suckolux
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Some Jeeps did use a Buick 350 and 231
What's your favorite car?
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vacerator
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Yes, Jeep did
use GM engines. I think even a Peugot diesel 4 cylinder in the late 70's, unless it went in the AMC Spirit as an option. Then GM's 60 degree 2.8 litre V6 from it's S series trucks and X cars in the early 80's. GM brought back the Buick 231 90 degree banked V6 in 1975. It became even firing by 1977, and went through several improvement stages before it was discontinued in 2005.
AMC had their own 327 V8, years before Chevrolet. The engineer who designed AMC's first V8 was hired from Kaiser and developed a 288 cubic inch prototype there, but it never saw production. He got the AMC mill into production in 18 moths. It was either 255, or 287 cubic inches. Later bored out to 327, 343, and 390. In 1970, they were updated to tall deck blocks of 304, 360, and 401 c.i.
use GM engines. I think even a Peugot diesel 4 cylinder in the late 70's, unless it went in the AMC Spirit as an option. Then GM's 60 degree 2.8 litre V6 from it's S series trucks and X cars in the early 80's. GM brought back the Buick 231 90 degree banked V6 in 1975. It became even firing by 1977, and went through several improvement stages before it was discontinued in 2005.
AMC had their own 327 V8, years before Chevrolet. The engineer who designed AMC's first V8 was hired from Kaiser and developed a 288 cubic inch prototype there, but it never saw production. He got the AMC mill into production in 18 moths. It was either 255, or 287 cubic inches. Later bored out to 327, 343, and 390. In 1970, they were updated to tall deck blocks of 304, 360, and 401 c.i.
marks_here
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These are my favourite cars the Excalibur Phaeton & the Zimmer Golden Spirit
suckolux
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I think that 327 came out in their Rebel that was very fast in it's day.
real1shep
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I was almost finished rebuilding the Jeep 327 when things went sour with my son. He had a very troubled life, even though we all tried to help him over the yrs. He died this last August at 32 yrs old.
The Jeep was sold shortly after my son lost interest and the new owner had it running around town in about a week. He got a good engine rebuild out of the deal at least. Those were tough 4WD trucks. There's one very much like it in the original move Tremors, that Kevin Bacon drove.
Kevin
The Jeep was sold shortly after my son lost interest and the new owner had it running around town in about a week. He got a good engine rebuild out of the deal at least. Those were tough 4WD trucks. There's one very much like it in the original move Tremors, that Kevin Bacon drove.
Kevin
Well, as we all know,
some have a bigger one than others.
right?
some have a bigger one than others.
right?
AMC 327
I had a 65 Rambler Classic with the 327 four barrel and it was a great engine, My cousin had a 80 something Silverado truck with a 350 and I blew it out of the road with that old Rambler, That Packard above is simply the finest example of why I love the 50s!the Ultramatic was a good transmission, but the electric shift was not so great, A true Packard story, MY Mothers first cousin got married in 1950, He father in law had a almost new Packard convertible they took on their honeymoon...it was standard shift with overdrive, Jan thought it would be interesting to see how fast it would run in first and second with the overdrive engaged.....75 in low and 110 in second!!!!She is 84 and still doesent let any grass grow under the wheels of her Park Avenue!..LOL
I had a 65 Rambler Classic with the 327 four barrel and it was a great engine, My cousin had a 80 something Silverado truck with a 350 and I blew it out of the road with that old Rambler, That Packard above is simply the finest example of why I love the 50s!the Ultramatic was a good transmission, but the electric shift was not so great, A true Packard story, MY Mothers first cousin got married in 1950, He father in law had a almost new Packard convertible they took on their honeymoon...it was standard shift with overdrive, Jan thought it would be interesting to see how fast it would run in first and second with the overdrive engaged.....75 in low and 110 in second!!!!She is 84 and still doesent let any grass grow under the wheels of her Park Avenue!..LOL
suckolux
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I had a Rebel with just the 290 4V and it was pretty quick! Fun car. turned tight!
dartman
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Sorry about your son. The jeep Kevin Bacon drove in Tremors was a M715 military version of the pickup you had with a straight 6 in it. Basically their modernized version of a M37 Dodge but more civilian parts beefed up and modified for military use.
Neighbor years ago when I was a teenager had your exact
Pickup, even had the 327 in it.
There wasn't a straight panel on it and he loved it because he didn't have to be careful with it and more dents just added character.
He had a beautiful F250 high boy all lifted and chromed out he pulled his custom ski boat with some kind of built huge engine in it but it was too pretty and perfect to daily drive, wheel, or hunt in.
That jeep nobody had to worry about and he beat it and got it dirty a lot.
Neighbor years ago when I was a teenager had your exact
Pickup, even had the 327 in it.
There wasn't a straight panel on it and he loved it because he didn't have to be careful with it and more dents just added character.
He had a beautiful F250 high boy all lifted and chromed out he pulled his custom ski boat with some kind of built huge engine in it but it was too pretty and perfect to daily drive, wheel, or hunt in.
That jeep nobody had to worry about and he beat it and got it dirty a lot.
real1shep
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Interesting....
yeah, that's the model that replaced the M37 and had the six with all the engine failures. I saw a LOT of them in the mountains with small V-8's dropped in them. I had the opportunity to buy many of them...but stuck with the M37 and the M43....just made more sense to me not to be immediately looking for a retrofit engine.
I didn't think the one in the movie was the military version. The websites for the movie say it's the J20 Gladiator. And that they bought one runner and two other parts trucks. Said they used the parts trucks to make a whole one again for the second movie, because they couldn't find another complete runner. Apparently they trashed the first one.....
Kevin
yeah, that's the model that replaced the M37 and had the six with all the engine failures. I saw a LOT of them in the mountains with small V-8's dropped in them. I had the opportunity to buy many of them...but stuck with the M37 and the M43....just made more sense to me not to be immediately looking for a retrofit engine.
I didn't think the one in the movie was the military version. The websites for the movie say it's the J20 Gladiator. And that they bought one runner and two other parts trucks. Said they used the parts trucks to make a whole one again for the second movie, because they couldn't find another complete runner. Apparently they trashed the first one.....
Kevin
dartman
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Well, maybe I'm mixing it up with flat liners as they definitely had a 715, OD and all. I think the Tremors one had the bigger tires but now I'll have to watch it again and see if it's just a beefed up pickup version.
The first movie is on my best movies ever list and not just because of that truck, it was just a lot of fun with a good attitude.
The first movie is on my best movies ever list and not just because of that truck, it was just a lot of fun with a good attitude.
real1shep
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I really don't know as I'm a M37/M43 man. The truck in the movie was similar to the one I had with my son, but different somehow...probably just the yrs difference. Without seeing the movie again, the M715 looks much more military, versus the 'civilian' looking movie truck.
Not that you ever find the complete truth on the Internet, but all the links I followed for the movie truck never mentioned the M715.
Now I'll have to go back and look at Flat Liners......forgot completely about the truck in that movie! What's with the younger Bacon and Jeep trucks.....lol
Kevin
Not that you ever find the complete truth on the Internet, but all the links I followed for the movie truck never mentioned the M715.
Now I'll have to go back and look at Flat Liners......forgot completely about the truck in that movie! What's with the younger Bacon and Jeep trucks.....lol
Kevin
vintagevaclover
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That's an easy one for me!
It would either be a Mercedes Benz S-Class or a BMW 7 Series or 5 Series. They drive amazingly, have some of the best build quality, and are beautifully styled. They also have almost every possible option and upgrade available. They also last for a very long time too if well maintained. While do like and appreciate classic cars and the work, time, and money that goes into restoring them such as the ones posted here, I don't think I would want one because I know nothing about them or how to work on them, the only way I know how to fix a car is to take it to the dealership lmao. I also only drive German, I just feel the the quality is better. The USA used to be great at making cars "back in the day" but now, not so so much at all. The newer American cars I've been in just had an overall cheap feeling to them, even the "nice" ones. Let alone there have been several recalls in just the past few years on Ford, Cheverolet, and Chrysler. That's just my feeling on the subject though.
It would either be a Mercedes Benz S-Class or a BMW 7 Series or 5 Series. They drive amazingly, have some of the best build quality, and are beautifully styled. They also have almost every possible option and upgrade available. They also last for a very long time too if well maintained. While do like and appreciate classic cars and the work, time, and money that goes into restoring them such as the ones posted here, I don't think I would want one because I know nothing about them or how to work on them, the only way I know how to fix a car is to take it to the dealership lmao. I also only drive German, I just feel the the quality is better. The USA used to be great at making cars "back in the day" but now, not so so much at all. The newer American cars I've been in just had an overall cheap feeling to them, even the "nice" ones. Let alone there have been several recalls in just the past few years on Ford, Cheverolet, and Chrysler. That's just my feeling on the subject though.
vacerator
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Austin,
those cars do drive very nicely, but I know a few owners of those cars who now drive a Lexus because they had some electrical problems and such. Mercedes especially from the early millennium suffered that.
those cars do drive very nicely, but I know a few owners of those cars who now drive a Lexus because they had some electrical problems and such. Mercedes especially from the early millennium suffered that.
vacerator
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I'd be
a bit biased towards Porsche.
a bit biased towards Porsche.
vintagevaclover
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That can be true!
After all, NO car is absolutely perfect. The electronics in most German cars are VERY complicated. It will usually cost a minimum of $500 or more just for the mechanic to rub his chin and say "Hmmm, now THATS gonna cost you" lmao. My first car was a white 1999 Mercedes-Benz S-550 with a black interior, corded console telephone, and 6 speed manual transmission (only 225 of those in the US at the time!). The only electronic issues I had with it though were the sunroof stopped working and the heated steering wheel stopped heating, both were repaired relatively easily though. The only other problems like that I've had with BMW have been that rear window regulators quit working. Again, it was a simple fix. They drive and handle well enough to make up for small fixes like that in my opinion. The company that has the most electronic issues like that would be Jaguar though, my mom got a new one (I forget the model, but it was a 4-door sedan) back in 2005 and she got rid of it in less than two years because it had so many problems like that, the high price tag is there but the quality is not. Porche is definitely a good company, not exactly the same as Mercedes & BMW though as they make more sports/racing cars than anything else. They are amazing to drive though!
As for Lexus, you can keep those away from me lmao. They may be acceptable when they're brand new but as they get older things fail on them as well and they do not handle as well as they age for some reason. While Japanese cars run for a very long time, it's the motor that keeps running while everything else around it crumbles after a while. I drove a friend's 2003 LS 430 (I think?) and it handled like a bucket of bolts! It literally felt like driving a sofa to me lol, whereas my 7 Series from the same era still handled like it was brand new. The feel of the interior doesn't have the same luxurious feel either, they use a lot more plastic which gets brittle and cracks. Isn't Lexus basically an overpriced Toyota with different logos?
After all, NO car is absolutely perfect. The electronics in most German cars are VERY complicated. It will usually cost a minimum of $500 or more just for the mechanic to rub his chin and say "Hmmm, now THATS gonna cost you" lmao. My first car was a white 1999 Mercedes-Benz S-550 with a black interior, corded console telephone, and 6 speed manual transmission (only 225 of those in the US at the time!). The only electronic issues I had with it though were the sunroof stopped working and the heated steering wheel stopped heating, both were repaired relatively easily though. The only other problems like that I've had with BMW have been that rear window regulators quit working. Again, it was a simple fix. They drive and handle well enough to make up for small fixes like that in my opinion. The company that has the most electronic issues like that would be Jaguar though, my mom got a new one (I forget the model, but it was a 4-door sedan) back in 2005 and she got rid of it in less than two years because it had so many problems like that, the high price tag is there but the quality is not. Porche is definitely a good company, not exactly the same as Mercedes & BMW though as they make more sports/racing cars than anything else. They are amazing to drive though!
As for Lexus, you can keep those away from me lmao. They may be acceptable when they're brand new but as they get older things fail on them as well and they do not handle as well as they age for some reason. While Japanese cars run for a very long time, it's the motor that keeps running while everything else around it crumbles after a while. I drove a friend's 2003 LS 430 (I think?) and it handled like a bucket of bolts! It literally felt like driving a sofa to me lol, whereas my 7 Series from the same era still handled like it was brand new. The feel of the interior doesn't have the same luxurious feel either, they use a lot more plastic which gets brittle and cracks. Isn't Lexus basically an overpriced Toyota with different logos?
vacerator
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Oh, and I wonder about the Maybach 57 and 62 models.
I know every car eventually has problems, but never heard any about Lexus, especially the LS series.
My favorite Benz is the mid 90's S 420, 430, 500 or 600, which is the V-12. they had double door glass glazing, and were super quiet. The S600 had either as standard or optional power door latches, small rear quarter edge markers that rose up like small antennas for backing up, and a power rear sun screen and rear head rests.
Of course, I wouldn't snub a nice E 430 from that era either.
I know every car eventually has problems, but never heard any about Lexus, especially the LS series.
My favorite Benz is the mid 90's S 420, 430, 500 or 600, which is the V-12. they had double door glass glazing, and were super quiet. The S600 had either as standard or optional power door latches, small rear quarter edge markers that rose up like small antennas for backing up, and a power rear sun screen and rear head rests.
Of course, I wouldn't snub a nice E 430 from that era either.
real1shep
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I've been the original owner of a MB 300TE 4Matic wagon for a very long time...'92. The car cost me $63,000 new, so I paid the price of admission for the marque. Today's dollars that would be way over $100,000. W124 and W126 series were the hallmark of Mercedes engineering. Hailed as the 'over-engineered' series, they spared nothing in their manufacture. Other car companies followed/copied their new safety standards and innovations for over a decade after the series. Even today they are expensive to maintain & operate...especially the 4Matics. But the upside is that you can find one for next to nothing. Few drove on the hwy like those E and S class cars....that was the allure. They had real soul. The Lexus and Infinity cars were reversed engineered;the Japanese took the world's best luxury cars apart piece by piece and designed their cars around existing platform & innovations. They can be great cars to drive/own, but they have no soul.
On the downside to that great series...around '92 the Germans introduced a biodegradable upper, lower and ETA wiring harness. This has plagued these cars ever since. The wire insulation virtually disintegrates. My car would have had it, but the 4Matics retained the older engine harnesses and were dropped altogether from the series after '93. All the E class cars that had the bigger, more powerful M104 engine had faulty harnesses along with the V8 400E420 series and the 'muscle' sedan 500E500 cars from '92 on. They didn't produce a good harness again until '98. Other than being eco conscious, you have to wonder what they were thinking. In typical MB fashion they tired to get their customers to foot most of the repair bill. Never a company to acknowledge consumerism...unless you paid for it.
Since the W124, W126 series, MB has been on a steady slope of decline....especially with the affordable C class. The newer cars have an average of 46 onboard computers. They are not cars you can shade tree, their failure rate is high and the bean counters have made sure they don't have the longevity of the older series. Sad story for a once great car marque. The series after the W124, the W210, are OK cars, but nothing like the W124 build quality. They too are affordable now and are still decent cars in my opinion.
Kevin
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On the downside to that great series...around '92 the Germans introduced a biodegradable upper, lower and ETA wiring harness. This has plagued these cars ever since. The wire insulation virtually disintegrates. My car would have had it, but the 4Matics retained the older engine harnesses and were dropped altogether from the series after '93. All the E class cars that had the bigger, more powerful M104 engine had faulty harnesses along with the V8 400E420 series and the 'muscle' sedan 500E500 cars from '92 on. They didn't produce a good harness again until '98. Other than being eco conscious, you have to wonder what they were thinking. In typical MB fashion they tired to get their customers to foot most of the repair bill. Never a company to acknowledge consumerism...unless you paid for it.
Since the W124, W126 series, MB has been on a steady slope of decline....especially with the affordable C class. The newer cars have an average of 46 onboard computers. They are not cars you can shade tree, their failure rate is high and the bean counters have made sure they don't have the longevity of the older series. Sad story for a once great car marque. The series after the W124, the W210, are OK cars, but nothing like the W124 build quality. They too are affordable now and are still decent cars in my opinion.
Kevin
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vintagevaclover
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I have to agree with Real1Shep about Lexus/Infinity
They may be sort of nice to drive when they're new, but they just don't drive as well as they age. The handling just isnt there. I also agree they have no soul, a good friend of mine got rid of his almost new LS saying "this thing is just a Toyota Avalon that they changed the emblems on and raised the price by $20,000" Haha.
But yes, the S Class you are referring to is the one I had and Also my favorite body style too. It was very advanced for the time. The Maybach is also an amazing car as well! The pic is the one I had
They may be sort of nice to drive when they're new, but they just don't drive as well as they age. The handling just isnt there. I also agree they have no soul, a good friend of mine got rid of his almost new LS saying "this thing is just a Toyota Avalon that they changed the emblems on and raised the price by $20,000" Haha.
But yes, the S Class you are referring to is the one I had and Also my favorite body style too. It was very advanced for the time. The Maybach is also an amazing car as well! The pic is the one I had
vacerator
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See I've never been told that
by any Lexus owner, but most I know ate older, and drive much less, and are easier on cars now.
Also, the LS 400, 430, nor 450 have nothing in common with an Avalon. Avalons are upgraded Camry's, built in Kentucky.
The LS is rear drive, and built in Japan as are all other Lexus cars.
You are thinking of the smaller Lexus ES 300.
The GS is also rear drive.
by any Lexus owner, but most I know ate older, and drive much less, and are easier on cars now.
Also, the LS 400, 430, nor 450 have nothing in common with an Avalon. Avalons are upgraded Camry's, built in Kentucky.
The LS is rear drive, and built in Japan as are all other Lexus cars.
You are thinking of the smaller Lexus ES 300.
The GS is also rear drive.
