An argument against Bagless

[vegassucks]

I found this on an Internet site and 100% agree.





*HOW MUCH DO YOUR LUNGS COST?
I hear people lamenting how much money vacuum bags cost, and use that to justify why they bought a bagless vacuum ( which ends up costing more if you do the right thing with the filters!). Also, we hear - "we have dogs or cats so we'd fill up so many bags..." Correct - you have dogs, so your house has 10 times more air-borne pollution in it, so ALL THE MORE REASON TO EMPLOY A GOOD DUST-CONTAINMENT SYSTEM SO YOU DON'T BREATHE IN A BUNCH OF CRAP INTO YOUR BODY.
I haven't priced a set of lungs, but I'm sure their way more costly than $20 a year for bags. Anyone who thinks their bagless vacuum is containing the dust just isn't paying attention. Go see what asbestos or lead abatement guys are using for that job - I guarantee you it isn't a Dyson.



*Why Not Re-use your Kitchen Garbage Bags to Save Money?
Here's why - because it's a filthy bio-hazard, a lot like the one in most people's vacuum cleaners. Dog-oil covered hair, cat-spit covered fur, food crumbs & various goo, cat-pee covered litter dust, etc. All packed together in a nice humid Petri Dish, fermenting and waiting to be poofed out for you to breathe. And then you leave in the funk-infused "permanent" filter to reek up the place every time you run it & continue to breed gross things. Plus, kitchen bags cost about the same as vacuum bags, especially when you figure that you use more of them per month than a vac bag. I'm just saying, if you're complaining about changing vacuum bags for whatever reason - cost, hygiene - then you should start complaining about the kitchen trash too, lest you make no sense.
In Summary - nobody has invented a better way to collect & contain, & dispose of your dirt without blowing it around your house, all marketing aside. It's not free, but at a couple bucks a month & 10 seconds of your time, it's a good deal for clean air & minimal hassle. The only improvement to it has been that they've made thicker, non-explodable ones to combat the human negligence factors of over-filling or getting them wet.

 

[mieles7]

I would usually empty out my bagless vacuums out in the trash can outside, but I can see how that would be impractical for people living in an apartment or a place where emptying the vacuum out outside. If I do have to empty out my bagless inside, I'll usually wait until I have a nearly full kitchen bag and just dump the dirt in there. I've also had bags (both cloth and paper) cough out some dust when I pull them off the fill tube. Pretty much every vacuum will release some dust when you empty the dust bin or change the bag.

 

[dysonman1]

And that's exactly why people who want a bagless should use a Rainbow. I'm not worried about lead or asbestos, I'm wanting pick up dog hair, dirt, cat hair, leaves, and household dust. I want to trap it in the water so I cannot breath it, and when I empty it down the commode I never see it again. Plus, I put a CLEAN vacuum back into the closet. Unless you wash the entire cyclone and bin assembly (plus the filters) after each use of any dry bagless cleaner, you're putting it away with dirt still in it. Bags stink like dog hair after a week, and they cost up to five dollars each (for Kenmore bags, more for Miele or Kirby Hepa bags). Would you throw a five dollar bill into the trash can? Two quarts of water is virtually free.

 

[cb123]

Well, the cost of a lung transplant will set you back about a cool $450,000 all depending upon your insurance of course. If you got crapy insurance like most they'll just wheel you back to the dead room and give you a lethal dose of morphine - if your lucky. Most likely they'll look at you with none caring, cold eyes and send you home to die; as the hospital workers around you laugh and joke about last night's fun filled follies as they frolic about the corridors on a cloud. So, yeah, I think bags will help keep the dust mites and a myriad of other little goodies out of the delicate pink fluff of your lungs, and besides who's got all day to be washing a hundred filters, when you know there just going to get clogged all over again. There's only 24 hours in a day don't you know!

 

[sebo_fan]

Actually there is a way around this rather than just having a bagged vacuum - an air conditioning system that also has a built in charcoal and HEPA type filter that absorbs odour and dust in the air. Mind you it would have to continuously left on to be of any use. I know such a system exists when you see programs like "Extreme Makeover" for families who have problem with dust in the air.

 

[dressur]

Well I agree with the OP.. I have 8 HEPA asbestos vacuums which are the Nilfisk and yes they have bags and a large cotton filer and a motor filter sock and a HEPA filter on top of the motor. I am a prying finger kind of guy, took the bottom motor cover off of one of my Nilfisk and it is almost pristine, just a little carbon dust. I agree with bags. My patriot is bagged but the person that had it before me only used the filer cloth bag and look what a disaster that was. Though how much damage can house dust do to your lungs, when you are outside in the wind with dust or pollen or car exhaust. Pets are stinky but don't think a carcinogen.

 

[myles_v]

But air cleaning systems don't prevent you from breathing in the dust as you dump the container into the trash. They do have their place, but why not try to keep the pollution down at the source?

I agree that bags are better, and would much rather use bagged vacuums than bagless. Whenever I use one of my bagless vacuums I only dump it into the trashcan if there is a new bag in it, because that way I can stick most of the container inside the trash and hit the button.

I plan to go over to my great grandma's house later today to help her clean, and she got a Shark Navigator a few months ago that I have yet to use (I have used the original Shark Navigator model once, though) and I am interested in seeing how well it works.

 

[sebo_fan]

On the basis that dust always flies up and around. it makes sense to have a bagged vacuum AND a fresh air system in the house. I don't have dust allergies though I hate bare dust making me sneeze.

 

[vegassucks]

Not an attack on Dyson

I understand why people like Dyson, they are cool looking. But when you really look at the facts any well built well filtered bag vacuum is a better choice for your health. Many people with asthma , chronic bronchitis are being sold on the Dyson. I was watching CNN this morning for about an hour and 2 Dyson vacuum commercials came on. How much does this cost? Millions. Millions of dollars of advertisement is paid by building a vacuum as cheaply as possible in a third world Country with cheap labor and convincing you want one.

This forum proves their advertising working. Many very intelligent people who know better are purchasing Dyson's and convincing themselves they are a good value. Look at the people who are making a living with a vacuum as a tool and what they use? It is Sebo/Windsor, Lindhaus or a solid commercial from Sanitaire. This tells you what's best, not a $250,000 CNN commercial.

Miele's are also great but must be well taken care of and are designed for household use they are built

to look good. There is no way an S7 would hold up to a janitorial service abuse. I just hate seeing good people mislead by multi-million dollar advertising gimmicks. I have never seen a Sebo, Lindhaus, Miele or Rainbow commercial on TV, yet we all know how excellent these machines are.

Consumer Reports? They do not live with these vacuums. They test them and write an opinion and move on to toaster ovens.

The money James Dyson has made pedeling his Dyson. Do you think he gives a darn about your health? Do not be so foolish

Vacuums.http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/richest-billionaires/james-dyson-net-worth/

[this post was last edited: 8/17/2013-14:23]

 

[vegassucks]

Does not matter, what's a little dust?

Domestic dust and humans[ source Wikipedia)

Three years of use without cleaning has caused this laptop heat sink to become clogged with dust, rendering the computer unusable due to possibility of overheating.
Dust may worsen hay fever. Circulating outdoor air through a house by keeping doors and windows open, or at least slightly ajar, may reduce the risk of hay fever-causing dust. In colder climates, occupants seal even the smallest air gaps, and eliminate outside fresh air circulating inside the house. So it is essential to manage dust and airflow.
House dust mites are ubiquitous everywhere humans live indoors. Positive tests for dust mite allergies are extremely common among people with asthma. Dust mites are microscopic arachnids whose primary food is dead human skin cells. They do not actually live on people, though. They and their feces and other allergens they produce are major constituents of house dust, but because they are so heavy they are not long suspended in the air. They generally are on the floor and other surfaces, until disturbed (by walking, for example). Sources[who?] suggest it could take somewhere between 20 minutes and 2 hours for them to settle back down out of the air. Dust mites are a nesting species that prefer a dark, warm and humid climate, and they therefore flourish in mattresses, bedding, upholstered furniture, and carpets. Their feces include enzymes that are released upon contact with a moist surface, as happens when a person breathes it in, and these enzymes actually kill cells within the human body.[2] Sources suggest that house dust mites did not become a problem until humans began to use textiles, such as western style blankets and clothing.[3]
Alternatively, the hygiene hypothesis posits that the modern obsession with cleanliness is as much a problem as house dust mites. The hygiene hypothesis argues that our lack of prior pathogenic exposure may in fact encourage the development of ailments including hay fever and asthma.[4][5]

 

[vegassucks]

No big deal if I touch my Hepa Dyson filter to clean it.

What actually is house dust? (Medicine.net)

House dust is a mixture of diverse substances that can cause allergies. House dust is composed of a number of natural substances, including dried food particles, mold spores, pollen, fabric fibers, animal dander, and insect parts, especially those of dust mites and cockroaches. However, particles and debris from dust mites are the major source of allergens in dust. As is the case with other allergens, these particles contain proteins that are small enough to become airborne and inhaled.

Still want that extra dust spillage on your kitchen floor? Is it worth having that popular, cool Dyson that Billionaire James Dyson just told me I needed.

 

[cb123]

Yeah, wasn't it Joseph Gerbel's who said," If you tell a lie a thousand times it will become truth." Wake up America!

 

[sebo_fan]

Not this old chestnut again

Yes but they are JUST vacuums, as they are JUST toasters and JUST ovens and so forth. Carbon emissions in the home are generated more just by central heating alone.

Toasters aren't any better in terms of premium to cheap prices - you get Porsche designed ones and so forth as well as cheap Chinese made ones that can last a long duration.

We have individual rights to buy what we want to buy individually. Should people wish to ignore the benefits of dust in a bag, let them. We should be thankful that of the brands that offer bagged machines, that they are still in existence rather than being phased out, bought out or simply killed off.

 

[vegassucks]

People will believe anything

Use your brain, you know what is good for you.

 

[vegassucks]

The choice is yours

I wonder if they will wash their dishes in the same sink?

 

[cb123]

Exactly, it's like the old Kent cigarettes with the asbestos, micronite filters; it contained all the necessary nutrients that growing body needed. I like to call them the Clark Kent cigarettes with the Kryptonite filters, because they will fly you faster than a speeding bullet to the hospital for that double lung transplant! Great cigarette add

 

[caligula]

Calling Dr. Daniel B. Replogle.

In 1916 he was concerned about that very thing, and decided to do something about it. Dr. Replogle, who lived in Toledo, Ohio had designed a new kind of vacuum cleaner that used a thick fiber filter to trap the dust, and put inside the outer dust bag. Problem was that he had nobody to manufactur this machine, so the idea went no place.

A few years later, Dr. Replogle was walking in the rain and a car stopped offering him a lift. The driver was Pratt Tracy, co-founder with his brother Clarance of the Air-Way Electric Appliance company. Dr. Replogle told Pratt his ideas, and the result was the first Air-Way, Sanitation system which came out in 1920.

It was a great idea then, it's a better idea now. While I don't like the baggless vacuum cleaners that have been out for the past 20 years, (I don't like any vacuum cleaner newer that 1970!) But for health reasons, I agree a Rainbow makes a lot of sense. And that concept has been around almost as long as the upright Air-Way!

Alex Taber.

 

[caligula]

The first Air-Way.

Here's a look at the parts of the upright Air-Way, circa 1920.

 

[cb123]

So be careful in what kind of vacuum you use, because you don't want to wind up in the T-Zone. I think T-Zone is code for the part of the grave which is under the tombstone.