actual fact you are shooting yourself in the foot.

You can't have it both ways.

In your original post you say that "its a future rare investment." Now you say that IF they don't hold up, they'' run back to SEBO. Where is the proof in that? Can you hear yourself? If buyers get turned off by the copied SEBO design, they may be turned off by SEBO altogether rather than buying the original. In the same way if the Insight proves to be a good, then so be it - but they'll still be the SEBO models around whether Hoover's marketing dept like it not.

Fine if the SEBO model wasn't available anymore - but that isn't the case.

 

[vegassucks]

Chill

You need to Chill, this hoover is just a low cost alternative to the real thing. The Sebo is the real deal for those who can afford to pay more and enjoy the hundreds of established dealer networks for service and support. The Hoover is a less expensive altrenative for those who cannot afford the real deal or those who just love Hoover like you love Sebo.

My Opinion is the Hoover performs better and has some upgrades but the Sebo is better built. I have used both and have more experience with them than the people who are looking at the photos or reading specs.

This forum is to share a hobby not attack one another or get upset because someone's opinion is not mine.

 

[sebo_fan]

Are you a moderator on here?

Who are you to tell me what I can do and what I can't do?

Did you think about your own advice when you formed your opinion of the Miele S7? Im sure there are members who love their Miele S7 upright and don't need to be told how poorly built it is. Or for that matter those who disagree.

 

[vegassucks]

Sebo

I will leave it at this, I would not someone like you being my advocate if I was Sebo.

 

[sebo_fan]

Thats fine with me - I dont work in the industry and you're not exactly one yourself by purchasing a Chinese copy.

 

[vegassucks]

Not so serious

No, I appreciate vacuums, all manufacture, types and sizes. I give my opinion, it is only an opinion, for the next person has their own which I respect and some times learn from.