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Picking up on this point, if I may, I notice these beasts often feature in my Which? magazine. May I be the first to say I know very little of them?

From what I have gleamed, they cost considerably more to buy, but if used regularly and if they last as long as one might hope, they would make significant savings on the electricity consumption. However, one subscriber did write in to say that his Bosch heat-pump dryer was liable to need servicing every 12 months, which was costly and inconvenient, but failure to do so meant his dryer was running for a number of hours at a time before the washing was actually dry.

Now, on the other side of this completely, my cleaning lady has recently purchased a rather inexpensive 8KG Hoover vented dryer, with sensor dry facility. She informs me her choice was made solely on the basis of what was in stock locally on the day her rather old 6KG Hotpoint Ultima sensor-condenser dryer broke down. The ability to vent the dryer in her home was such that a condenser was not actually necessary, indeed she tells me that some 12 or so years after buying the Hotpoint, she cannot now recall why she went for a condenser in the first place, adding that the bother of emptying water tanks and cleaning condenser units was quite wearing.

So, with all this in mind, she tells me she is astounded as to how fast the new vented dryer gets through a wash load some 2KG larger than her old machine could cope with. Her washing machine -also 8KG- spins at 1500rpm and it now takes around an hour and a quarter or so, ass opposed to double that for her condenser dryer. This got me thinking long and hard about efficiency, because in my own mind I see the equation being rather simple; to get the wet laundry dry as quickly as possible, without over-drying it. Thus, if a vented dryer is doing this faster than a condenser dryer with the same kilowatt loading, surely it has to be more efficient, irrespective of what letter it is rated at on the energy label?
 
Indesit

At risk of hijacking the thread (perhaps this should go in the 'Imperial' section of AW) I used to own an Indesit which lasted around 20 years with very few problems and very little maintenance. I have no idea of the model number now, but it was a FL induction motor model, with a knob for manually setting temperature as well as the programmer for setting the wash time/type. For the technically inclined, the pump was carried on an extension of the main motor shaft.
The machine was second-hand when a friend of mine bought it, she used it for about six years, before passing it on to me, who got another eight or ten years or so out of it before it died of seal failure.
Washers were plentiful then, and I could have easily repaired it and got even more service from it, had I felt the need to at the time.

All best

Dave T
 
The sealed tub issue is one reason why I quickly eliminated Zanussi and AEG amongst others from my list of potential choices. Should the tub, drum, bearings, seals or spider fail, I would at least like to be given the choice as to whether or not to replace them individually, rather than having that decision taken out of my hands entirely. With a sealed tub, if any ONE of those parts fails, the whole machine is scrap.

As an example, a complete new set of bearings and seals for my machine, supplied directly from Bosch, would cost me just under £54. I could fit them myself in an afternoon, the whole job done for one tenth of the price of an equivalent machine at RRP. Makes much better economic sense than going out and buying a £200 Indesit or whatever, and I'd still have a far nicer machine at the end of it, rather than just settling for whatever happened to be cheap and available at the time.

I know time is money as well, but really... so is waiting in all day for a new machine to be delivered, only for it to be their last drop of the day at 6pm. Happens to me every time.
 
Benny,

It's funny, but I do see and hear of a lot of people buying condenser dryers now, when they could just as easily have vented one out in the first place had they been so inclined. It's almost as though they are the default choice these days. Certainly there are now far more condensers available than vented, when it used to be very much the other way round.

Personally I would choose a vented dryer every time if at all possible. They are definitely quicker, don't run anywhere near as hot, and have less to potentially go wrong.

Because my flat is rented, and the dryer is located in a spare bedroom, there's no way I can drill through the wall for a vent. So a condenser it has to be. I'm really not crazy about them, but think next time round a heat pump dryer would be better suited to my needs. More economical, considering it is my only means of drying laundry, and they are less likely to shrink clothes due to their very low operating temperatures. Emptying the water is something I already do, so that's OK. As I understand it, you do need to vacuum off the secondary filter(s) once or twice a week, but I'd happily take that over trying to rinse out soggy fluff from an ordinary condenser any day.

As far as non-vented dryers go, I really think heap pumps will be the way to go in future, especially as prices continue to drop over time.
 
Dave,

I know the type of Indesit you speak of, my parents had a model 092 back in the day as their first automatic, as did one of my aunts. There were numerous other models as well, some with controls on top and others with the more conventional layout we are used to. For their time they were a reasonable machine at a very affordable price, finally putting an automatic within everyone's reach.

Although the pump was driven off the main motor, it didn't run fast enough during wash and rinse tumbles to drain the machine. Only when the machine launched into a spin cycle would the pump pick up enough speed to start shifting water out through the drain hose. Quite clever, considering there was no clutch involved.
 
Currently have the Maytag Bravos X with Allergen Cycle. The interesting thing I've noted is that it seems here in the states we're getting back to - or maybe starting to get really used to, front loading washing machines. Maytag now only carries 2 top load washers. Personally, I can't stand a front load washer and will take a top load Maytag all day long, but that is what I use and I am happy with it. My grandmother has some kind of Maytag from the early 60s that is still going strong without ever skipping a beat.
 
There are new condensers on the market now that automatically drain the water for you whenever the tumble dryers are being used. I just wouldn't bother unless I was forced to buy in such a machine if I lived in a property where no vent hole was located. When gas was cheaper in the 1980s my parents bought White Knight tumble dryers because they could be run off gas. The savings were greater than using electricity alone, and at a time when our last Hoover Ecologic washer dryer burnt out its last element from continually drying. Infact I think I have an old brochure somewhere of the Hoover models back then but I think it may have been posted on the other site already.

The White Knights weren't the best made but they did the job and both of them were vented. There was no question in my mind that after they failed, I'd buy a Hotpoint for my mum. Well it's been about 3 years now since I bought it, and I bought it purely because it was the cheapest tumble dryer that our local electrical show room stocked in. I have never had an issue with it - it just does what it says on the tin and it has reverse tumbling, which IMHO makes all the difference for faster drying.
 
Fisher & Paykel

Purchased Fisher & Paykel GWL10W Washer and DG05US Gas Drier on 07/21/2001. They replaced a Whirlpool set purchased in 1982, which had one drier motor replaced in that 19 year stretch.

In May 2009 the pump leaked in the washer. This caused the electronic control to short. Replacement cost for that part was so high, I opted to buy a replacement washer instead. After much research, I ended up buying another Fisher & Paykel. I am in love with the whole design and lack of transmission, 1,000RPM spin cycle etc. Our laundry loads almost always finish in the drier at the exact same time the washer load ends. It's amazing.

The drier has had a sticking start button on occasion, but nothing I had to buy parts for. I've heard GE makes the Fisher & Paykel drier, but don't know that's true. Knock wood, it's been rock solid since it was purchased. If the washer gives me anymore trouble, I feel confident I'll be able to find fair priced parts online next time.

http://www.fisherpaykel.com/us/laundry/washing-machines/washing-machine/WL4227J1/
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ATM We have an approx 5 year old???
Bosch classix 1400 express in white and thoch sensor things that look like buttons with red lights on them.

We used to have a zanussi with a yellow circle button, a green square button I think etc etc IT WAS CRAP!!!!

Miele will hopefully be our next washer or a Dyson (unlikely to get Dyson)
My Aunty used to have a Hotpoint, now she has a new Indesit
 
Tayyab, what was crap about the Zanussi?

Ry, most likely any of the heap pump condensers. Probably the Miele heat pump - they use far less electricity and are much quicker at drying.
 
To return to an earlier question

...what is the kilowatt loading, how much does it draw per cycle (as lower temperature was mentioned here earlier, I am assuming it's either lower wattage or else has a thermostat which switches the heater on and off throughout the cycle), and how long does a cycle take?
 

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