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jmurray01

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Could somebody please give me a timeline on what happened to the UK Hoover company and when it happened, because I was always under the impression that Candy came into the picture around the Millennium, but Wikipedia says they bought it in 1993 from the Maytag corporation who bought it from the Hoover family in 1989...

I need some information!
 
Did you check the UK Hoover site?


 


Here's what it says:


 


<span style="font-size: medium; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">"...[COLOR=#323232; line-height: 16px; font-weight: normal]In 1985 Hoover merged with the Chicago Pacific Corporation, based in the USA. Four years later, Chicago Pacific was acquired by domestic appliance giant The Maytag Corporation. The Hoover European Appliance Group came into existence in 1993 and is now part of Candy S.p.A, a private company based in Brugherio in Northern Italy..."[/COLOR]</span>
 
The 1993 Hoover Service manual is of the same quality as the 1980's ones, full of advertising, and feeling. The 1995 one is a lot thinner, no ads at all and much less of a 'Hoover Service Centre' feel.
 
Can't tell you the date young Jamie, but Candy took control in the early part of the 1990's when Hoover went down the drain following the free flights incident. Here is a video of a documentary about some of the changes.

 
Thank you Benny, I'll watch that in the morning.

The products were still of incredibly good quality in the 90s though so I suspect Candy did SOMETHING right until around the year 2000 when they started moving production from Britain to cheaper places and as such meant lesser quality.
 
Well it is a difficult question to answer, because floorcare was a massive part of the Hoover brand, and taking away anything which was going on at Hoover, during the 1990s Dyson was ploughing through the vacuum cleaner industry like a tornado (or should that be a cyclone), causing a good deal of changes all around. So whether the changes made at Hoover were wholly due to the Candy take-over or not is probably down to personal opinion.

Certainly I think that Candy probably was happy to 'Hoover' up the Hoover share of the white-goods market, and if one looks at all other manufacturers who bought up others, the same story is usually told. It is very much like Indesit who bought up the Hotpoint group and slowly began making Hotpoint machines to the Ariston and Indesit designs.
 
Not just Hoover moved abroad with manufacturing - What did James Dyson do in 2002? He got the Greedy for Profit bug, and moved all production to the far east. The problem is people in the UK always want higher wages and with the minimum wage and price inflation here, Dyson could get labour a lot cheaper in Malaysia - it made better business sense to him, and most companies couldn't give 2 hoots about ethics and keeping their production in the UK, money, big bonuses and satisfying the shareholders is all that matters now. Its a sign of the times.
 
As much as I don't like to think it, maybe you are right and even the original Hoover Company would have still made the same decisions that were made by Candy in and after 2000.

Hold on, Indesit own Hotpoint!?

And I thought they were a good brand... Maybe once, but no more it seems.
 
I have to say I don't care what reasons will be posted in defence of James Dyson following that last message, I agree entirely with what has just been said. Many factors were affecting the retail side of the products, such as retailers having to make up their own retail prices and profits following a ruling in the late 1990's which prohibited the manufacturers from dictating the lowest permitted selling prices of electrical goods. This served as a major tool in the fight for lower prices in stores. As this was taking effect, shops began to close down and of course the internet as a whole was expanding. With that, as we know, came more online retailers. Products had to be made cheaper and cheaper in order to compete. But some companies like Dyson were actually doing very well at this time.
 
Yes Jamie, Indesit and Hotpoint are the same. Indesit and Aristion were owned by a company called Merloni. Ariston was the so-called premier range of products, with Indesit being the budget. In the early 2000s Merloni bought a major chuck of GDA which was the company who owned Hotpoint, Creda, and Cannon. When Merloni bought up most of GDA (if not all of it) the Ariston brand was removed from the UK market and replaced by Hotpoint.

Bosch stopped supplying the parts and licencing to make Hotpoint dishwashers and production shifted to one of the Merloni factories. Crosslee stopped supplying the Indesit dryers and Creda dryers from the UK factory began the supply of a whole range of dryers which actually matched the Indesit washers, something which Indesit had never had before.

I am not at all sure now which machines are made where, but I understand that a lot of UK production has ceased, with Hotpoint washing machines being built to the Ariston designs.
 
Dyson fan or not (I'm not) I don't think anybody could defend James Dyson for bringing production away from Britain.

One company who I believe will remain British for ever and ever is Numatic.
 
Deary me I only meant to say "forever" there, I was thinking of the Our Father prayer which must have swayed my thoughts subconsciously (For thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory, for ever and ever.)

Strange how that happens, isn't it ?
 
I do, which is why I was thinking of it (not that I'm in bed yet, I'm putting off subjecting myself to the torture of tossing and turning until 3AM as I've done the last few nights).

It is hell, to use an unholy word.
 
Ignorance is bliss until you start to pay out for repairs.

The thing is though, unless you actually buy and own the brand you're none the wiser nowadays with brand reliabiity. I recall Ariston washers were seldom reliable as well as Colston (anyone remember them??!) machines and Indesit had poor reliability for many years. Yet, I have a Hotpoint tumble dryer now- it was cheap as chips to buy at the time, it's vented so less goes wrong in theory and its relatively quiet when in use. I'd have never considered Hotpoint now because I knew that Indesit were the backing company, but I've been honestly, quite surprised and delighted that nothing has gone wrong with the now, four year old machine and it is used every third day or once a week depending on the wash loads. Would I consider Hotpoint in the future? After putting up with a horrible White Knight for many years and kept spending excess on replacement doors (4 in all) and then the heater element burning out, I may well consider Hotpoint again for its reliability and less cost.


 


I think it can be quite foolish to think that buying a brand that used to be good, can still be good, nowadays. It doesn't happen very often and although I may be singled out, I don't think Dyson would have survived had he remained in the UK with production of his models - and Benny does make good points here in so far as the way in which are economy and wages are concerned.


 


Dyson on the other hand is not like Numatic where they are churning out ONE machine with several variations. Numatic enjoy the market they hold and they've done very well. Their position in the UK makes a lot more sense, because they aren't interested in huge sales - why else has it it taken them so long to break into the U.S market? Numatic are very different to most other vacuum brands and have followed a pattern that most other commercial brands have done - keep the basic machine in production and add design changes little by little as the years go by.


 


Another British brand that I miss from my child hood is Tricity and Belling. Belling I believe, was swallowed up by Creda. Belling cookers used to be well built and lasted ages. My granny had 2 of them and 2 Tricity cookers. We had a 20 something year old double range Belling that came with the house my parents bought. It just refused to die, even if its white metal parts were starting to rust exterior wise. Replaced it with a modern Belling in the 1990's and it lasted only four years with a burnt element in the main oven. 


 


 


 
 
I enjoyed reading what you had to say Ryan and agreed with it too.

Before my interest in Vacuum Cleaners became a hobby we made a big mistake and bought a Dust Manager in 2007. That was the single worst vacuum I've ever owned.

Lasted 6 months then died and went out to the bin.

And why did we buy it ? Because "it is a Hoover; they invented it!".

Yep, how wrong.
 

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