Absolute Rainbow
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How do we test like how you understand though? I know the deep cleaning methods, but I don't know much about crevice cleaning.
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Absolute Rainbow
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So why are people calling the angled front a big issue? Just run parallel and rely on edge cleaning.
Geez, most reviewers aren't that smart.
Absolute Rainbow
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There are several areas in my house where you can't run along a wall. I imagine I'm not alone in this.
Absolute Rainbow
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In that case, that's because said areas are too narrow. Use the crevice or combi.
Some are narrow, but most are just areas under things like desks or beds.
You are right though, I suppose you could crawl around with a crevice tool in those areas. But personally I'd rather just use a vacuum with a straight cleaning head.
Absolute Rainbow
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I don't entirely agree with what @Vacuum Facts now thinks of the typical soft roller. The soft roller isn't redundant - it's designed for the largest piles of large debris.
@Hatsuwr instead of porting the existing soft roller, Dyson have to return to the dual head strat they previously did. That soft roller should now have been the multi-action brush bar like the head of the Vis Nav, designed for all floors like the regular dual-cone head. The redesigned version of the latter should be the brush bar, while the multi-action would take the role of the soft roller. The brush bar can keep the front wall, but the soft roller needs open front so debris can easily be sweeped. And as a bonus there would be straight front and virtually no unswept path and the soft roller can also stay low-profile, ideal for such under-layers like belle beds or tables as you've described.
The fact Dyson merely ported the laser soft roller instead of making sure the V16 works consistently powerfully and cleaning consistency superbly even from out-of-the-box (at least at launch) proves how far Dyson suits has fallen. First, their award-winning customer service and support became utterly trash, and now their newest flagship(s) became inconsistent. Stupid.
Absolute Rainbow
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Everyone, can we agree that cordless V16, crippled out of the box at launch, should be the symbol of Dyson's deteriorating suits?
Absolute Rainbow
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Dang it, I can't edit any post over 24-hour old...
Again, TechRadar messed up their review and testing. They couldn't identify why the V16 was crippled, and out of that they only got the front wall right. But the new head is fine - as @Vacuum Facts noted, the 900W motor consuming only 450W in Boost mode during deep cleaning due to some design mistakes is the real reason why V16 is crippled and has to be modded.
Yes, Gen5 is the safer pick, but it's not that hard to mod the V16 - see https://vacuumland.org/threads/the-hack-that-can-save-pre-release-version-of-dyson-v16.46693/ and get talking.
He hasn't said what the mod is. But there's two problems here.
1. Any mod would void the warranty so that's an instant no go for me.
2. Having to mod a new product to make it work properly is also a no go for me.
That's a giant failure. I don't mind buying old things and jerry rigging but I'm not going to do it for a new product. Especially from a company I once considered at least reputable mostly.
So this vacuum unfortunately appears to be garbage. And that's sad.
1. Any mod would void the warranty so that's an instant no go for me.
2. Having to mod a new product to make it work properly is also a no go for me.
That's a giant failure. I don't mind buying old things and jerry rigging but I'm not going to do it for a new product. Especially from a company I once considered at least reputable mostly.
So this vacuum unfortunately appears to be garbage. And that's sad.
I noticed in one of the TechRadar reviews they mentioned the boost mode having more battery life as a pro. But failed to mention it's only that way because they lowered the performance. Not because of any actual improvements.
In fact the whole 315AW number from Dyson is like false advertising then.
I also noticed Dyson didn't put any seals or anything on the dust compressor system so if you notice dust just collects on the edges and will probably scratch the bin if you don't constantly take the bin off and clean the vacuum. Terrible.
Frankly it doesn't appear to my eyes losing the first stage cyclone was worth this feature. Emptying the bin on the V10-Gen5 is easy and like well over 90% of the contents are expelled when you press it down into the garbage. As long as your garbage isn't full there won't be any real dust clouds either.
In fact the whole 315AW number from Dyson is like false advertising then.
I also noticed Dyson didn't put any seals or anything on the dust compressor system so if you notice dust just collects on the edges and will probably scratch the bin if you don't constantly take the bin off and clean the vacuum. Terrible.
Frankly it doesn't appear to my eyes losing the first stage cyclone was worth this feature. Emptying the bin on the V10-Gen5 is easy and like well over 90% of the contents are expelled when you press it down into the garbage. As long as your garbage isn't full there won't be any real dust clouds either.
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Absolute Rainbow
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@Vacuum Facts doesn't want us to jump to conclusions. Why don't we ask him like I have been occasionally doing? It's not like he'll willing to reveal anything but mythbusting until all major reviewers released their respective (and definitely deemed by him as cookie-cutters not worth it)? Wouldn't it be easier to ask for the mod, so people can be more confident?
@vac14012 it's not like the mod are excruciatingly hard to do. But what the heck?
Are you sure it's misleading?
Dust compression, too!
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It would be much more interesting to hear what you think about the subject rather than what you think Vacuum Facts thinks about the subject.
Absolute Rainbow
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Ok...
1) Dyson V16 is clearly a legendary vacuum held down and crippled by Dyson's suits' newfound stupidity. (The new head isn't to blame, unlike TechRadar's review thinks, but rather it's how the motor works only half in Boost and under 80% power in Auto/Med)
2) I like Dyson machines because they works innovatively. I thank Dyson's R&D for that, but cannot buy any of their machines precisely because they're expensive.
3) https://vacuumland.org/threads/pick-your-poison-main-equivalency.46775/
4) I defended Vacuum Facts because he's much more objective than your average reviewers.
5) Why did people prefer old bagged cords than the advanced cyclonic cordless eventual main-equivalents?
Vacuum Facts
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Hate to say, but the release of the V16 has fallen at a very poor time for me. I'm far too busy now to devote the necessary time to this hobby and it's going to be New Year before I get the time to finish a review. Advantage is it gives me lots of time to fully appreciate it. Disadvantage is I miss the hype train. There is so much to talk about that literally no one has mentioned anywhere, especially about its new technology, and the genuine pros and cons, and what it helped inspire for the future that addresses its current weaknesses.
Absolute Rainbow
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Oh ok. Good luck and bless you!
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https://www.reddit.com/r/dyson/s/mi4oCBpNaJ
Vacuum broken already after a month. Yikes assuming this is real.
Vacuum broken already after a month. Yikes assuming this is real.
Vacuum Facts
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This is as unconvincing as propaganda. These people never show how to reproduce these alleged failures and I can't reproduce it, so god knows what they did to it. As soon as I see someone complain the head doesn't allow them to clean at the front, I know they're lacking IQ to be listened to any further. My machine works perfectly and I am amazed how better it seems to clean than the Gen5 (once corrected) in real-world mess levels. I think whinebots can be safely ignored. There are genuine things to complain about with this machine, but I've not yet seen anyone evidence they understand enough to do so...
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...lt-year-for-dyson-sees-profits-down-nearly-50
Double yikes. They've expanded too much, fired too many good people, and now the products and sales are suffering.
The brands reputation is going downhill fast.
I've had my V15 for over 2 years now and never had any issues with it except for a clogged filter I replaced. (And I'm pretty sure it was my fault). I also enjoy the PencilVac.
But it seems like generally the reception online for their products have gone downhill. I used to think it wasn't necessarily reflected in the real-world but looks like I was incorrect.
They need to stop selling stupid headphones, lamps, shitty air purifiers and fans. And get back to what made them popular to begin with.
They used to have some of the greatest customer service and warranties in the business. Now you call and the person on the other end doesn't seem to have any clue about anything and just reads off a script.
Some of it isn't their fault (I.E: Shitty Tarrif policies and other global economic issues) but a lot of this stuff has been going on way before that. They've gotten way too greedy and instead of being happy making a nice profit they want to make MORE.
Double yikes. They've expanded too much, fired too many good people, and now the products and sales are suffering.
The brands reputation is going downhill fast.
I've had my V15 for over 2 years now and never had any issues with it except for a clogged filter I replaced. (And I'm pretty sure it was my fault). I also enjoy the PencilVac.
But it seems like generally the reception online for their products have gone downhill. I used to think it wasn't necessarily reflected in the real-world but looks like I was incorrect.
They need to stop selling stupid headphones, lamps, shitty air purifiers and fans. And get back to what made them popular to begin with.
They used to have some of the greatest customer service and warranties in the business. Now you call and the person on the other end doesn't seem to have any clue about anything and just reads off a script.
Some of it isn't their fault (I.E: Shitty Tarrif policies and other global economic issues) but a lot of this stuff has been going on way before that. They've gotten way too greedy and instead of being happy making a nice profit they want to make MORE.
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Vacuum Facts
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The evidence for cause and effect is quite weak. The media mislead with the headline that implies profits are down because of their cuts to workforce. Those immune to being misled by the worst in society realise it could easily be interpreted that Dyson saw even bigger losses coming, so had to cut their workforce to minimise them to the levels reported. Of course, no one knows, since data isn't available and kept internal at Dyson. That it "sold 20m products during the year, more than ever before" also says something. Their reduction in revenues are clearly related to economics and currencies. A lot of their other reported costs are seemingly one offs too, such as those associated with restructuring. What I find telling about naysayery was that this line is never mentioned "Dyson also slashed the annual dividend it pays to the family’s holding company". They cut their own financial gain by £500m as well as their workforce. That is not the action of worker exploitative greed alone. And much of that is invested "in agricultural land and farming"—which we benefit from. Another important fact often excluded by propagandists is this "While it makes most of its products overseas, it does most of its research, development and design of products in the UK, at the company’s facility in the town [Malmesbury, Wiltshire]." I'm not seeing much to justify most of the hate. There's no evidence of "The brands reputation is going downhill fast". That statement is contradicted by clear evidence to the contrary.
There are some decisions taken with the V16 I hate, but unlike most, I understand enough to articulate details and reputably justify my position, and will in the review next year after everyone else has finished failing to. But the rest of their internal business dealings don't concern me, so I don't have an opinion, since it doesn't affect me directly.
There are some decisions taken with the V16 I hate, but unlike most, I understand enough to articulate details and reputably justify my position, and will in the review next year after everyone else has finished failing to. But the rest of their internal business dealings don't concern me, so I don't have an opinion, since it doesn't affect me directly.
Vacuum Facts
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Incidentally, this highlights what's behind their wet robot. While most people are crudely crying that it's outsourced and uses other machines, well, this is the reason why. Dyson doesn't like the all-in-ones. They're a jack of all trades and master of none. But they're popular. Their visnav is a good cleaner, unlike everything else. But the wet and dry cleaners don't vacuum well because they don't have the suction. So if you're going to get into a product class you don't like, then might as well just take a base model, cutting the R&D, and add to it to solve problems no one else is tackling, like properly going back over after accurate detection of a stain still being there (not the same thing as someone else recently suggested was done before but actually wasn't after a proper fact check they themselves could have done but didn't...). What these crybabies have never shown is any data about its effectiveness in real-world situations, distinct from contrived pittraps.
Absolute Rainbow
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Which is why I even asked you about, @Vacuum Facts.
I understand you, but I'm not even sure about much besides what's the current result. Also, I didn't even mind about what's forcing Dyson the company to accept all this corner-cutting all so sudden, I just am pissed that Dyson managed to cripple the V16.
For those asking, I cannot own a Dyson because my family doesn't have available money, so all these affect me even less.
Typical wet-and-dry robots hardly have effective mopping either. @Vacuum Facts, I know you're not all that interested in robots, but I bet the Spot+Scrub is positioned by Dyson as their dedicated mopping robot, while their Vis Nav stays the suction cleaner of this robotic portfolio. That's two automatic options in Dyson's lineup.
All the Submarine models are the wet-and-dry and thus are technically all-in-ones, which isn't what Dyson would be willing to do all that much. And sure enough, both the original and the 2.0 version does have flaws and problems, such as leaking liquids and creating ridiculous mess with it when you're taking care of the head. Thankfully the main machines are all mains-equivalent (even the V16 Piston Animal, though that was crippled out of the box currently) engineering feats that cleans better than everything that came before.
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