What brand of vac, is a true hepa filter.

[sebo_fan]

Whoops, a problem with Bagless!

Out of interest, I did a spot of carpet cleaning yesterday. I'm still waiting for my repaired Bissell washer to return from its repair/service. In the meantime I've resorted to cleaning on the spot stains with Sebo DUO P powder. This stuff is great. Anyway.. there I was going around the carpet putting the powder down, rubbing it in and getting rid of the stains. This is like microfibre power - very small, very grainy. Went to grab the nearest vacuum to hand which was my Vax Mach Air (it now has new filters, since it's been a year and a half since I bought it and the top, original filter is beyond constant washing out).

Vacuuming along quite the thing, all powder removed, all of it visible in the clear bin. Then I discovered a thin line of powder OUTSIDE the bin, clinging to the plastic. So much for being sealed! You may of course experience this with the comparative Hoover Windtunnel Air.

 

[gsheen]

Hi Sebo fan


 


check your bin seal at the bottom, the trouble with the push button release system on most bag less vacuums is that the seal can deteriorate or get damaged when something gets stuck on it and the bin door is closed deforming the rubber. we had some trouble on some dc14 dysons like that. we simply replaced the seal on the bin door and it solved the problem

 

[turbomaster1984]

Quite amusing for the brand that says you wont have to buy extras, from having to buy bin bags to empty it if you want to stay away from the dust, to having to buy filters regardless every year or so and now you have to replace the seal on the dust bin to keep it from spewing out dust. Way to go!!!!

Pass me those H4's .........

 

[gsheen]

on the dyson the bin seals were replaced under guarantee

 

[turbomaster1984]

Guarantee?

and that makes it ok for the customer to have extra hassle arranging a repair that shouldnt of happened in the first place? Yet another basic flaw that should of been sorted long before production took place.

 

[gsheen]

well so far in SA there have been only 5 cases, my 5 year old dc14 has never done it. every machine breaks no matter what make , hoovers , kiry's sebo's rainbows you name it they all have flaws and break. you like turbo masters , so do I my mom had 3 when they were new all of our family members bought them too they were the best selling upright in South Africa in there day and yet they all broke in the same places , the lower back casing and the chasis just behind the left wheel. They had a built in flaw , there motor was to heavy for there back casing and upright switch causing stress fractures whenever you wheeled the machine around on its back wheels. Ever manufacturer has them 

 

[turbomaster1984]

Yes I see your point but then the rules of evolution say we learn from mistakes. Hoover's Turbomaster Freedom Bagless had poor seals and leaked dust terribly. dyson researches? Why didnt they realise a crappy seal will eventually perish and break the dust holding of a cleaner?

Simple Physics here. and its taken Dyson and other makes 20 years to realise this?

Motors and mechanicals will always break but the very seals that keep the dust in for the purpose of the machines use should have been fit for use from the very start.

Hell even washing machine door seals have come a long way since the 70's and 80;s where occasional replacement was needed due to the rubber perishing on hot washes and chemical attack. Now they are usually replaced due to REAL user error from gashes and cuts through pockets not being checked of sharp objects and not heat/chemical breakdown.

 

[gsheen]

Yes I see what you mean too, however , I have only done 5 and 3 of those were due to customer neglagence . Its amazing what people suck up in a vacuum , hell I have even had a LIVE hamster in a Hitachi vacuum hose, customers will suck up broken glass and not empty the bin carfully so a piece will get stuck and damage the seal. 


 


funny thing is I still prefer the old type bins like those found on the dc08/19/29 machines , I have kids and when lego gets sucked up its easier to get it out of those style bins. 

 

[turbomaster1984]

well, I for one find your perception of customer abuse quite unusual.

You should not be sucking up glass? When somone knocks a christmas bauble off the tree and steps on it crushing it into the carpet I for one like the rest of this country would not exactly reach for the dustpan and brush to be sure of removing all of the glass.

Same as dropping a glass, have smashed glasses on my kitchen floor and il be damned if im not using a vac to get it up off the rug. I find that blame on the user null and void, its only common sense that glass will be sucked up by users even particles small enough to go up the hose which would pose a risk of lacerations if picked up with hands.

Still dont understand why the rubber seal is an issue and if cuts are a threat to it then bagless manufacturers ought to go back to the drawing board and design something of use.

 

[gsheen]

If you read it properly you would see I never mentioned that the customer abuse had any thing to do with glass. 


However  whether you have bagged or bagless vacuums (Unless shop vacs) are not designed to pick up glass. 


 


I mean would you suck up large pieces of glass with your turbo master. No you wouldn't as it would damage the fan  and the flexible hose if you used that and it could and likely would rupture the bag.


 


Vacuum cleaners are designed for picking up dust and dirt. 


 


BUT Yes I have sucked up glass with my vacuum but I have the brains to pick up the big pieces with the dustpan first. Unfortunately allot of customers don't.


 


90% of the work we do is customer abuse, I had a machine come in yesterday with a jammed brush roll and the entire under body screws showed sever rust. the brush roll bearings had rusted shut and were full of rust. When I called the customer she admitted that she had spilt wine on the carpet. She had followed an old wives tale of putting salt on the wet carpet and suckin it up with he vacuum. she said the stain disappeared . she was so happy until I handed her the quote for repairing her vorwerk brush roll base plate and the entire brush drive mechanism. It would have been cheaper to call in a carpet cleaner 

 

[turbomaster1984]

Yes I see what you mean too, however , I have only done 5 and 3 of those were due to customer neglagence . Its amazing what people suck up in a vacuum , hell I have even had a LIVE hamster in a Hitachi vacuum hose, customers will suck up broken glass and not empty the bin carfully so a piece will get stuck and damage the seal.

The above staement clearly says to me that at least one of the seals you have replaced has been due to broken glass. Otherwise how could you make a comment like that?

So yes you did mention it.

As for the Turbomaster, go back to my evolution statement. I do use mine to clean up glass and have no issues but thats my choice although yes your right the machine and bag could get damaged.

If Dyson really was advanced as they make out to be then they should be looking at issues to SOLVE issues to real life scenarios. Cleaning up broken glass IS requirement of its use from time to time and my point is BY NOW WE SHOULD HAVE DESIGNS TO ALLOW USERS TO DO SO. WHY IS IT WE DONT? Would you allow your children to crawl across a carpet you had not used a vacuum to clean up broken glass?

I doubt many parents would, so if Dyson is listening to consumers why do their machines not handle such things?

Its not that difficult surely.

 

[gsheen]

Ok you have a point but then why just dyson , why does every one in the forum love to knock  dyson, This is ent to be a forum were people who love vacuums can discuss them , not break down and nock each others favourite machines,  kirby's sell for 4 times more than a dyson and if you listen to there marketing hype is supposed to be the most advanced vacuum in the world and yet if you sucked glass it could damage it just as badly. Any domestic vacuum out there can be damaged by glass


 


The machine that had a damaged bin seal due to glass was a samsung/bissel that we had in here on thursday. I never said it was a dyson 


 


BTW kids walk babies crawl  

 

[turbomaster1984]

My point with taking Dysons as an EXAMPLE is that their marketing claims to outperform anything else so if that is the case why shouldnt they pick up glass after all its a customer requirement?

I will also apply that comment to any other bagless cleaner just to be sure.

Your reading too much into my posts and assuming im here to bash Dysons, im not. Ive had 4 i know exactly what they are like as a brand and how the performance is. I also dont need to make comment on them, I dont have them anymore thus they dont hold much interest to me these days.

Im sorry you dont like my regional dialect and slang, Kids/babies/children/young human beings/bairns/wee ones, all the same to me as im sure S.A. has such terms closely related however not living there or ever visiting i couldnt say. I can assure you we do in the UK.

 

[turbomaster1984]

My point with taking Dysons as an EXAMPLE is that their marketing claims to outperform anything else so if that is the case why shouldnt they pick up glass after all its a customer requirement?


i also forgot to add the following....

and why do the seals on Dysons also leak dust and require replacing as you mention?

its been a long day today sorry for any confusement

 

[gsheen]

Hi Robert 


Sorry if you took that offensivly I in no way intended it to be.


 


any way I do understand what ou are saying. I sell dysons in my shop and use them in my home but by no means think they are faultless. I also wish the rest of the world could get the models the USA gets with there aggresive brush rolls , I have 3 USA models that I have converted to run on 220 v and there cleaning performance leaves the UK and eu models in the dust.


 


On another point my mom also had a moulinex major , and then a hoover turbomaster with a vax inbetween for cleaning carpets 


 


 


 


 

 

[gsheen]

No worrys mate 


 


out of the five we had two machines with deformed seals , one of the hassles we have encountered is that customers will wash the bin out ald leave it with the lid open in the sun, In certain areas, were all five machines came from it can easilly reach 45deg c , the rubber would become soft and deform when the bin was closed causing a faulty seal. This is only a presumtion as we did try and replicate this but could not get the exact results.


 


funny thing is if you look further up this thread you will see a pic of my dc23 that I use for cleaning up after building work here at home. its bin seals tight with no dust residue on the outside of the tank and it really gets abused. 

 

[kenkart]

The Proof!

Is when you dis assemble any vacuum after several years use.....Most of the so called hepa machines as well as many of the bagless machines and most Rainbows will have fans packed with dust, That is what sold me on a Filter Queen, I have taken 30 year old FQs apart , only to find there was NOTHING in the fans..

 

[sebo_fan]

"Vacuum cleaners are designed for picking up dust and di

Yes, they are designed for picking up general dust - but outside that equation, some can also pick up a lot more like paper clips, tacks, small screws, bolts and glass. All of which my Sebo uprights can pick up without breaking the brush rolls and just seems happy enough to take everything up into the bag. My study sees a lot of paper work, from paper shredding which includes the odd paper clips, tacks and plastic clips - all of which gets passed through the shredder without being shredded, and at times when it comes to emptying the bin into a bag, these bits and paper get chucked onto the carpet.

Miele dust bags are similar to SEBO's - strong enough to take a tack or two, or anything reasonably sharp. Infact Miele's videos about the HyClean bag shows its inner layers keeping back sharp objects like tacks/pins.

I checked the seal on the Vax, but it is perfectly sealed - it just seems to be a fact that the powder seems to coat the outside of the bin = perhaps due to the poor concertina dust channel at the side. If I can get my finger wedged to open it, there's nothing stopping the force of suction air pushing powder out - but I'm not too worried. Next time I'll use a bagged vacuum, Bosch, Miele or Sebo to get the powder off.

 

[venson]

@kenkart . . .

It's funny but whenever I think of protection from dust, I first think of the vacuum's motor. I rest easier feeling assured there's minimal chance for dust build up in the cleaner's working parts. For that reason, I too liked Filter Queen.

My peeves were that Health-Mor left off making the cord-reel base and that machine was always a little annoying when you worked with it on stairs.

Though there were very early Rexair Model Bs that had a cloth filter up top, I feel Rexair and Rainbow went on with the 100-percent capture myth because it wasn't easy for a user to have a look at anything beyond their water pan and separator to make them think better of the arrangement of things. Now that the fan exhaust of its modern machines bypasses the armature and brushes and the HEPA for exhaust air has also been adopted, I think Rainbow gives less thought about dust build-up on the fans as it feels the delivery of clean air has been thoroughly achieved.

 

[Sanifan]

Dust on outside...

Could it be possible that the dust on the outside of your vacuum is dust kicked into the air from your vac's exhaust (blowing it off of the floor or a dusty table, for example), and then sticking onto your vac due to static electricity? Just a thought.