What brand of vac, is a true hepa filter.

[turbomaster1984]

Yes I see what you mean too, however , I have only done 5 and 3 of those were due to customer neglagence . Its amazing what people suck up in a vacuum , hell I have even had a LIVE hamster in a Hitachi vacuum hose, customers will suck up broken glass and not empty the bin carfully so a piece will get stuck and damage the seal.

The above staement clearly says to me that at least one of the seals you have replaced has been due to broken glass. Otherwise how could you make a comment like that?

So yes you did mention it.

As for the Turbomaster, go back to my evolution statement. I do use mine to clean up glass and have no issues but thats my choice although yes your right the machine and bag could get damaged.

If Dyson really was advanced as they make out to be then they should be looking at issues to SOLVE issues to real life scenarios. Cleaning up broken glass IS requirement of its use from time to time and my point is BY NOW WE SHOULD HAVE DESIGNS TO ALLOW USERS TO DO SO. WHY IS IT WE DONT? Would you allow your children to crawl across a carpet you had not used a vacuum to clean up broken glass?

I doubt many parents would, so if Dyson is listening to consumers why do their machines not handle such things?

Its not that difficult surely.

 

[gsheen]

Ok you have a point but then why just dyson , why does every one in the forum love to knock  dyson, This is ent to be a forum were people who love vacuums can discuss them , not break down and nock each others favourite machines,  kirby's sell for 4 times more than a dyson and if you listen to there marketing hype is supposed to be the most advanced vacuum in the world and yet if you sucked glass it could damage it just as badly. Any domestic vacuum out there can be damaged by glass


 


The machine that had a damaged bin seal due to glass was a samsung/bissel that we had in here on thursday. I never said it was a dyson 


 


BTW kids walk babies crawl  

 

[turbomaster1984]

My point with taking Dysons as an EXAMPLE is that their marketing claims to outperform anything else so if that is the case why shouldnt they pick up glass after all its a customer requirement?

I will also apply that comment to any other bagless cleaner just to be sure.

Your reading too much into my posts and assuming im here to bash Dysons, im not. Ive had 4 i know exactly what they are like as a brand and how the performance is. I also dont need to make comment on them, I dont have them anymore thus they dont hold much interest to me these days.

Im sorry you dont like my regional dialect and slang, Kids/babies/children/young human beings/bairns/wee ones, all the same to me as im sure S.A. has such terms closely related however not living there or ever visiting i couldnt say. I can assure you we do in the UK.

 

[turbomaster1984]

My point with taking Dysons as an EXAMPLE is that their marketing claims to outperform anything else so if that is the case why shouldnt they pick up glass after all its a customer requirement?


i also forgot to add the following....

and why do the seals on Dysons also leak dust and require replacing as you mention?

its been a long day today sorry for any confusement

 

[gsheen]

Hi Robert 


Sorry if you took that offensivly I in no way intended it to be.


 


any way I do understand what ou are saying. I sell dysons in my shop and use them in my home but by no means think they are faultless. I also wish the rest of the world could get the models the USA gets with there aggresive brush rolls , I have 3 USA models that I have converted to run on 220 v and there cleaning performance leaves the UK and eu models in the dust.


 


On another point my mom also had a moulinex major , and then a hoover turbomaster with a vax inbetween for cleaning carpets 


 


 


 


 

 

[gsheen]

No worrys mate 


 


out of the five we had two machines with deformed seals , one of the hassles we have encountered is that customers will wash the bin out ald leave it with the lid open in the sun, In certain areas, were all five machines came from it can easilly reach 45deg c , the rubber would become soft and deform when the bin was closed causing a faulty seal. This is only a presumtion as we did try and replicate this but could not get the exact results.


 


funny thing is if you look further up this thread you will see a pic of my dc23 that I use for cleaning up after building work here at home. its bin seals tight with no dust residue on the outside of the tank and it really gets abused. 

 

[kenkart]

The Proof!

Is when you dis assemble any vacuum after several years use.....Most of the so called hepa machines as well as many of the bagless machines and most Rainbows will have fans packed with dust, That is what sold me on a Filter Queen, I have taken 30 year old FQs apart , only to find there was NOTHING in the fans..

 

[sebo_fan]

"Vacuum cleaners are designed for picking up dust and di

Yes, they are designed for picking up general dust - but outside that equation, some can also pick up a lot more like paper clips, tacks, small screws, bolts and glass. All of which my Sebo uprights can pick up without breaking the brush rolls and just seems happy enough to take everything up into the bag. My study sees a lot of paper work, from paper shredding which includes the odd paper clips, tacks and plastic clips - all of which gets passed through the shredder without being shredded, and at times when it comes to emptying the bin into a bag, these bits and paper get chucked onto the carpet.

Miele dust bags are similar to SEBO's - strong enough to take a tack or two, or anything reasonably sharp. Infact Miele's videos about the HyClean bag shows its inner layers keeping back sharp objects like tacks/pins.

I checked the seal on the Vax, but it is perfectly sealed - it just seems to be a fact that the powder seems to coat the outside of the bin = perhaps due to the poor concertina dust channel at the side. If I can get my finger wedged to open it, there's nothing stopping the force of suction air pushing powder out - but I'm not too worried. Next time I'll use a bagged vacuum, Bosch, Miele or Sebo to get the powder off.

 

[venson]

@kenkart . . .

It's funny but whenever I think of protection from dust, I first think of the vacuum's motor. I rest easier feeling assured there's minimal chance for dust build up in the cleaner's working parts. For that reason, I too liked Filter Queen.

My peeves were that Health-Mor left off making the cord-reel base and that machine was always a little annoying when you worked with it on stairs.

Though there were very early Rexair Model Bs that had a cloth filter up top, I feel Rexair and Rainbow went on with the 100-percent capture myth because it wasn't easy for a user to have a look at anything beyond their water pan and separator to make them think better of the arrangement of things. Now that the fan exhaust of its modern machines bypasses the armature and brushes and the HEPA for exhaust air has also been adopted, I think Rainbow gives less thought about dust build-up on the fans as it feels the delivery of clean air has been thoroughly achieved.

 

[Sanifan]

Dust on outside...

Could it be possible that the dust on the outside of your vacuum is dust kicked into the air from your vac's exhaust (blowing it off of the floor or a dusty table, for example), and then sticking onto your vac due to static electricity? Just a thought.

 

[gsheen]

sanifan


 


I also thought of that, I have a customer /friend who uses dc07 dysons in his dry carpet cleaning business. Due top the dust spinning around in the container it can create some static and cause some brands of  powder that is airborn to cling to the outside of the container.


 


Earlier sebo's the brown ones built up static on there cleaner heads so when you did dry carpetcleaning  the entire head would be covered in powered

 

[twocvbloke]

I think that to finish this thread with a modicum of research is, no domestic vacuum cleaner is "True HEPA" (and that term is actually used on some brands, which is actually a very vague term), looking up the specifications for HEPA filtration, you find that there are several different grades of official HEPA filtration, and the original specification was to trap airborne radioactive contaminants in the 1940s...

Even this simple Wikipedia page shows enough information about HEPA specifications (check out the References and External Links for full details):



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEPA

 

[trebor]

Interesting...

twocvbloke...your link showed EIGHT levels of HEPA filtration, mine showed FIVE.

The truth of the matter is that 95% or better filtration efficiency or better at 2.5 microns is going to be sufficient for the vast majority of allergy sufferers. A human hair is 100 microns or larger. Mold and pollen start at 1/40 that size. Every time an air handling system kicks on, a door or window is opened, or one ventures outside, more particles are encountered than can be filtered by a vacuum cleaner. A vacuum cleaner is not an air filter. It moves limited volumes of air at high velocity for the purpose of dirt removal, totally different from moving huge volumes of air at low velocity for filtration. No one has yet tried to market a true air purifier with attachments as a vacuum cleaner, (or home sanitation system) so why the reverse? Because people do not stop to think about what they are being told.

A 15 x 20 room with an 8 foot ceiling contains 2400 cubic feet of air. At a rate of 80 cu ft/min, it will take any device 30 min to process all the air in the room, provided all the air is processed, and processed only once. In reality, that does not happen. The air under the couch is likely not moved much from its place behind the fabric skirting. That air likely contains some of the highest concentrations of dust and allergens anywhere in the house. The air sliding down the wall and drifting under the couch drops particles and they cling to the carpet and the underside of the couch.

A high-filtration vacuum can be of great benefit to allergy sufferers, but the benefit comes from a thorough 'corrective' cleaning. while not spewing a ton of allergens and pollutants out the exhaust. An air purifier can help, too, but it cannot cleanse the environment of the buildup of allergenic debris.

HEPA has been used as a marketing ploy. Once filtration is 95% effective down to 2.5 microns, only the most severely allergic can tell the difference between that level of filtration and true HEPA.[this post was last edited: 3/26/2012-13:32]

 

[blakaeg]

Gsheen,

I am impressed everytime with Dysons warranty and they make no fuss with sending out parts.

Their latest machines are very durable, seems they have rectified issues with the previous ones. My Dyson DC24 is 2 years old and has been great. Its wand broke and would not stay in. Called Dyson and they sent out a replacement straight away. There are no extra costs with filters or bags.

SEBO Fan,

The Sebo Felix is the only one I like out of the whole Sebo range but it has always been very good on the carpet and the suction seems to stay constant. Have you ever seen the HEPA box for the X range? The bags are 4 layer instead of 3 but it seems Sebo favours their S Class filtration over the HEPA which is why the HEPA box isn't available to buy online.

 

[gsheen]

Blakaeg


 


I am trully impressed with the new range of dysons. I own the company that is responsible for carrying out all the guarantee and authorised service center for SA. I am a consulting engineer fro the company that holds the license to sell dysons here. as such I get my hands on all the new models long before they are launched here to make check whether they will suit our market. I am so impressed with the dc37 /39 animal. I am not a cylinder person but am really impressed with this unit. They took a dc23 and fixed all the flaws and made it better. 


 


The new dc40/42 is much easier to use than a dc25 . and the dc35 is my favorite handheld/stick vacuum.


 


As for the felix Its really nice to see sebo actually bring out a new model, ( there engineering department must be a very boring place to work with a new model every 15 years kind of like Porsche  ) Its the best Sebo I have ever used and far better than anything else they offer. Its proving very popular with the hotels too now if they would just get there pricing right in SA  

 

[sebo_fan]

gsheen et al

You seem to think that Sebo are a mass company who produce everything like Miele, Bosch and loads of others.

As you will know, Sebo are a private company and only produce vacuum cleaners and their associated cleaning products and accessories. No wonder it takes a long time to get a model to market and I think in most ways, their X series and likewise commercial uprights have kept them in business, worldwide along with the cleaning company models like Jeyes, Windsor and Ensign who have used all of Sebo's uprights. I think at one point Windsor also had a Felix based "Axxcess" model which has either retired or only available as an exclusive from some U.S sellers. I don't think the Felix would have been such a success without the canister/cylinder range components behind it.

Sebo however are in a lucky position - I guess, along with Vorwerk who produce "only" vacuums. To be able to remain privately owned and only producing one type of product that is built to a fantastic standard with excellent reliability.

Blakaeg - the synthetic dust bags for the X series are not available to buy because they are proving to be expensive to sell. No reason for Sebo's preference to S-Class filtration - just a matter of cost - and on the basis that the normal paper bags sell in either 7 or 10, Sebo worked out they'd sell 4 or 5 for the same cost price and I don't think Sebo won't to muscle in on Miele territory selling 4 bags are comparative prices - Sebo has always been cheaper where their dust bags are concerned - in the UK at least - and to the best of my consumer knowledge.

 

[blackheart]

Windsor "Felix"

When i was doing facilities work in the work-study program we had rebadged Felixs called the Flexamatic i preferred the versamatics though

 

[gsheen]

Sebo fan


 


i know allot about sebo I used to work for them. I prefer compny's like sebo, vorwerk, Kirby, rainbow, dyson , who's mainly make vacuum cleaners. It means they are consentrating on just that. The problem I had with sebo's was that because there model design was so old they could easily be out cleaned by a vacuum costing half there price but with the felix they cought up.


 


the best cleaning clean air vacuums will always be a canister with a pn however they are awkward to use. the next best thing is to use a upright that is designed with the suction power of a canister and the pn.  


 


 

 

[blakaeg]

Sebo Fan

The HEPA box doesn't have Synthetic bags. They called them 'Ultra Bags' but the material isn't like the bags on the Felix, D and K machines. Sebo UK have them available.

 

[Sanifan]

Felix...

One thing about the Felix that surprised me was it's mild and gentle manner. It's so easy to push and steer and so mild mannered and quiet, I was assuming it could not be cleaning that well. It's actually quite good and everyone seems to agree that it does a fantastic job.

Speaking of the filtration, does everyone change the wrap around filter as often as Sebo recommends? They are quite pricey.

 

[sebo_fan]

blakaeg - if you could supply a photo of these bags, then I'd know what you're referring to - I've a feeling the HEPA bag may be white paper based, like the older K series dust bags? I have a sample synthetic bag to which I'm referring to - same material as the newer electret filtrete on the K, D and Felix models - sorry for the confusion.

When it comes to general cleaning with my Felix, I don't tend to raise the power. I find it picks up with just the low setting. The PN makes all the difference. I've tried my deluxe kombi tool with the Felix, still swerves around corners, but it can be an effort to push.

I've only ever replaced my Felix wrap around once since I got mine 5 yrs ago. A lot of owners I know just don't bother replacing them - they do seem to last a rather long time.

 

[sebo_fan]

gsheen - they're not concentrating on anything other than vacuums - Sebo was set up by two engineers to produce a better vacuum cleaner for the commercial market.

I had forgotten about the "Flexamatic" model name. My cousin in NYC was impressed with the Felix when she visited me and I had recommended the Felix at a time when Sebo U.S didn't have them yet. She went around looking for the Axxcess and finally got one. Slightly different by colour and she found one with a variable suction slider on the handle, so she's very happy with it.

 

[joshdonnell]

Miele

My miele bags never leaked. Idk what yall pick up in them but mines hasnt done that

 

[gsheen]

Sebo fan 


sebo makes  carpetcleaners & carpetcleaning chemicals. Eureka only makes vacuum cleaners too you know 

 

[sebo_fan]

gsheen

If you had referred to my previous post, I did note that Sebo make "associated cleaning products and accessories," and I take it you're referring to Sebo Duo P powder, the DuoP machine and the new polisher head for the Felix/Dart? Anything else with a Sebo name on it (some sellers worldwide have a round tub canister that has been licensed TO Sebo for selling alongside their main ranges of commercial uprights.)

Also, Eureka are no longer a proper brand - they are owned by Electrolux - therefore the home company spin out other appliances as do AEG in the UK, Zanussi (who never before had vacuums until Electrolux started to rebrand old models.)

John Lewis appliances are also sold "mostly" from Electrolux bar their floorcare with a few exceptions - the last John Lewis upright vacuum was based on the Electrolux Highlight bagged upright, and their cylinder/canister based on a Bosch vacuum.

 

[floor-a-matic]

True HEPA filtration

TriStar/Compact (w/HEPA motor filter)
Filter Queen

Or U can go for a Vacuflo or central vac

Don't go for a Dyson! I wouldn't touch another one ever again; that's why I no longer own the dc23s, although the dc23 TurbineHead is the best Dyson vac.

 

[sebo_fan]

Have a look at this video I just found. It's quite old but shows a Dyson versus our 3 in 1 British Numatic George (brother of Henry) with an air driven turbo brush. I'd have thought the Dyson would have won - but the crucial point is that as the poster does point out, the airo brush leaves a darker side of carpet to the Dyson's. It's a good video on the basis that the bagless upright is going against a bagged machine, canister no less with an air driven turbo brush that most people discount on its use.

Compared to Dyson, Numatic's machines have excellent sealed suction. This is due to the canister's design as well as the rubberised end on the dust channel and the bags themselves.