WHAT WOULD life be like with out bagless vacuum's

[citroenbx]

tell me what you think

p.s you can still buy new hoover junior's

http://polartwintubs.co.uk/Hoover-Junior-Upright-Cleaner

 

[hi-loswitch98]

There would hardly be any vacuums in the Argos Catalogue

 

[Gr8DaneDad]

Those Hoover Juniors aren't new, they are refurbished units. Still great uprights, but not new.

 

[citroenbx]

and would be made much better. Not all clog and fall apart in five min's

like dc41 all made to be thrown away

 

[turbo500]

WELL

A few things to remember.

Vacuums are not the only things to decline in quality quite rapidly over the last few years. I think that the cheapo vacuums would be more reliable than they are now, purely because of the nasty, low efficiency cyclones in so many cheap cleaners that clogs and causes the machine to overheat. But I don't think the quality of vacuums would have been all that better.

I also don't think Hoover would still be ruling the market. There is always going to be a popular brand. Hoover shot themselves in the foot with free flights and ruined the company themselves, forcing them to sell. That had very little to do with the bagless invasion and it happened so early into the bagless years.

So, overall, I think cleaners would be slightly more reliable and higher performing, but I don't think the quality would be all that different to what we have now. Although, personally, I'd be a lot happier

 

[beko1987]

The new hoover Turbopower 8...

 

[hi-loswitch98]

I use to love to be able to look in an Argos Catalogue & you were able to buy a BRANDED Bagged Cylinder for about the £30 mark. Sigh, how times have changed.

I would be happier if I was able to do that still

 

[madabouthoovers]

Well, as long as I can buy Miele and SEBO bagged vacuums, that's all that matters. These two companies want nothing to do with bagless, and never have. They still have plenty of customers. If bagless lovers want to pay good money for Dysons that's up to them. I'm very happy with my Miele's and SEBO's and will not be buying any more bagless machines. I just prefer bagged. Bagless seems to be for the younger generation that have been brought up knowing nothing other than Dyson, and they are quite welcome to Dysons thank you very much.

 

[vintagerepairer]

"Those Hoover Juniors aren't new, they are refurbished units. Still great uprights, but not new."

I think they in fact are. They are not "genuine" Hoover Junior cleaners, rather these were built from brand-new "pattern" parts designed to mimic the original cleaner.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Sorry I stand corrected, it says "re-manufactured" which typically means the handle and the motors are not brand-new, but pretty much else is. As I say, typically so. There were so many variations of these cleaners during the 1990's, ranging from refurbished in almost all used parts, to refurbished with almost all new parts, through to those which used only totally brand-new parts.

 

[MikePdx]

If they would bring those and remanufactured Hoover twin tub washing machines over here, I would be a happy, happy man.

 

[citroenbx]

I may like dc01's but that is because I had toy dc01 and mum and nan had dc01s

but I do like hoover juniors and hoover turbopower 3

and Electrolux contour and turbomasters


p.s I only like 6 dysons

dc04
dc01
dc07
dc08
dc11
dc05

 

[super-sweeper]

Wal-Mart wouldn't have a vacuum isle!

 


If Dyson had never bought out his cyclonic technology in the 1980s, bags would rule the market! It would be lovely, product longevity would rise. They'd still be cheap vacuums, though! But if Dyson had no part in the vacuum market, fan-first cleaners could still be popular.who would be the company to take plastics from quality to beyond cheap?

 

[parwaz786]

Yes, We also still have Numatic Henry's which are fantastic vacuums on the market. People love them, and they are bagged. They are becoming increasingly popular even to this day. The brand is growing, and they have just been sold in the USA.
When people love Henry's so much, and that it is bagged, the public might not think bags are bad at all, especially if they are as cheap as chips and last 6 moths like Henry (very large HEPA-Flo bags. This just goes to show that bags may still be loved by a lot of people

 

[madabouthoovers]

Super-sweeper - I think TTI have a lot to answer for with the cheap throwaway plastivac market, and whether Dyson came about or not, TTI may have ended up being the world leader in modern vacs - how about that for a scary thought? TTI do not do quality. End of. They do quantity for pile em high and sell it cheap stores like Walmart. Many people cant afford Dysons, and dirty fan cleaners were on the way out anyway in the late 80's and early 90's, especially in the UK, when, by the time Dyson came along in 1993, most vacs were clean fan models.


Dyson has changed the face of vacuum cleaners. Like it or not, they are here to stay, and as long as we can still buy bagged vacs, then each customer is catered for. In the USA, you have many more models of bagged upright than we do in the UK, so you are luckier in that respect, but we are still able to get a fair few bagged canisters here, mainly from the German manufacturers.


The only bagged uprights we get now, are the Sebo X and Felix ranges, the Miele S7 range, Kirbys, Orecks, and a few budget brand models from Panasonic, Hoover(UK) and Electrolux/Zanussi, and come September, most of these will flout the new EU rules for power consumption so could be discontinued without a replacement . Otherwise, its pretty much bagless for uprights.


In the USA you have Tacony, which are a great company who brought manufacturing back to the USA, and produce many models of good quality bagged uprights, so support them and keep them in business. We need to keep buying bagged cleaners to prevent the bagless craze wiping them out for good. Once a vac manufacturer gets in trouble - you know the rest - along comes TTI, buys said company out, lays off staff, and transfers all manufacturing to China. Vax was once a UK owned company who produced vacs in the UK. Along came TTI, and off Vax went to China. Vax now produces NO bagged cleaners for the UK market. Dyson produces solely bagless. Hoover UK produce mainly bagless vacs with a couple of models of bagged canister and one model of bagged upright that's now 17 years old in design. Numatic make bagged tub vacs here in the UK, but no uprights.


As I said earlier, the Germans are saving the day for us in Europe, regarding bagged upright cleaners, they are the best we can get, along with Kirby, as pretty much everything else is bagless and made in the Far East, including Dyson.

 

[turbo500]

"TTI have a lot to answer for with the cheap throwaway plastivac market, and whether Dyson came about or not, TTI may have ended up being the world leader in modern vacs"

Finally, something we agree on. Cheapo crappy vacs would have happened with or without Dyson's input, so I don't think we'd be looking at a more quality market without them.

I don't necessarilly agree that product longevity would increase that much either. Whilst it's true that cheap bagged vacs would last longer than cheap bagless vacs, look back over the years - there have always been crap bagged vacs that didn't last very long (Goblin Housemaids, Commanders and Lasers, Regina Housekeepers etc) although not so much in the abundance of unreliable cleaners that we have now.

The move to cheap, chinese made, products (vacuums or otherwise) was slightly inevitable and wouldn've happend with or without Dyson appearing on the market, although in contrast to that, I think Dyson have butchered the top end of the market asking top price for cheaply made machines.

"most of these will flout the new EU rules for power consumption so could be discontinued without a replacement"

I've noticed, Steve, that you're not exactly happy about the new EU legislation, despite it being proven with the new John and Lewis cleaners that there will still be very high performing machines with lower wattage. Not getting into a political debate, but feelings regarding the UK/Europe aside, the introduction of this legislation can only be seen as a good thing for the vacuum market. Perhaps you're letting your views on the current situation with the UK/EU debate cloud your judgement of the vacuum world?

 

[sebo_fan]

I think life would be a lot CLEANER. Both inside the home and with air quality. I also think buyers would have to spend a bit of time thinking about what their vacuum cleaner needs in terms of filtration, IF required. With any luck they might take some time out to maintain their vacuums properly.

 

[suctionselector]

What would life be like without bagless vacuums?

It's as simple as this - a lot cleaner...

 

[dysonman1]

Not so fast

Lest anyone forget, the most low quality, most horrible vacuums ever made were bagged machines. Does no one remember the Regina Housekeeper (in pink). The lowest of the low. Chinese cannot make a vacuum as poor as the American's did with the Regina. How about the terrible Dirt Devil that used type C bags. Horrible. They belched dust worse than any bagless cleaner ever did. One of my least favorite uprights ever, the Eureka Bravo series. They had never ending problems, belched dust, ruined their bearings, broke their fans, and generally lived no more than two years in the hands of the average consumer. Bravos were made in the USA.

Having lived through all of these machines, as an adult, I remember the never ending repairs. I think, based on the fact I've owned my own vac shop and have repaired vacuums for more than 30 years now, the quality of todays low priced cleaners has improved somewhat from 20 years ago.

Bagged vacuums can be just as filthy as bagless (take a look at the trade-in room of any door to door vacuum distributor). It all depends upon how the average person takes care of them.

Virtually no one takes care of their cleaners like collectors do. In that respect, what WE enjoy and think of as a 'good' vacuum is NOT what the general public wants or will buy. It's unfortunate, but true.