The horrible truth about central vacuum systems and why every non-Canadian millennial hates them.

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using the Drainvac for the contest

Well, if a central vacuum is legal for the contest than I just might bring that Drainvac again. The question is, which power nozzle to use? I'm thinking either the Sebo ET2 or the Wessel-Werk EBK360, the suction on that Drainvac will beat any portable canister.
Mike
 
false generations

Just came upon this thread, a couple of years late, lol. I see people attempting to justify their preferences for not having a central vacuum on totally false globalizations.

I think some people who are against central cacs have never had one one, but hear the false old wives tales. There opinions certainly should have less weight than someone who currently owns a competent modern unit.

The first central vacuum I heard of was from 1912, and that was in the Wright Brothers house (Hawthorne Hill) that I toured in my hometown of Dayton. The outlets looked much as today's with several on each floor of the home.

The power unit, in the basement looked quite different. It reminded me more if a water pump and pressure tank.

Since 1913 central vacs have come a long way. Hoses in 40 foot+ lengths, built-in wiring for the power head and/or hand power brush. Electrified, lightweight hoses that do not require a separate cord, with the vac outlet having a built in two pin 120 volt contact for the power head and low voltage contacts to turn the power unit off and on.

Central vacs can have sealed suction up to 208 inches, that no canister can even remotely approach. Nowadays vacuums are often rated in air Watts, although I prefer to know the individual CFM and sealed suction ratings, and central vacs can go well over a thousand airwatts (nothing to do with electrical watts, rating-wise.) canister vacs or upright vacs can only produce a fraction of that.

Best of all, Central vac can be exhausted to the outdoors so you gave zero recirculation of dust particles back into the home. Newer HEPA filters on canisters and uprights state 99.97% particle capture, which is wonderful. However, when vacuuming thousands of more micro particles means some, although few are still escaping back into the air. There is no 100 percent capture with any filter. Howeve, a central vac is 100 percent no return of contaminant particles. Recirculating vacuums often develop odors, central vacs return no odors back to the room. Zeri odors remain in the room after using a central vac

People speak of the inconvenience of a long hose, but fail to mention the inconvenience of a 30 foot electrical cord in a conventional vacuum and it's sometimes getting snagged and being run over by the vacuum. How about the inconvenience of tugging a canister behind you wherever you go, and if you only have one vac in a multi -stiry home you have to haul it up and down stairs, and the hose of most canisters cannot reach the length of many staircases, so you have to hold the canister or balance it in the steps.

Let's mention noise. Vacuums have come a long way in suppressing sound, and this is becoming a lesser issue. If you mount you central cac remotely (eg. garage) there is no noise but the air flowing. When using a powerhead on carpeting it is the same sound level as the powerhead on a canister, but you still don't have the vac motor sound so overall it is quieter than a canister/powerhead combination.

Basically, all four of the statements in the first post of this thread are false generalizations based solely on one's bias.

To contradict, newer hoses are not clumsy or heavy and I find are much easier to use than pulling a canister AND canister behind me. I can not only reach the entire length of a full length staircase, but also the landing and with an extension wand on the end, can clean the ceiling above the landing.

Winding a hose on it's holder in the closet is easy and I find it no harder than winding a upright or canister cord.

Central vacs rarely ever clog. Especially is you purchase one with a high sealed suction. My parents had a central vac (a Sears cyclonic from the mid seventies) and they never had a clog. I have put a central vac in all of my homes, except one, since I moved out on my own in the mud-eighties. I have had three clogs in forty years. One of then cleared by putting my hand on the end of the house and ketting the suction build up then pulled it off very quickly and it cleared itself, one clog was in the hose, so I turned the hose around and put the other end in the wall outlet, and the central vac pulled the clog out, and the most recent when I was cleaning out the garage with the central vac, I vacuumed up a large nail, and didn't realize it. It couldn't make the final turn in the elbow going into the vac, over the weeks that followed, dirt collected around the nail and eventually created a clog. I pulled the elbow off, took out the nail and clog with my finger, stuck the elbow back on and was right back in business.

If someone says clogging is a reason not to buy a central vac, then that is a laughable reason, as it rarely happens if you don't abuse the machine, which I do, I admit I use it as a shoo vac and hook the hose up to my sanders vac outlet when I do sanding projects such as drywall sanding, I love it for sawdust, and to clean the ashes out from my fireplace.)

As far as power used, that is another laughable reason to not use a central vac. Trust me you will never notice the difference on an electric bill. Some if the 120 volt central use less than many canisters anyway, as low as 10 to 11.5 amps. My current central units is 13 amps. Many canisters and uprights are twelve amps. Yes you can buy a two motor 240 volt central vac IF you love power, lol. Trust me in the long run you are never going to notice any changes in your electric bill.


There are several dust collection configurations, and I have had them all, bagged units, cyclonic, and Inverse cloth filter. All three work and none are messy if you think before you empty. Paper bag is fast to empty, same technique as an upright or canister. Cyclonic and inverted filter means you empty the collection canister.

No, as someone mentioned above it is NOT messy. You take the dirt canister off, put a trash bag over it holding the bag around the top of the canister to seal it, turn it upside down, wait about five seconds for dust to settle, take the trash bag off pull close it and place in trash. No muss, no fuss. For the inverted cloth filter, after emptying the canister/bin, as just stated, you place the trash bag around the base of the central vac, reach up through it and shake the cloth filter to clean it.

None is inconvenient to clean, and you only do it every several months unless you have collected a lot of sawdust or plaster dust. I like the cyclonic best as if I pick up broken glass and there is no potential cutting of the paper bag. If I break a glass in the kitchen, after I pick up the large pieces, I use the central vac to make sure every particle if glass is gone so one of my cats doesn't not get a glass fragment in the paws. I have never ripped a paper bag in doing so I, but in a cyclonic or inverse bag vac, there is zero chance as there is no paper bag. However, recently they have cone out with non-woven cloth central vac bags, and that should prevent any likelihood of bag cutting as well.

I am a vacuum cleaner fan period. I love canisters, uprights, hand vacs and central. They all gave their place and everyone had their preference and no bias against any of them. Personally, I won't have a hone without a central vac as they are:

Unequaled in power, extraordinarily convenient, zero recirculation of airborne contaminants, very quiet if mounted remotely, and very versatile as it can clean bare floors, carpet, pick up sawdust, plaster dust some units can be bought that pick up water, and they add value to your home when you sell it. Central are easy to repair and it is much easier, as a rule, to access the individual component should a repair be needed as compared to mist uprights and canisters.

In short central vacs have the abilities to make them powerful, quiet, versatile, convenient, easily repairable and in top off all this actually add value and marketability, to your home..

If you don't like them fine, but have your reasons based on reality and based from personal use and the newer designs rather than from second hand information, old wives tales and reference to central vacs of decades and decades ago.
 
At Kenny.

I'm guessing because there are times where you need something that might be just a little easier or quicker. I know for myself if I had a central system I would have a back up maybe a stick or something I can just grab out of the closet for a quick clean up in I have company coming and I don't want to deal with the hose. When we were shopping for our house we went to several houses that had central cleaning systems and most of the time they weren't being used. They had uprights.
 
Kenny's observation

"Every home I’ve been to that has a central vac, always has another upright or canister."

How many data points are you referring to Kenny? Two houses that had a central vac and another vac? More??

Of course, your best answer comes from the source. The person who has the central vac and and a conventional vac, instead of asking a third party who doesn't know.

The only accurate answer can come from the person who owned or owns the house you saw at the estate sale.

Possibilities are the only things we can give you...so here are just a few:

They moved into a house that had a central vac and moved in with their possessions, which contain a conventional vac which they already owned.

They decided to add a central vacuum system to their home, and just left their conventional vacuum in the closet.

They moved into a house with a central vac, and it did not have a power head or electric hose to deep clean carpeting. The purchaser of the home is ignorant of central vacs and doesn't know they could add a powerhead to deep clean carpets. So they retained their upright or powerhead canister. (They may turn go around telling people that central vacuums are no good on carpets based on their ignorance. Hence this is how old wives takes are created and propagated, through ignorance.)

They moved into a house with a central vac, and the previous owner took the hose. OR the central vac does not operate, OR they don't know how to operate the central vac in their new home and don't care to mess with it as they have a vac...etc. People do funny things and their are multitudes of reasons why one may have a central vac and a conventional vac.

I am not sure what someone would think if I had an estate sale, since I have a central vac and many conventional bags in my collection. GE Swiveltops, Hoover uprights, Eureka commercial upright vac, Hoover powerhead canisters, Eureka Mighty-Mites, etc.

They would likely think I am a clean freak, a nut or I collect vacuums, lol. The real answer is a bit of a combination of all three. 😊
 
One of my neighbors across the street has two Beam central vacs in their house. Originally started with one but when they extended, one of the Beams wasn't powerful enough to cover the extended side so they added another Beam to the other part of the house. Anyways later on, they've gotten several uprights for their house. My best guess was is that their maids told them they'd rather use those than the central vacs because they don't clean the house. When I use to vacuum for them, I'd usually use the central vacs because I find they're better. That's another example of Brad's point I thought I'd share, there's several more but I won't share them as it's too long. But here's what I've been through personally.

From what I was told, my parents installed a Beam central vac to their home they built in 1991 because my Montana grandparents have a central vac. They brought the Kirby from their previous home and kept it there for a short while until they gave the Kirby back to my tractor grandparents. That has always been the main vacuum for the home and I won't count any of the ones from my collection that I've used as well.

My aunt also installed a Beam central vac to their home they built in 2000 because they were temporary living in my parents' basement and used their Beam. They brought her Hoover Concept Two from her previous home and rarely ever used it, maybe only a few times when they lived their for 21 years. They added a Allegro central vac to their home they live in now because it's similar to the Beam from their previous home, they gave their Hoover to me because they felt like they no longer needed it. I did had to use it a few times when something was wrong with the central vac but it's a night and day difference, I was super happy when the central vac was back up and running again.

My uncle added a VacuMaid to their home because my Montana grandparents has a VacuMaid, previously had a Hoover Turbopower 1700 and I believe a blue Eureka hard case Bravo II. Those two were gone when the VacuMaid came along but for whatever reason they later bought a Dyson DC25 Animal.

My uncle bought a vacation condo that already came with a MD Flo-Master M85 and it was the only vacuum he's ever used. When he sold that condo and built the house he's living in there now, he got the same central vac installed cause he loved it so much. He did had two Panasonic uprights from his previous home but he gave them to me after he moved.

And my Montana grandparents from what I recall has only ever had the VacuMaid since their house was built in 1982, my grandfather did buy a Hoover Floormate later but it rarely got used so now it's in his storage trailer. And when the VacuMaid's motor died a few years ago, he opted to have the motor replaced. I did recently tried to see if a central vac was still possible to be added to his cabin because it got flooded this past winter and everything had to be gutted inside. Just as it was before, we still couldn't put one in. So unfortunately this is one of those homes where only a portable vacuum can be used, I'm already working on getting the insurance company to pay for a new canister vacuum since I want it to be so similar to using a central vac unlike the old one where it's a little cumbersome to use.
 
Or central vacs owners got tired of dragging out the long hose and bought another vac. That would be the most obvious answer. Either way I don't care. Just thought I would mention it. Collectors are a different breed! Myself included. I don't think our experiences would align with the average person who doesn't think about vacuums 24/7. 
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I don’t think there terrible

Central vacs in my opinion are great! My grandma used to have one but she didn’t like using the bulky hose that would scratch her baseboards. If she had a hide a hose with one of those socks you can put on the hose, I’m sure she would have loved it.
 
Something that people don't realize...

Is that we as a group have each other when it comes to this. A few posts up... There were a lot of reasons as to why people might not use a Central Vacuum System. No tools, no main units. The units might not work or the tools are in bad shape or whatever. Thats where we all come in. If any of us were ever in any kind of a situation like that we all know that we can come there and make a post asking for advice or say what exactly we are looking for and we know that somewhere in this fabulous group of people we are going to get what we need. We can strike up a deal for hoses and attachments, have our questions answered or whatever the case maybe. Here at this site we all have the same interests for the most part whereas the people outside of this site and who don't have the same interests are more than likely just going to be like. I'll put up with that inlet in the wall or the main unit hanging on the wall in the basement or garage.
 
I love central vacs

I have several portable vacuums but I enjoy using central vacuums the best. I use all of mine without pipes by connecting a hose directly to them since I live in an apartment. I really can't think of anything I don't like about them, I do hear the motor sound since I'm close to them but I'm fine with that, far more powerful than a portable vacuum.
Mike
 
Central vacs have certainly come a long way over the years and there are many styles. The bagless ones can be messy as some involve sticking a brush up inside to clear built up dirt off a screen. Beam units were notorious for having what was called the Bean bag filter. You had to bang it out a while or replace it. I'm not sure they were designed to be washed so well. Granted you could do the trash bag method like a user mentioned and work to engineer a better way but a sealed bag system is the simplest and neatest.

Hoses have come a long way. As many homes are converting away from beloved carpet to hard flooring, the need for a motorized power nozzle or upright cleaner doesn't exist in some homes. Many of those homeowners are getting Hide-A-Hose or Chameleon valve systems where the hose lives within piping of the walls of the home. Typically many of those hoses are 60' in length when fully pulled out and they are very lightweight to use and maneuver.

For electric power nozzle usage, the majority of current market electric hoses are plastiflex style crush proof hoses. They are about 1/3 the weight of traditional wire reinforced hoses like what was found on Kenmore, Hoover, Electrolux canister vacuums, etc. for many years. The new hoses are very easy to use and many are direct connect with two pin connector for the 120V to power the power nozzle and separate low voltage connection for suction unit control.

Clogging is a very rare issue but it depends on the quality of the installation as well. The quality of the installation can make or break or the system as it's the design of the runs in the wall and number/ sharpness degree of the turns that make the system more or less efficient. A good installer puts the sharpest 90 degree elbow turn directly at the outlet level. That sharp turn at the outlet helps prevent items like hair pins, crayons, nails, large glass shards, socks, etc from getting lodged elsewhere along the way.

The other downfall of a bad install is poor reachability. Installers do their best to measure and do outlet placement accordingly. However, I have done residential cleaning on the side for many years and a few of those had a central vac. There were parts of closets or back of the bedroom that the hose and wands of the central vac didn't reach. For those instances, I had to pull out a traditional vacuum to accomplish the task I fully wanted to do. Often it wasn't an issue or was only noticeable when you wanted to remove a cobweb of a far corner and your vacuum was just 3'short. Or that back closet corner that got cleaned a few times a year for carpet cleaning, but still the central couldn't reach, so I grabbed a traditional canister vacuum.

For those reasons above, I definitely advise having a traditional vac around which answers @kenny Loveland's question. In addition, for install difficulties and not reaching a certain area, I found at times, a standard canister or upright was easier. I lived in a home with a central vac for a few years. It was a good system. When I did a weekly full house cleaning, and we had two dogs and five cats living there, I used the central. For in between cleanings, small messes or say vacuuming one bedroom, I found it quicker to grab a standard upright or canister, whip out the cord, and off you go.

The central is great, don't get me wrong.. It really doesn't take long to wind it back on the wall hanger hook that comes with most systems, but when you add the steps togethers, and plugging the central in the one and only hose outlet of a floor that is two rooms away from the only room you want to work in, it just didn't seem to add up at times.

It also comes down to usability. If one person is inside cleaning the house and another person wants to clean another floor in the home or the car, maybe the system has enough power and the residence has another hose kit, or maybe it doesn't. There are many systems that can handle 2, 3 or more users hooked into it at the same time and each having enough power but that's often in more commercial applications. But there are also many homes with installs where that isn't the case. On times when it's all hands on deck to clean the house for the holidays, etc. you may very well have two users wanting to vacuum different parts of the home at once and need a separate canister or upright. It also doesn't hurt to have a backup system just in case!
 
Iused to have several "freestanding" central units-not plumbed.The house had no vacuum pipes.Same with the house I am in now.In my area the demand for central vacuums has decreased a lot.Folks are not buying them.Portable machines now have HEPA filtration so centrls are no longer needed.Plumbing the house for them is best done when the house is being built-not after.My "central" vac a present is two NSS M1 "canister" vacuums-they easily have the power of a 15A 120V unit.Not HEPA-but could be if I can get some HEPA Bags to fit in the NSS cloth outer bag I also have a Simplicity"Brio" canister machine.And I have one Royal metal upright and 3 Kirbys.My new place has mostly hard floors.The NSS machines are at home on this.Only the bedrooms have carpet.The vac place I use no longer stocks central machines.He can order them if needed.Mainly MD.If I get one it is going to be equipped with the HEPA filtrete type bag.Simply LOATHE bagless nentral machines.Just too messy and disgusting to empty.You need another bagged canister to clean up for those.
 

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