sebo_fan
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Give it a bolt and you'll find out how durable it is.
Vorwerk KOBOLD VK150 - My new toy!
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sptyks
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Sebo_fan, you must be thinking of the older Lexan fans witch tended to get brittle after a few years and would sometimes develop cracks over time. When hit by a large object, they would break apart.
Actually, Kirby conducted a demonstation of the Amodel fan several years ago. They sucked up a bowl full of nuts bolts marbles and pebbles a few at a time. After opening the fancase, the fan was found to be fully serviceable with only a few nicks in it.
The Amodel fan was developed with the aid of NASA and is 3 times stronger than Kevlar. NASA used Amodel in the construction of the Space Shuttle. It has not only the properties of Kevlar, but also the properties of hard rubber so it can absorb the shock of a large object such as a bolt or a pebble and bounce back into shape. This makes it more durable than metal fans which may be harder but more brittle.
Actually, Kirby conducted a demonstation of the Amodel fan several years ago. They sucked up a bowl full of nuts bolts marbles and pebbles a few at a time. After opening the fancase, the fan was found to be fully serviceable with only a few nicks in it.
The Amodel fan was developed with the aid of NASA and is 3 times stronger than Kevlar. NASA used Amodel in the construction of the Space Shuttle. It has not only the properties of Kevlar, but also the properties of hard rubber so it can absorb the shock of a large object such as a bolt or a pebble and bounce back into shape. This makes it more durable than metal fans which may be harder but more brittle.
marcusprit
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Ah so you have admitted plastic can be strong
sptyks
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I have known that ever since I developed an interest in Kirby vacuums a few years ago.
madaboutsebo
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I've probably taken a personal risk as to how long the VK150 will last but I've got a 5 year gaurantee as well for some peace of mind. The brand seems a good strong company still family owned and the products mainly previous Vorwerk products have lasted well and all of their products seems to be made of great quality. I love it as it is so lite to use and lift. To give you some idea the main unit without anything connected is 3.00kg and with the carpet power head attached 4.60kg in total. One of the new Dyson V6 cordless stick vacuum is 2.7kg. So that gives you an idea of how lite it is which is a pleasure to use.
You could look at it from a different angle the Kobold accounts for quite a large proportion of sales for the Vorwerk company world wide (detailed on the main German website) so if they get this product wrong sales would drop world wide and brand image and confidence in the brand would be lost. So you can look at it from that prospective but as the VK150 isn't that old who knows how long it could last....going on previous products hopefully a long time.
One thing the demo units are the same units as what a customer who buys one gets. I don't mean you get the demo kit if you buy one just there is no difference. The demo kits get some use from all the demos they carry out of the full system. So from that angle they seem to be very robust and reliable in that sense.
You could look at it from a different angle the Kobold accounts for quite a large proportion of sales for the Vorwerk company world wide (detailed on the main German website) so if they get this product wrong sales would drop world wide and brand image and confidence in the brand would be lost. So you can look at it from that prospective but as the VK150 isn't that old who knows how long it could last....going on previous products hopefully a long time.
One thing the demo units are the same units as what a customer who buys one gets. I don't mean you get the demo kit if you buy one just there is no difference. The demo kits get some use from all the demos they carry out of the full system. So from that angle they seem to be very robust and reliable in that sense.
sptyks
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Jon, your VK150 is a very good looking machine and I'm sure it incorporates the latest technology. I hope that it lasts you a long time of trouble free use.
madaboutsebo
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Thank you sptyks very kind of you. I do hope so.
Thank you to everyone that has posted on this thread so far enjoyed reading all the comments both vacuum and ABBA related.
I will get some more pictures on here of the full kit etc....and make some videos of the machine, we'll have a go at some. Won't be anywhere near as good as sensotronic vacuum videos but hopefully will show the VK150 in use!
Thank you to everyone that has posted on this thread so far enjoyed reading all the comments both vacuum and ABBA related.
I will get some more pictures on here of the full kit etc....and make some videos of the machine, we'll have a go at some. Won't be anywhere near as good as sensotronic vacuum videos but hopefully will show the VK150 in use!
madaboutsebo
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Here is a picture of the first bag that came in the vacuum cleaner that I have recently changed:
sptyks
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I'm looking forward to watching that video.
madaboutsebo
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Another view so you can see the bag collar with the trap door. To the left of the trap door is where you clip the fragrance chip into. There wasn't one provided with this bag. I have a pack of 6 fragrance chips that came with the kit which go with the box of 6 bags. I've just use one on the new bag I fitted nice subtle fresh fragrance as you vacuum.
madaboutsebo
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Thank you, they will be done with my camera on my phone so that will be interesting!
kirbysthebest
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Bottom fill bags
I have Miele Quick Step with a bottom fill bag. The bag has chambers inside that help direct the material in the bag away from the intake so that it fills completely with very little loss in suction.
So a well designed bottom fill is not that bad, and it does shorten the air path,.
I have Miele Quick Step with a bottom fill bag. The bag has chambers inside that help direct the material in the bag away from the intake so that it fills completely with very little loss in suction.
So a well designed bottom fill is not that bad, and it does shorten the air path,.
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Yeah but they should upgrade to the latest hyclean bags
madaboutsebo
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I've had a quick look in one of the Vorwerk bags as I wondered what was rattling around inside the bag. It was the charcoal chips. I didn't see any chambers I will have to take another look.
Any blockages the Kobold may have will be mainly in the heads attached or the hose as that is the main air path. Makes it easy to remove any blockages.
Any blockages the Kobold may have will be mainly in the heads attached or the hose as that is the main air path. Makes it easy to remove any blockages.
sebo_fan
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Dont worry about matching Sensotronic's videos -his videos are the creme de la creme of video reviewing.
For the rest of us, a video review from any collector is usually worth watching. Let us know when you make your video and upload it. I will look forward to it once it is done.
For the rest of us, a video review from any collector is usually worth watching. Let us know when you make your video and upload it. I will look forward to it once it is done.
madaboutsebo
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Thank you nice of you to say sebo_fan, they certainly are.
I will let you know when I have made some videos and then upload them.
I will let you know when I have made some videos and then upload them.
Amodel fan-something very interesting in the user manual for the Kirby Avalir--"Do not use the blower mode with the inflator tool for more than 60 seconds at a time-the fan may be damaged from overheating"Never seen this warning before in previous Kirby instruction books of models using the similar fans.At the vac place here Kirbys come in bunches needing new fans from breakage or erosion.The dirt tracked in here is sort of sandy-its murder on any sort of plastic fan.Sanitaires are another frequent victim.The fans get broken from anything from pennies to Barbie shoes!And another funky thing-lots of Royal uprights have been sold and used here-haven't seen a single ONE coming in to the shop for fan replacement!The Royal fans appeear to hold up MUCH better than Kirby or Sanitaire fans.
sptyks
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Rex, Yes it is true. The Amodel fans are subject to soften and warp if the temperature inside the fan case exceed 536 degrees Fahrenheit. Actually the Avalir manual is erring on the conservative side. It will actually take close to 5 minutes of using the inflator tool before the temp reaches over 536 degrees. Most inflatable toy air mattresses will inflate in less than 60 seconds. The much larger double size non toy air mattresses will accept the end of the hose for inflation so inflation time is not a problem.
Of all the folks I have conversed with who have worked in or owned Kirby repair shops, you are the only one I have ever heard complain of Amodel fan errosion or breakage except in very rare occasions.
Of all the folks I have conversed with who have worked in or owned Kirby repair shops, you are the only one I have ever heard complain of Amodel fan errosion or breakage except in very rare occasions.
turbo500
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I like the more obscure Abba songs
Completely off topic, but...Agreed!
Eagle, That's Me, I've Been Waiting For You, Hole In Your Soul, The Visitors, Soldiers, Me & I, Kisses of Fire, Elaine, Under Attack, If It Wasn't For The Nights, When All Is Said And Done, Dance While The Music Still Goes On etc etc...some of my favourites.
Completely off topic, but...Agreed!
Eagle, That's Me, I've Been Waiting For You, Hole In Your Soul, The Visitors, Soldiers, Me & I, Kisses of Fire, Elaine, Under Attack, If It Wasn't For The Nights, When All Is Said And Done, Dance While The Music Still Goes On etc etc...some of my favourites.
