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Scott..
Yes the large nozzle was an extra item and the brush to go with it. The instruction manual has it as an option for carpeting "too delicate for the revolving brush." And yes the brush strip was attached for bare floors.
 
Tom ...

Hi,

Yes, I treasture that 561. I don't think the owner EVER used it. The attachments were never removed from the box, you could tell.

The Model 1-C Kirby was on the market, I believe, between 1935 and 1937. There seems to be some question as to exactly when the models changed. It seems that the Model R and the Model C were run concurrently. The Model R appears to have been sold in retail stores [mostly vac shops]; the Model C appears to have been the one sold DTD -- hence, "C" for commission.

When I was a youngster in the mid 1950s, there was a vac shop in the neighborhood that specialized in Kirbys. It was "Steve's Sweeper Service." Three of my aunts bought Kirby's from Steve -- two new [517s] and one rebuilt [I think a 505]. They sold a lot of rebuilt Kirbys then. I remember when we would drive by Steve's he would have many of his rebuilts on the front sidewalk area and I would always hope we'd get a red light so we would stop and I could see which ones were out on that day.

Memories!

Bruce Cinquegrani
Memphis
 
to FRED re Spa Makeover and to FR BRUCE re Rebuilds

Fred, couldn't you just remove all the trim from the machine and send it to Cleveland, then replace it when you get it back? Or, maybe if you sent it with instructions in really big, bold type, to replace the original trim after polishing you'd get it back with the original trim replaced?! Either way, I certainly would not send them the original bag or cord!

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Then to Fr. Bruce, when you saw rebuilt Kirbys, especially the really early ones, were they done up in red and gray? I ask this because I have often wondered if maybe my Aunt's Kirby wasn't an earlier model that had been rebuilt and maybe even had a more modern handle put on it.

I say this because some details of what I remember about it point to a very early machine, such as the C2. I could 'swear' that the rear of the machine had slots on the sides of the motor housing for ventilation (not on the top of the axle like the later 500 series), and that the rear axle curved deeply concave (downwardly) -- again, like the C2 axle instead of convex (outwardly) the way the early 500 series did to some degree and then more dramatically with the later 500 series. See photo of a C2 to see what I mean.

On the other hand, the reason I have also thought it may have been a 514 or 515 is because I clearly recall it had a speckled bag with the long pointy logo on it, and a red handle and bumper trim. But again, these could have been utilized on a rebuilt machine.

I do also recall that it had gray attachments, a gray woven hose, and had a gray cord with the large round motor (female) plug. It also SEEMS that it had the ribbed long metal section of handle -- whenever I think of her Kirby I picture it with that handle, but since the ribbed section did not come out until the 517 or 518, that may just be faulty memory on my part.

Part of the difficulty in remembering all the details with exact precision is that the last time I would have seen it would have been, at the latest, 1962; and we only lived near our Aunt for about three years -- we moved to that part of Virginia in the summer of 1958 and moved away in the fall of 1962.

And although we did live close to her and I was over there a lot, I only remember seeing her Kirby a handful of times. It wasn't like she was running it every time we went over there -- and a good thing, because when she WAS using it I wouldn't even go inside the house! I'd stay outside on the front porch, watching her use it from the safety of the other side of the screen door!

When she would babysit me and want to keep me outside and out of her hair, she would get the Kirby out of the front closet and set on the front "stoop" where I would keep a safe but fascinated distance from it!!

My uncle was kind of a mean man in a way, or I should say, had a prankster streak in him, and my Mom has told me he used to chase me around the house with the Kirby -- running after me with it saying he was going to sweep me up in it! Of course that did a lot to allay my fear of it!!! Funny thing is, I do not remember that at all. Guess I blocked it out!!!

"Ah, sweet memories......."

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Heh, Charles..cruel uncle ;) and its not like Kirbys (as much as I love them) are the friendliest looking machines lol

Ian
 
Kirby Rebuilds...

Yes, Charles-Richard, they were in fact all done up in Red and Gray! And that was the only color Kirby I had ever seen until my teenage years. It was at least 1965 or so when I first saw a black trimmed Kirby -- our neighbor's 505. We had lived next to them for years but I NEVER had seen Mrs. Smith vacuum. I wasn't over there a lot because they were older and their kids were all grown.

But one day my mother sent me over there for something..and at the foot of the steps was her Kirby 505 with black trim, black bag with that big orange logo and the darker attachments all set out ready for her to clean with. How I wanted to examine every bit of that machine..but no! I had to be polite and not even notice the vacuum was there.

Anyway..the rebuilts were all in Red and Gray and had the new gray bags on them with the speckles and the Red and Gray trim. I can't remember about the concave rear wheels. On the other hand, some of them did have the older, black attachments; others had the gray ones.

Memories indeed!

Fr. Bruce
 
Fred...

How awful that those boxes were ruined! Hope you can get the 561 restored soon. Your other Kirby's are really beautiful machines!

But what is it with the Kirby rebuild program? How did you get them to restore your Dual 80 in such perfect condition?

In any case, I would make sure you keep the trim original. There is nothing like those late 500 red/gray/silver machines..nothing like them at all!

How I wish I had the time, skill, workspace, and equipment to do these restorations myself. I would find it fascinating. I have always admired the work that Charles-Richard has done on his. After reading the process involved in just buffing the metal...it seems like it would be way over the top for me.

Take care,
Bruce
 
'' ... at the foot of the steps was her Kirby 505...

... with black trim, black bag with that big orange logo and the darker attachments all set out ready for her to clean with. How I wanted to examine every bit of that machine..but no! I had to be polite and not even notice the vacuum was there...."

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WHAT a great story Fr Bruce! And I am not sure I would have had anywhere nearly that kind of restraint! In fact, I am sure I would not! I would have totally forgotten the true purpose of my visit and would have immediately become entranced with the Kirby, asking the lady if I could run it for her. If she said yes, then several hours later I would just be turning it off for the last time and lovingly storing it for her!!
 
I am not sure but isnt it.....

Father Bruce, I see in your 561 picture is the owners book. I am porbably wrong but wasn't that the replacement book? I have an original for it, and I might have an extra one if you would like one. Yes, of course that maybe the book you got with it, I was just wondering.

Were there two books for the same model?

Charles Richard, please help me on this one.

That is what I was told several years ago. Please do not get me wrong the book is very good but and it has the same instructions. I do not have my books infront of me at the moment but I will look the next time.


Fred I might also have some original boxes do you still need some for your 561?

David
 
561 manual

is the one depicted, and it was the same for the 560 as well. When the 560 came out it had a number of small aesthetic change and a slightly revamped instruction manual with a new cover. Contents were, as per Kirby, still pretty much the same.

Anyone ever noticed that on the "early-late" 500 series, e.g., the 516, 517 and maybe the 518, when you push the power switch the motor would not engage until you release the switch! Ditto for turning it off. You would press the button but the motor would not stop running until you left off the switch.

I always thought that was kinda neat but it apparently threw some people off because somewhere along the way, but before the 560, the switch was changed so that the power would come on as soon as you drepressed the switch, and ditto for turning it off.

Talking about this has just jostled loose yet another early Kirby memory! I have talked in the past about the large Baptist church where my mother was the organist, and how they had THREE Kirbys -- either 516s, 517s or 518s, I am not sure which now but I do recall they had the round red belt lifters.

The custodian's closet was a large room, the furthest end of which was under a stairwell. He kept the Kirbys lined up in a row in that sloping back corner with the handles tilted down at an angle.

Anyway, I suddenly had a vivid impression of the custodian standing on the carpeted aisle of the church getting ready to vacuum and him looking at me as he pressed the switch with his toe and making, you know, a sort of grand pause before releasing the switch by removing his toe and letting the machine start up!! I had TOTALLY forgotten about that until just now.

The custodian was kind of my pal. He was an older Black man, well probably in his 60s [not so "older" to me anymore, haha]; he was very tall and slim with gray hair. I'd always go run and "play" with him while my mama was practicing the organ. I remember one time him taking me into the sanctuary and showing me how he had buffed the hard tile floor under the pews. It was very shiny and beautiful.

I wonder how many other old memories are lodged in bad sectors on my internal hard drive!!
 
Another question....I hope you all do not mind.

Thank you Charles-Richard for clearing me up on the 560 book, you are a sweet and wonderful man.

I know this may be something I have not been clear on and would appreciate some help.

Our Kirby dealer here who has been selling Kirbys since 1950 and his father before him also sold them told me, that the 512, 513 had the first silver push-button switch, rather than the togle up and down one. These are usually the models you had seen them on. Clay F. introduced me to this Kirby dealer many years ago.

I have also been told that those were replacement switches, but I have actually seen them on a machine in a ownners manual book. There is only one picture of it inside the book but I do have the book.

I am wondering which is it? There has porbably been a debate on this one before. Sorry to bring up old topics..

Thank you,
David
 
I like my Tradition it’s probably my all time favorite, the blue color is the most regal looking of the bunch in my opinion. I’m also partial to the dual 80 and my Heritage 84 as well
 
Kirby switches

The switches from the very first Kirbys (other than the R series) including the very earliest Scott & Fezter Sanitation Systems and Vacuette Electrics all had the same switch -- a small metal toggle switch on the SIDE of the cord socket. You pressed the switch down to turn the motor on and push it up to turn it off.

This switch was changed on the 513. So your Kirby guy was close but off by one model. The 512 still had the toggle switch, and also still had all gray trim and the older style bag with the Kirby name in the ornate cursive logo and parallel stripes up and down the front of the bag.

The 513 was the first model to have what Kirby termed the "push-push" switch. It also had red rug nozzle trim and red houselight trim. It had a newly designed bag (see link) and a higher-speed motor.

I thought for many years that the 513 was also the first machine to have a red handle grip, the same shape as the earlier handle grips but now red. Clay Floyd has maintained that this is not the case, that the 513 still had a gray handle and the first red handle appeared on the 514 when the swivel cord release hook was introduced.

I am not entirely sure I am convinced of this yet, as I have seen so many 513s over the years with the red handle grip I described. (You can see photos of original and replacement grips on the 2nd page of my Kirby history site), but for now I'll defer to his knowledge since I am not 100% sure of this, basing what I say only on the numerous 513s I've seen. Anyone else want to weigh in on this topic? Fr Bruce??

One concession I have to give Clay is that he is old enough to remember when the 513 came out, and I am not ... hahaha! :)

Anyway, I =am= sure about the switch -- it was changed when the higher-power motor was introduced. (n.b. there is a difference in sound between the 513-515 and the earlier 500 series, and the 505 sounds different from all of them. I believe the 505 has the same motor as the C/R series, and that a different motor was introduced with the 508 [there was no 506 or 507]. Only stating this based on the fact that my 508 does not sound the same as my 505, but my 505 does sound like my Model C and 2C.

There were other little differences between the 512 and 513 also. Slight design details.



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picture of toggle switch?

If someone could please post a picture of an early Kirby with the toggle switch, I would really appreicate that. Switches are one of my favorite things, and I've never seen anyhing but the push button switch on Kirbys. Thanks!
 
picture of toggle switch?

If someone could please post a picture of an early Kirby with the toggle switch, I would really appreicate that. Switches are one of my favorite things, and I've never seen anyhing but the push button switch on Kirbys. Thanks!
 
Ask, and ye shall receive...

These are of the 512, but again, you will find the same switch on all the Kirbys from the very first Scott & Fetzer and Vacuette Electric up through the 512.

n.b. the early Health-Mor upright (straight suction only) had a very similar switch, except that the switch was a large slider on top of the switch housing!

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