Thoughts on The Lindhaus Healthcare Pro 14in

[SeboU1]

I recently got my hands on the current version of the Healthcare. It took some time to warm up to it, now I would recommend it. The Healthcare pro seams to do most tasks well, with a few caveats. The carpet performance is on par with my X4, U1, and Spirit. It does tend to spit cat litter occasionally on carpet. I found the healthcare to be the best for cleaning under beds. The bare floor performance with the power nozzle is awful, and I think they should include their floor tool. The floor tool is excellent, I like it better than a parquet twist on my Miele canisters. Overall I find the healthcare pro to be a great nimble vacuum, that performs well on delicate floors, with the floor tool. I also enjoyed the vanilla smell that it has from the factory. I know the healthcare competes with the Felix, but I think it has potential to be the best. They need to improve the hose and attachments, I would like to see an upholstery tool. I would also say that the carrying handle could have been a more secure handle, so you can carry it like a canister. I did notice that the brush height light doesn’t really work, has anyone noticed the red light not working on the current Lindhaus or Stealth nozzles?

 

[cheesewonton]

I recently got my hands on the current version of the Healthcare. It took some time to warm up to it, now I would recommend it. The Healthcare pro seams to do most tasks well, with a few caveats. The carpet performance is on par with my X4, U1, and Spirit. It does tend to spit cat litter occasionally on carpet. I found the healthcare to be the best for cleaning under beds. The bare floor performance with the power nozzle is awful, and I think they should include their floor tool. The floor tool is excellent, I like it better than a parquet twist on my Miele canisters. Overall I find the healthcare pro to be a great nimble vacuum, that performs well on delicate floors, with the floor tool. I also enjoyed the vanilla smell that it has from the factory. I know the healthcare competes with the Felix, but I think it has potential to be the best. They need to improve the hose and attachments, I would like to see an upholstery tool. I would also say that the carrying handle could have been a more secure handle, so you can carry it like a canister. I did notice that the brush height light doesn’t really work, has anyone noticed the red light not working on the current Lindhaus or Stealth nozzles?

The red lights on my PB12 and PB14 Stealth both work as advertised.

 

[SeboU1]

The red lights on my PB12 and PB14 Stealth both work as advertised.

I did try running a t shirt over and the belt protection worked and the red light came on. I’m not sure if my carpets are too old and worn for it to work, but I did try it on a new area rug that I consider difficult to vacuum.

 

[cheesewonton]

I did try running a t shirt over and the belt protection worked and the red light came on. I’m not sure if my carpets are too old and worn for it to work, but I did try it on a new area rug that I consider difficult to vacuum.

I am thankful that the Lindhaus belt sensor is not over sensitive like some others are. I can vacuum dog beds with the Lindhaus nozzle. I can't with anything from Miele or Sebo. They hit that doggie bed and immediately stop running while flashing an angry light at me. Kludge. No such problems with Lindhaus, Kenmore or Aerus / Electrolux.

 

[panasonicvac]

I thought it was funny at first of how the red brushroll indicator lights work on both SEBO and Lindhaus. If the brushroll is raised up too high on a SEBO, the red light comes on. If the brushroll is lowered down too low on a Lindhaus, the red light comes on. This video gives a great demonstration of how the red light can be used to correctly set the height adjuster even though it's an older model, the same thing still applies to yours. Overall, the Lindhaus is the best overall upright I've ever used, at least it's tied with the FELIX since I agree it really does compete against it. Between the two, I like the Lindhaus slightly more. However, I'd rather buy the FELIX instead because I just don't feel like it's worth paying extra for the Lindhaus. I mean for example the warranty is rather short for Lindhaus, three years compare to five/ten years on the FELIX. Despite that, it's still the perfect upright for me. The only other upright that could've convinced me to buy over the Lindhaus would be the X4 in spring green cause I love that color.

 

[SeboU1]

I thought it was funny at first of how the red brushroll indicator lights work on both SEBO and Lindhaus. If the brushroll is raised up too high on a SEBO, the red light comes on. If the brushroll is lowered down too low on a Lindhaus, the red light comes on. This video gives a great demonstration of how the red light can be used to correctly set the height adjuster even though it's an older model, the same thing still applies to yours. Overall, the Lindhaus is the best overall upright I've ever used, at least it's tied with the FELIX since I agree it really does compete against it. Between the two, I like the Lindhaus slightly more. However, I'd rather buy the FELIX instead because I just don't feel like it's worth paying extra for the Lindhaus. I mean for example the warranty is rather short for Lindhaus, three years compare to five/ten years on the FELIX. Despite that, it's still the perfect upright for me. The only other upright that could've convinced me to buy over the Lindhaus would be the X4 in spring green cause I love that color.

I wish they still made that green on the X4 too! I also like the blue and yellow color, that you have in the X5. Yes I would probably choose the Felix as well, I got the Healthcare pro at half of the retail price on EBay. I like that the button to remove the et1 is more accessible on the Felix. I somewhat prefer the handle release on the Lindhaus. I used the X4 under a bed that had an area rug up to the nightstand and the last 1/3 is hardwood, and the X4 release got caught on the threshold and my rug. The release is fine on all the other wall to wall carpet.

 

[panasonicvac]

You and me both, I also love the blue/yellow color on the X4 and X5. Definitely my favorite out of the four main colors which I'm sure you know the ones I'm talking about. It reminds me of the Kenmore Professional 12 and 15 models that SEBO once made for Sears. I'd imagine if they still had put the Kenmore brand on both the X4 and X5, that'd be my ultimate dream! I'm gonna ask a fellow member over on AW to see if he could photoshop the X4 and X5 with the Kenmore brand on them just for fun since he does it alot on washers and dryers.

 

[blackheart]

I have a love/hate relationship with Lindhaus uprights. They are well built, quiet, filter well and have excellent power nozzles. My gripe about them is their suction motors. They just don't have a lot of power IMO. I still think they work pretty well due to the nozzle but I can't help but feel that they're held back by the suction motor. They won't move away from Rotofil motors either since that is their parent company.

 

[Ant_Tenna]

I have a love/hate relationship with Lindhaus uprights. They are well built, quiet, filter well and have excellent power nozzles. My gripe about them is their suction motors. They just don't have a lot of power IMO. I still think they work pretty well due to the nozzle but I can't help but feel that they're held back by the suction motor. They won't move away from Rotofil motors either since that is their parent company.

That's interesting because their canisters are quite powerful and on par with the best German stuff. My Aria Platinum with the straight suction hose pulls about 90" of water lift, though the electric hose drops it a bit but its still 80"+. The newer HF6 does about the same with its electric/non-electric hoses.

 

[cheesewonton]

That's interesting because their canisters are quite powerful and on par with the best German stuff. My Aria Platinum with the straight suction hose pulls about 90" of water lift, though the electric hose drops it a bit but its still 80"+. The newer HF6 does about the same with its electric/non-electric hoses.

So I have the performance charts from Lindhaus for the motor used in the Aria and for the current motor used in the HF6. The Aria motor is rated at 510 peak air watts while the motor for the HF6 is rated around 350 air watts, comparable to an old Tristar canister. If HF6s weren't so expensive I'd be tempted to drop an Aria motor into one.. They are the same basic size and configuration. I have a hunch the HF6 can't make use of any more power. The two stage motor used in the first gen HF6 was similarly soft on power.

 

[cheesewonton]

That's interesting because their canisters are quite powerful and on par with the best German stuff. My Aria Platinum with the straight suction hose pulls about 90" of water lift, though the electric hose drops it a bit but its still 80"+. The newer HF6 does about the same with its electric/non-electric hoses.

The Aria is a genuinely powerful vacuum and I also get around 82 inches of suction at the end of the electric hose on both of mine. Great vacuum.

 

[Ant_Tenna]

So I have the performance charts from Lindhaus for the motor used in the Aria and for the current motor used in the HF6. The Aria motor is rated at 510 peak air watts while the motor for the HF6 is rated around 350 air watts, comparable to an old Tristar canister. If HF6s weren't so expensive I'd be tempted to drop an Aria motor into one.. They are the same basic size and configuration. I have a hunch the HF6 can't make use of any more power. The two stage motor used in the first gen HF6 was similarly soft on power.

I have an older HF6 with a bad motor, I might able to try this. Does it say the wattage of the HF6 motor in that chart? I've noticed that all the newer HF6s are listed as being the 750W "EcoForce" model but thats only for Europe. The current U.S spec models are still 1050W they just went from a dual stage to a single stage. I had an another older one with a working dual stage motor that still got 75-80" of water lift which is pretty good for a machine from 1998. I've since sold that one because I found one in the lovely Silver Blue, just needs a motor. Came with the original non-electric hose, matching blue 35mm M28R, dark gray PB14, and the original 10ft Plastiflex pigtail electric hose. Lovely machine I'm excited to get it going when I can.

The Aria is a genuinely powerful vacuum and I also get around 82 inches of suction at the end of the electric hose on both of mine. Great vacuum.

I was really surprised how powerful it is. It's one of the machines I reach for the most for daily cleaning. I recently had a second NOS Aria Platinum that I bought for a friend and it was an older model that had a different electric hose: black with a tapered end where it goes into the machine and the handle swivels 360. Neither feature is present on the newer style electric hoses and I don't understand why they did away with that hose. It also had more suction and airflow compared to the newer hose either because of the taper or maybe it's better sealed, or both.

 

[cheesewonton]

I have an older HF6 with a bad motor, I might able to try this. Does it say the wattage of the HF6 motor in that chart? I've noticed that all the newer HF6s are listed as being the 750W "EcoForce" model but thats only for Europe. The current U.S spec models are still 1050W they just went from a dual stage to a single stage. I had an another older one with a working dual stage motor that still got 75-80" of water lift which is pretty good for a machine from 1998. I've since sold that one because I found one in the lovely Silver Blue, just needs a motor. Came with the original non-electric hose, matching blue 35mm M28R, dark gray PB14, and the original 10ft Plastiflex pigtail electric hose. Lovely machine I'm excited to get it going when I can.


I was really surprised how powerful it is. It's one of the machines I reach for the most for daily cleaning. I recently had a second NOS Aria Platinum that I bought for a friend and it was an older model that had a different electric hose: black with a tapered end where it goes into the machine and the handle swivels 360. Neither feature is present on the newer style electric hoses and I don't understand why they did away with that hose. It also had more suction and airflow compared to the newer hose either because of the taper or maybe it's better sealed, or both.

The older hose was miserable. I have one. The hose material was much too soft. My previous home had this kind of deep pile builders grade ( aka apartment grade ) carpeting in it and just trying to spin the vacuum around by the hose was enough to kink it flat. The newer hose material is much better. Also I have never seen any vacuum with a handle swivel that didn't become contaminated with dirt and develop dead spots. Even American Electroluxes do this. Miele hoses are maybe the worst but my Vorwerk Tiger 260 has the same problem as does my Epic 8000. PITA. At least Electrolux makes cleaning the swivel really easy. Being accustomed to old straight hose Kenmores and Eurekas I don't have a problem using the new Lindhaus hose.

Superficially at least the new single stage motor used in the HF6 looks just like the motor in the Aria. I've had both Arias apart and have a spare motor as well so I'm a little familiar with those motors. I would be very tempted to try to sneak an Aria motor into the newer HF6 and see what that does.

 

[panasonicvac]

I have a love/hate relationship with Lindhaus uprights. They are well built, quiet, filter well and have excellent power nozzles. My gripe about them is their suction motors. They just don't have a lot of power IMO. I still think they work pretty well due to the nozzle but I can't help but feel that they're held back by the suction motor. They won't move away from Rotofil motors either since that is their parent company.

They've updated their motors, they're now more powerful than before. Even this recently updated brochure shows that the specifications changed than what it used to be. Still not as powerful as the Aria but they're very competitive now to SEBO. Such a shame they're not selling the Aria here anymore because it's the most powerful residential canister I've ever used, the most powerful canister I've used overall is the ProTeam and it's also a shame those aren't being made anymore.

https://www.lindhaususa.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Depliant-HPro-USA-web.pdf

 

[cheesewonton]

They've updated their motors, they're now more powerful than before. Even this recently updated brochure shows that the specifications changed than what it used to be. Still not as powerful as the Aria but they're very competitive now to SEBO. Such a shame they're not selling the Aria here anymore because it's the most powerful residential canister I've ever used, the most powerful canister I've used overall is the ProTeam and it's also a shame those aren't being made anymore.

https://www.lindhaususa.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Depliant-HPro-USA-web.pdf

I have a Kenmore 600 and it puts both the Lindhaus and the Pro Team back on the trailer for airflow.

 

[blackheart]

Yeah the canisters are a different story, I've tested the Aria, an HF6 with the newer motor and they do fine. But the uprights are just lacking. They've had those same specs of 90" and 103 CFM for a litttle while now I even have one of the newer white/red healthcare pros but I just still think it could be stronger. It only has about 81 cfm at the hose and suction of about 74" airflow at the cleaner head in the low 50s. I've tested a few of their models, an older Healthcare pro, a diamante, the Aria, HF6, I also tested my Friend's LB4 backpack, but that was before I was making videos.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I have never had experience with lindhaus machines as we never got them over here, HOWEVER I do have two of the dozen or so stealth heads that were imported by Kiwivac. I think that the p 14th is great except for that it is just too wide for our small homes. For reference a typical New Zealand home is about 1000-1300 square feet (about 100-130 square meters). The stealth gets stuck in all the corners so I have to use a separate nozzle. Same goes for kirby's. I also dislike how stiff the necks on the lindhaus nozzles are. I find they are just a bit bulky to turn.

 

[cheesewonton]

Yeah the canisters are a different story, I've tested the Aria, an HF6 with the newer motor and they do fine. But the uprights are just lacking. They've had those same specs of 90" and 103 CFM for a litttle while now I even have one of the newer white/red healthcare pros but I just still think it could be stronger. It only has about 81 cfm at the hose and suction of about 74" airflow at the cleaner head in the low 50s. I've tested a few of their models, an older Healthcare pro, a diamante, the Aria, HF6, I also tested my Friend's LB4 backpack, but that was before I was making videos.

I think we beat this up several months ago but your way of measuring airflow greatly overestimates it. You need to measure the inside diameter of the hose, calculate the surface area of the opening and measure air velocity using your anemometer. Multiply the airspeed in feet per minute by the surface area in square feet ( it will be on the order of 0.0066 for a 1.1 inch / 28mm ID to 0.0105 for a 35 mm ID ) then multiply that product by 0.8 to compensate for the fact that the air is moving faster ( greater airspeed ) in the center of a tube with turbulent flow than it is at the outer walls where boundary layer slows the air down. Your airflow values are based on the surface area of the 2 1/2 inch diameter fan and that causes the airflow number to be too high. You are not getting 81069 cfm out of anything except maybe a central vacuum.

 

[cheesewonton]

I have never had experience with lindhaus machines as we never got them over here, HOWEVER I do have two of the dozen or so stealth heads that were imported by Kiwivac. I think that the p 14th is great except for that it is just too wide for our small homes. For reference a typical New Zealand home is about 1000-1300 square feet (about 100-130 square meters). The stealth gets stuck in all the corners so I have to use a separate nozzle. Same goes for kirby's. I also dislike how stiff the necks on the lindhaus nozzles are. I find they are just a bit bulky to turn.

Wow. I bought a Stealth PB14 and put the Lindhaus canister neck in it to use with my Aria canister in place of the PB12 it came with. I've never had a problem with a wider nozzle in any room, even ones with a lot of furniture, cat toys and the like in them. The neck used on the Stealth is not ideal. It's a compromise to allow a Lindhaus nozzle to work with American style central vacuum wands. It is also used with the Lindhaus nozzle sold with some Miracle Mate canister vacuums. The standard Lindhaus neck used on PB12s sold for use with Lindhaus canisters is a lot nicer.

 

[blackheart]

I think we beat this up several months ago but your way of measuring airflow greatly overestimates it. You need to measure the inside diameter of the hose, calculate the surface area of the opening and measure air velocity using your anemometer. Multiply the airspeed in feet per minute by the surface area in square feet ( it will be on the order of 0.0066 for a 1.1 inch / 28mm ID to 0.0105 for a 35 mm ID ) then multiply that product by 0.8 to compensate for the fact that the air is moving faster ( greater airspeed ) in the center of a tube with turbulent flow than it is at the outer walls where boundary layer slows the air down. Your airflow values are based on the surface area of the 2 1/2 inch diameter fan and that causes the airflow number to be too high. You are not getting 81069 cfm out of anything except maybe a central vacuum.

You're free to your opinion on things man. I won't argue with you because there's no point. I'm going to continue to do this the way I do because it makes sense to me. I can see what you're getting at but your measurements seems too low to me. I don't consider my measurements an absolute but rather a ballpark.

 

[herbicide]

I had a healthcare pro 14" of 1997ish vintage. It was a great cleaning machine. Anecdotal story: It was bought to clean the our frat house (sorry, fraternity house for those who see offense...) in college. It "plugged*" up all the time. By plugging I mean it would fill the bag up extremely rapidly, compared to the other various machines we had around. Which meant no one wanted to use it besides me.

When I left there, the other house members were gonna pitch it, I took it with me. My only real complaints are was it was a tipsy machine, and the hose was short. I recently gifted it to a friend, 28 years later it is beat up but still performs just fine.

 

[centralsweeper63]

Keep in mind that in New Zealand a home for a family of 5 is only about 1600-2000 square feet.

 

[cheesewonton]

Keep in mind that in New Zealand a home for a family of 5 is only about 1600-2000 square feet.

I used full size canisters in smaller homes than that. To me all the greater floor space means is that you have more rooms, not necessarily bigger rooms. I have 2300 sq ft in my current home but the two small bedrooms are still only 10x12, same as my previous 1380 sq ft home. The new home just has a bigger master bedroom, an office and pop out living room but the vacuum still has to maneuver much as it did in the old home.

 

[centralsweeper63]

I used that as an example. That is quite large in nz. In nz a typical home is 800-1100 square feet for a 3 bedroom home. About 20-30% of homes in New Zealand are 600 or less square feet. Your home would be considered large in most areas with large homes in NZ. These sizes are based on areas with big homes.

 

[cheesewonton]

I used that as an example. That is quite large in nz. In nz a typical home is 800-1100 square feet for a 3 bedroom home. About 20-30% of homes in New Zealand are 600 or less square feet. Your home would be considered large in most areas with large homes in NZ. These sizes are based on areas with big homes.

If I didn't live way out in the high desert I couldn't begin to afford what I have in terms of a home and property. For what my home would sell for in the high desert I could maybe buy a nice townhouse in a larger city. I'm more than happy to live out in the sticks but it's not for everybody.

 

[centralsweeper63]

In NZ homes are just this small no matter the price. There are bigger homes out there its just that they are millions of dollars.