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@vacfan1982 I suggested that when I saw started like a year or two ago.
He didn't want to do it then. I doubt he'd want to do it now ,But I'd be open to doing a livestream.


@mike811 I definitely agree it could be a good metric if done properly in a laboratory with multiple machines on a carpet that doesn't shed.
Like what we see in the European rating system or CRI has done.
But shouldn't really be considered anything accurate when done by a putz on YouTube.
 
@vacuumdevil

"On a carpet that doesn't shed"

0.02 grams of carpet fibers is not going to ruin the test.
Normally I get less than that and my scale doesn't show anything when I put carpet fiber "ball" on it.
Test must be done on insanely clean carpet. Otherwise it doesn't work.
Weighted carpet pick up tests still is by far the best testing method.
Not perfect, but still very accurate.
 
These tests will not be as accurate as in a Lab but they can still give you a good idea of the performance of a vacuum cleaner.

Ah well if Bill doesn't want to do it that's his prerogative. If you could both keep it civil I think it would be interesting.
 
@vacfan1982

"These tests will not be as accurate as in a Lab but they can still give you a good idea of the performance of a vacuum cleaner."

I agree with you.
Amount of work what goes in to these test is VERY high.
I use my living room carpet so my problem is to get it insanely clean.
I don't have special carpet for testing.
If someone saw me pre vacuuming testing area they would think that I am crazy 😂
I mean doing 50+ passes from all the directions before testing + making sure that bin, hoses, brushroll, brushroll housing, etc is clean.
But end result is rewarding. Unless I mess up the test, Then I have to start from the beginning 😣😂
 
@mike811
First off I would have sent this as a personal message but I cannot find your Instagram I know we've talked on there before. Please DM me.
also I'm hope you aware that somebody tried to steal your name on YouTube by the name of " vacuum test" it's really messing with your SEO.

With that out of the way.
I agree perhaps in a proper laboratory it could be accurate I still don't put much accuracy into amateur testing.
However I will say your videos and testing are far more thorough & consistent than a lot that I've seen.
I would also like to point out that the type of carpet you have and types of vacuums are very different than what we get here in the United States.
 
Vacuum Pick Up Tests

Guys,


In my days in Teamsters Local 25 in Boston and working for lux for a decade here is what I learned. A good vacuum used often cleans better than a great vacuum used only occasionally. A degree in mathematics and physics is probably the most fun I would ever have with my clothes on lol. Still enjoy your videos and those from Alex.

So we know there is a margin of error in sampling. I am not sure why one would test vacuum pick up on carpet (apartment style) that sheds worse than an Old English Sheep dog? Probably some new Shaw carpet tiles vacuumed prior to testing with a clean bag and a good vacuum like a Marin/236 would be a good starting point. Some before and after vacuum weighing and a measured amount of sand distributed evenly over the carpet tiles with a drop spreader would guarantee even material distribution. Before sand and after sand pickup weighing of carpet tiles less error gives the soil removal percentage. Before and after weighing of equipment should fall in the generally accepted range of mid eighties say for the SEB 236 for instance after the error factor is figured in correct? I would not expect to see 100% or even 90% soil removal for that matter. I would expect better performance on Shaw tiles vs Sheepdog apartment carpet though.

What do you guys think of the XRF method of using X ray to measure soil removal in carpet as does CRI in rating vacuum performance?

We know that good performing nozzles (Sebo-Windsor, Rainbow, Miele/Wessel, Lindhaus, and Lux/Tristar with 48011 green HPO and Kirby) run around 75-85% soil removal in best case, real world testing? Interesting about the Oreck XL-21 and stiff bristles. Lux used an electron microscope to show the degradation of opaque carpet fibers as a result of power nozzle roller brushes that are too stiff. There is a lot of Karastan carpeting in multi million dollar homes in Boston vacuumed with Oreck. Buy Karastan by the yard and throw it away by the pound I guess. The damage to the carpet fiber ends can be significant depending on which roller your machine has.


As far as soil pick up if I have not vacuumed for a while my go to is the Avalir. In the same number of uses in the house it just picks up more dirt than my other machines. At the same it weighs one third of Miss Saigon who is probably in line to become Mrs. Funeral Director so not appropriate for every user I guess. Never forget the fishing boats docking in Gloucester Massachusetts and the deck hand wails a Kirby on a rope into the harbor use as an anchor. Great performance but the user experience leaves a bit to be desired.

Brian
 
Livestream

Alex,

As far back as 2018, I remember you asking how to contact me but you claimed you were unable to locate my (public since 2014) email address. You have now made at least two claims regarding a possible email exchange initiated by yourself. I have never received any communication from you at any time.

Since you don't approve of any testing I do and you don't test, tell me what's the point of a livestream?

Let me also be clear: before we would commence any appreciable communication, you would have some apologizing to do for your outrageous claims/comments as noted above by the deleted post.

Bill
 
I

Deleted my post. I'm not about to argue with Vaclab. It was also biased what I posted.
It takes 10k hours to be considered a master at a activity. Vacuum devil in my guess has 34k-36k hours as a vacuum tech/business owner.
My dang phone has a floating keyboard right now as I post....
Les
 
Still

Its still floating.
I only use my phone to post. Some of my posts look like crap because there not on a large computer screen.
I have a bachelor's degree. The last 30 credits are considered master level courses.
From my experience every teacher of those classes had a doctorate.
My point is there is alot of educated people. Even though vacuum devil doesn't (atleast what I'm aware of) have as much schooling. Yet you can't debate he is an expert vacuum tech.
I don't think you have to have a labdesignated as a lab, to perform scientific research.
Your both educated and know what you are doing.
The shoes someone wears has no creedance on their knowledge.
I don't want a reply but I just wanted to give a different point of view.
Let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya or let's just play nice.
Les
 
@regularrett69 what post and or user are you referring to?

@vaclab You must have had the same email server Hillary Clinton did.
The point of the live stream would be drama fest and channel growth.
You're welcome to apologize at any time for belittling me and other users on here.
But to be honest I'm not sorry about anything I have ever said to you.


@lesinutah 100% about phones sucking to reply to things.
I'm not sure where you got any idea of education I have. I don't brag about having 7 PHDs in underwater basket weaving. I don't really see academia as what defines a man's success.
I appreciate you trying to keep the peace on here.
There's one more take away from this thread.
Bill + Alex = internet argument 🤣
 
Exactly

I just getting across you don't have to have a degree to have credibility.
It holds no merit.
Les
 
Well...

From my memory, NOTHING was offensive in that post. I meant rude by its rude to go delete peoples stuff, when they spent time writing and making it, just because you don't like the person. That post was all fine and dandy by me. (Also have a sneaking suspicion that somebody has multiple accounts on here, and not just one person).
 
You both seem to enjoy the performance and reliability of good bagged vacuum cleaners. Why is there such a disagreement? Vaclab seems to show bagged vacuums are great. Performance reviews seems to show bagged vacuums are great.
 
Disagreement

You haven't been here long. Vacuum devil goes fishing and he always gets a bite. Vaclab is scientific minded. Vacuum devil is a vacuum technician whose knowledge of vacuums is vast.
They like to do threads like this fairly often
It is humorous it makes sense if you don't think about it.
Les
 
??

Why is one YouTube attacking someone based on their perceived "health status" and their shoes? What do these things have to do with vacuums? It reminds me of a certain past president who couldn't make a solid argument and would stoop to the level of a bully and attack people based on silly and childish characteristics.
 

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