I agree SO much with Mieles7 reply #1 because when I changed the Numatic Henry Hepaflo bag,the dust came out onto the bag holder and made the bucket dusty soon. IF you look at the best sealed vacuum, tgere will soon be a.dusty bag housing and bag door or whatever
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I agree SO much with Mieles7 reply #1 because when I changed the Numatic Henry Hepaflo bag,the dust came out onto the bag holder and made the bucket dusty soon. IF you look at the best sealed vacuum, tgere will soon be a.dusty bag housing and bag door or whatever
vegassucks
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Bags $$$$$$
Yes Dysonman1, bags are expensive and if your bags smells like dirty dog all the better reason to use a bagged system and not touch that mess., The $4 bags usually are Hepa and large, lasting at least a month. Riccar has excellent bags that are large and fairly affordable. Lastly if your Dog smells that bad give it a bath more often.
James Dyson Is a billionaire convincing people of a problem that never existed. I bet his maid services uses Sebo to clean his mansions.
Yes Dysonman1, bags are expensive and if your bags smells like dirty dog all the better reason to use a bagged system and not touch that mess., The $4 bags usually are Hepa and large, lasting at least a month. Riccar has excellent bags that are large and fairly affordable. Lastly if your Dog smells that bad give it a bath more often.
James Dyson Is a billionaire convincing people of a problem that never existed. I bet his maid services uses Sebo to clean his mansions.
dysonman1
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It doesn't smell like 'dirty' dog, it just smells like dirt AND dog hair. Bags stink. There's no way around it. Bags are great profit makers for companies. While a Miele S7 is the vacuum most often used to clean my home (but I'm not the one who uses it) - That filthy bag stinks after a month.
I am getting best laugh out of some people's thoughts that bagged vacuums are somehow cleaner. Ha Ha ha. The general public doesn't treat their bagged vacuums any better than their bagless ones. Some of the filthiest vacuums I've ever had to work on were bagged. Vacuum collectors are a different breed. They treat their vacuums much differently than the public.
Once again, if you want the CLEANEST vacuum cleaner to trap your dirt and allergens, use a Rainbow. It starts out clean, and can be put away as clean as your Dishes! What other vacuum can you say that about? Do you really want to work that hard cleaning your house, just to put the filthy, nasty bag - with all the dirt in it, in your closet?
I'm getting the BIGGEST laugh out of the paranoia about dust. Hoover used a satin pillow case for over ten years as a 'bag'. They just belched the fine dust back into the air. No one died. Hoover wouldn't legally use a disposable bag until 1940 - with the launch of the model 60. All those millions of people who had dust belching cloth bags that had to be emptied and shaken outside, never died or got sick from the dust escaping their Hoover.
And James Dyson knows all about the Rainbow. I sent him a model D2 (chrome dome) more than 20 years ago.
I am getting best laugh out of some people's thoughts that bagged vacuums are somehow cleaner. Ha Ha ha. The general public doesn't treat their bagged vacuums any better than their bagless ones. Some of the filthiest vacuums I've ever had to work on were bagged. Vacuum collectors are a different breed. They treat their vacuums much differently than the public.
Once again, if you want the CLEANEST vacuum cleaner to trap your dirt and allergens, use a Rainbow. It starts out clean, and can be put away as clean as your Dishes! What other vacuum can you say that about? Do you really want to work that hard cleaning your house, just to put the filthy, nasty bag - with all the dirt in it, in your closet?
I'm getting the BIGGEST laugh out of the paranoia about dust. Hoover used a satin pillow case for over ten years as a 'bag'. They just belched the fine dust back into the air. No one died. Hoover wouldn't legally use a disposable bag until 1940 - with the launch of the model 60. All those millions of people who had dust belching cloth bags that had to be emptied and shaken outside, never died or got sick from the dust escaping their Hoover.
And James Dyson knows all about the Rainbow. I sent him a model D2 (chrome dome) more than 20 years ago.
myles_v
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The only vacuums I've owned and used since they were new (or after I cleaned them very well, not including vacuums my mom uses and picks up who knows what with) that started to stink are Orecks. Oreck's Fresh Air Tabs (or another brand scent tablet, I just happen to like the original scent Oreck tablets) are necessary with their uprights!
If a bag that you change every 1-6 weeks starts to smell, what about bagless vacuum permanent filters? They're sure to get some sort of a smell.
If a bag that you change every 1-6 weeks starts to smell, what about bagless vacuum permanent filters? They're sure to get some sort of a smell.
vegassucks
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Dyson Smell
Yes Dysons are a smelly mess. I owned one years ago and was tired of emptying that messy thing and cleaning the filter. Besides the smell they are manufactued by slave labor in third world Countries for a few dollars a day. Dyson has to save his dollars to brainwash people on TV that they must own a filthy Dyson.
James Dyson is playing the foolish public like a fiddle, it's not his fault people are foolish. Find one you tube video where a Vacuum Store owners is claiming Dyson to be anything but garbage. That is because anyone with a little knowledge who will take the time to do a comparison can tell Dysons are very cheaply made and do not clean carpet very well.
Throw out your kitchen bag liners and just empty the plastic bin, same dirty rediculus concept.
Yes Dysons are a smelly mess. I owned one years ago and was tired of emptying that messy thing and cleaning the filter. Besides the smell they are manufactued by slave labor in third world Countries for a few dollars a day. Dyson has to save his dollars to brainwash people on TV that they must own a filthy Dyson.
James Dyson is playing the foolish public like a fiddle, it's not his fault people are foolish. Find one you tube video where a Vacuum Store owners is claiming Dyson to be anything but garbage. That is because anyone with a little knowledge who will take the time to do a comparison can tell Dysons are very cheaply made and do not clean carpet very well.
Throw out your kitchen bag liners and just empty the plastic bin, same dirty rediculus concept.
cb123
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P.T. Barnum once said, " A sucker is born every minute" just as some other wise acre once said, " A fool and his money is soon parted." I guess you can call them words of wisdom. I sure wish I could come up with a good scam!
myles_v
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My Dyson has yet to smell BAD (it does have a smell, though. Plus it's been repaired twice in 4 years) but my Hoover T-Series has started smelling bad (my mom is the only one who regularly uses that one, and she used to use carpet powder which I'm guessing has mixed with all the dirt in the vacuum to make an even worse smell than dirt alone).
Hans,
You are so right. Now many of the new bags are much better than in the past. Kirby has one of the best on the market. Miele and many companies that now use the cloth synthetic bags have got the right idea. Tom is right, the average person doesn't care about the vacuum, they just use it. Many folks are to tight to change the bag...lets save money...so they buy a bag-less. You could buy a years supply of bags for the cost of the filter.
Rainbow has the a good idea, except a lot of dust escapes those machines as well. If you use any form of talcum powder it is not water soluble and it passes right through. The new machine has a hepa filter on the machine, but it is after the motor so your fans and motor could sustain damage. Plus, I won't empty it down the toilette. It is far to hard on the plumbing in your home. The sediment over time builds up in the trap.
All vacuums have their faults...but I would agree Hans, Electrolux and Air Way had the market with good bags. I so want to try the new Aerus Platinum....They not only have a good bag but filters as well.
You are so right. Now many of the new bags are much better than in the past. Kirby has one of the best on the market. Miele and many companies that now use the cloth synthetic bags have got the right idea. Tom is right, the average person doesn't care about the vacuum, they just use it. Many folks are to tight to change the bag...lets save money...so they buy a bag-less. You could buy a years supply of bags for the cost of the filter.
Rainbow has the a good idea, except a lot of dust escapes those machines as well. If you use any form of talcum powder it is not water soluble and it passes right through. The new machine has a hepa filter on the machine, but it is after the motor so your fans and motor could sustain damage. Plus, I won't empty it down the toilette. It is far to hard on the plumbing in your home. The sediment over time builds up in the trap.
All vacuums have their faults...but I would agree Hans, Electrolux and Air Way had the market with good bags. I so want to try the new Aerus Platinum....They not only have a good bag but filters as well.
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Not to mention the folks that leave the Rainbow sitting with the water in it for a week or two....imagine the mold...I have seen it several times.
Not to mention the folks that leave the Rainbow sitting with the water in it for a week or two....imagine the mold...I have seen it several times.
sebo_fan
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This video puts it well regarding air system filters.
However in the other thread on here regarding Dyson Testing, there is an element of truth when testing HEPA filters and how well they are sealed. The video does show a HEPA filter cartridge completely unsealed in so far as escaping dust and they've used orange dye to show this.
I know from my own experience with my Panasonic bagged upright that the HEPA filter installed isn't sealed well and is a rather cheap filter that doesn't appear to do much of a job other than hold back pet hair odour.
However in the other thread on here regarding Dyson Testing, there is an element of truth when testing HEPA filters and how well they are sealed. The video does show a HEPA filter cartridge completely unsealed in so far as escaping dust and they've used orange dye to show this.
I know from my own experience with my Panasonic bagged upright that the HEPA filter installed isn't sealed well and is a rather cheap filter that doesn't appear to do much of a job other than hold back pet hair odour.
eurekaprince
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If you want an upright that can minimize the nasty effects of collecting smelly material like dog hair, you are better off with a fan-first classic upright - Sanitaire, Kirby, Oreck, Royal, Hoover Platinum Lightweight, etc.
With Sanitaire/Eureka's top fill F&G bags, the dust and debris fall AWAY from the airflow to the bottom of the bag, and so you are not constantly sucking air through a pile of smelly dirt as happens with the bag-first configuration. These fan-first uprights are also cheaper in terms of maintenance because you have no pre-motor or post-motor filters to buy.
With Sanitaire/Eureka's top fill F&G bags, the dust and debris fall AWAY from the airflow to the bottom of the bag, and so you are not constantly sucking air through a pile of smelly dirt as happens with the bag-first configuration. These fan-first uprights are also cheaper in terms of maintenance because you have no pre-motor or post-motor filters to buy.
myles_v
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My dad refuses to use anything but those cheap green or blue filters that filter next to nothing, ever since the air conditioning repair man told him that the other filters are too restrictive and can damage the A/C system. He has even convinced a couple in Walmart to not buy the better kind!
My mom on the other hand uses the good filters, after I convinced her that we should use them. It's surprising how filthy they get (I have attached a picture of one of the four filters, this one is almost three months old which means it needs to be replaced soon)! I also use a portable air cleaner in my bedroom.
My mom on the other hand uses the good filters, after I convinced her that we should use them. It's surprising how filthy they get (I have attached a picture of one of the four filters, this one is almost three months old which means it needs to be replaced soon)! I also use a portable air cleaner in my bedroom.
cb123
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This stuff is an excellent curative to just about every evil kind of rotten funk that, that old creeping stink can possible dish out. From runny cat crap to the 404 smells of decomp. Just two tablespoons in your bag and it's guaranteed to kick the raunchiest orders in their panty line. I got this stuff in my Vacuette Electric all the way to my newest Kirby's, and it's like air freshener without the pain and bother of a can.
nycwriter
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As someone who works in network television ...
... I can assure you that never in the history of CNN has a single commercial ever cost $250,000.
You're talking SUPERBOWL rates here ... on NETWORK PRIME TIME television.
Perhaps an entire year's worth of 30-second spots that run three times daily on CNN might cost $250K.
But I certainly get your point.
Ironic that company that keeps manufacturing costs ultra-low, using the cheapest (and likely most toxic) plastic (and ONLY plastic!) and the cheapest labor in the world then turns around and spends millions on advertising said product.
And yet, Kirbys and Aeruses -- that don't skimp on materials or labor -- spend hardly anything on advertising.
It's been my experience throughout life that the best things out there are rarely, if ever, advertised to the masses. Why? Because they don't HAVE to be.
Anybody ever hear of Stickley furniture? I didn't. I was well into my 30s as a high-paid media executive living in Manhattan -- GAY no less -- with what I thought was an impeccable sense of style. It took a friend from LA visiting NYC to drag me to a showroom I never knew existed -- right on Fifth Avenue -- to become acquainted with one of the last remaining high-end AMERICAN furniture companies. And it wasn't a storefront on the street level, either; you had to just go into this nondescript office building, simply tell the security desk "fourth floor", and an elevator whisked you into a world of hand-crafted furniture that I thought had long disappeared from the world. Everything solid oak or cherry. Nothing glued. Not a staple in sight. Craftsmanship I'd seen only in my own father's workshop, but never in a *store* of any kind.
I naively asked one of the senior sales associates why they don't advertise, or at least "get the word out". She looked around and said "My dear, the word IS out. YOU got here, didn't you?"
Her point was, the people who NEED to know about Stickley ... knew about Stickley. The company has been doing just fine for more than 100 years without television commercials, billboards, or sales gimmicks. And what would all that advertising bring, anyway? Foot traffic of people who a) can't tell the difference between handcrafted solid oak and tarted-up particleboard and b) wouldn't pay $5,000 for a desk or bookcase in a million years, even if they COULD afford it.
And so it goes with vacuums. The masses of consumers don't care how well-built that Kirby or Aerus is, and aren't inclined to spend $2,000 on a vacuum anyway. So the advertising would be wasted.
... I can assure you that never in the history of CNN has a single commercial ever cost $250,000.
You're talking SUPERBOWL rates here ... on NETWORK PRIME TIME television.
Perhaps an entire year's worth of 30-second spots that run three times daily on CNN might cost $250K.
But I certainly get your point.
Ironic that company that keeps manufacturing costs ultra-low, using the cheapest (and likely most toxic) plastic (and ONLY plastic!) and the cheapest labor in the world then turns around and spends millions on advertising said product.
And yet, Kirbys and Aeruses -- that don't skimp on materials or labor -- spend hardly anything on advertising.
It's been my experience throughout life that the best things out there are rarely, if ever, advertised to the masses. Why? Because they don't HAVE to be.
Anybody ever hear of Stickley furniture? I didn't. I was well into my 30s as a high-paid media executive living in Manhattan -- GAY no less -- with what I thought was an impeccable sense of style. It took a friend from LA visiting NYC to drag me to a showroom I never knew existed -- right on Fifth Avenue -- to become acquainted with one of the last remaining high-end AMERICAN furniture companies. And it wasn't a storefront on the street level, either; you had to just go into this nondescript office building, simply tell the security desk "fourth floor", and an elevator whisked you into a world of hand-crafted furniture that I thought had long disappeared from the world. Everything solid oak or cherry. Nothing glued. Not a staple in sight. Craftsmanship I'd seen only in my own father's workshop, but never in a *store* of any kind.
I naively asked one of the senior sales associates why they don't advertise, or at least "get the word out". She looked around and said "My dear, the word IS out. YOU got here, didn't you?"
Her point was, the people who NEED to know about Stickley ... knew about Stickley. The company has been doing just fine for more than 100 years without television commercials, billboards, or sales gimmicks. And what would all that advertising bring, anyway? Foot traffic of people who a) can't tell the difference between handcrafted solid oak and tarted-up particleboard and b) wouldn't pay $5,000 for a desk or bookcase in a million years, even if they COULD afford it.
And so it goes with vacuums. The masses of consumers don't care how well-built that Kirby or Aerus is, and aren't inclined to spend $2,000 on a vacuum anyway. So the advertising would be wasted.
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Im not Against bagless
After owning a Bagless vacuum...... i can say i dont have anything against them at all. But emptying them can sometimes be pretty gross .... And since i do have allergies i do try to not expose my self . So i when empty the contents empty them in a paper bag . That i get from the store. As far as the Rainbow goes how much dust doesn't get trapped? . I Think if you truly want to not reshuffle dust , and other stuff . I think the only way to remove indoor dust and etc . Is to buy a Central vacuum system.
After owning a Bagless vacuum...... i can say i dont have anything against them at all. But emptying them can sometimes be pretty gross .... And since i do have allergies i do try to not expose my self . So i when empty the contents empty them in a paper bag . That i get from the store. As far as the Rainbow goes how much dust doesn't get trapped? . I Think if you truly want to not reshuffle dust , and other stuff . I think the only way to remove indoor dust and etc . Is to buy a Central vacuum system.
The only bagless I have is my Rainbow. I've never really noticed any kind of dust blowing from the machine at any given time. I don't really like bagless machines. My mom swears by them. She had a Bissell Power Force Turbo and she really liked it. When dad died and she had all the money from the insurance she bought a Dyson andn loves it. I personally don't care for it and I think it's more dirty emptying those than my Rainbow or changing the bag in my Kirby.
super-sweeper
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If I may add,
There's a Kirby Classic 1-CR sitting in the back-room of a near-by vacuum shop, the bag is BACKED UP to about HALF-FULL in nasty old dog hair- And I can't smell a thing. You'd have to ram your face into the bag to get a whiff, but who on earth would do that? Now, when I RUN the machine, I'll get back to you on that.
-Alex.
There's a Kirby Classic 1-CR sitting in the back-room of a near-by vacuum shop, the bag is BACKED UP to about HALF-FULL in nasty old dog hair- And I can't smell a thing. You'd have to ram your face into the bag to get a whiff, but who on earth would do that? Now, when I RUN the machine, I'll get back to you on that.
-Alex.
electromatik
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Vegassucks you made excellent points. I think Dyson's can be maintained by diligent cleaning on a regular basis of all the bins, seals, and filters but that's a lot more work than a bagged machine. I can't tell you how many videos of vacuum testing I've seen on Youtube that shows 2-3 year old Dyson well-used Dyson machines spewing 680,000 on a particle counter. They filter well for a while after they are bought, but the many bends and seals seem to allow lots of particles to escape as the filters fill up. It's a shame really that they seem to degrade but it's not unique to Dyson. I've seen Hoover's, Eureka's, and Dirt Devil's doing the same thing. I am just not a fan of ANY of the cheaper brands. Some might brand me a vacuum snob but that's ok. I want a machine that keeps the stuff inside it. Rainbow's decades of propaganda about "filth" in the closet has scared people to death but household dirt isn't that "toxic." You live with it from the time you are born till the day you die. Immediately after we emerge from the womb our bodies begin filling with bacteria. We can take showers and clean ourselves and keep it at bay, but we will NEVER have a sterile environment. As long as the stuff is trapped in a bag that I throw away, I'm happy.
