The BEAST!

[relhall]

Hi all ~

I will be listing this for sale on OfferUp but want to give any fellow enthusiasts the option to purchase with a discount.

It is custom built (by me) from parts of TriStar, Oreck, Miele and others. New motor in TriStar, new cord, switch deleted to remote in handle, variable speed control in handle for "powerhead".

It is more powerful than anything you can imagine as the powerhead retains the Oreck direct-suction fan. Words cannot describe further.

I have used and enjoyed but am ready to pass along. It will be serviced and cleaned - ready for use or display

Let me know if you're interested. Pricing will depend on interest (just being honest) but will entertain anything over $500.

I will deduct the shipping amount from the final sales price on OfferUp for y'all ~

 

[lesinutah]

Hey

I'll throw this out there. I have a c9 compact. I use a Wessell werk power nozzle. I'd say $275 for everything. I'm not being cocky but this vacuum wouldn't hold a candle to c9 with Wessell werk 360. It's a nice machine but customized compacts won't get you north of $500. I wish you luck.
Les

 

[tolivac]

Is that an Oreck vacuum being used as a powernozzle?Tried one of those Oreck vacuums at the local vac shop-bet it would make a good powernozzle for any canister you can fit it on!

 

[relhall]

Lol ... I forget who's show this is ... and I do apologize if my post came across as a challenge.

It was indeed an Oreck. My (now retired) LW1500 Magnesium. I considered several options on this one but felt just swapping the powerhead config was elementary. This option required custom building a hose to attach to the TriStar using a Miele as a donor. This allowed use of the Miele wand which just happened to fit (almost) perfectly into the swivel attachment for the Magnesium fan housing. The hose handle then got butchered, removing the switch to allow for the Magnesium's switch with hi/low and off control as well as a new on/off for the main unit. The handle could use a little more finessing but ... it's so cool I started using it and never made it back to the bench with that guy. Others in the works

Thanks for checking it out ~

 

[blackheart]

Points for creativity!

I've seen people stick old style Orecks on vacuums as power nozzles but this is the first time i've seen someone use a magnesium for one, and modding the hose to accept the controls. It's an interesting combination.
It most likely does outclean the C9 with a wessel nozzle. With it having a new motor, a 35mm hose which would give it a slight edge in airflow and then we have the Direct air motor which normally produces around 70 cfm and a nozzle opening that's fairly small meaning there would be a high airflow density.

It would be interesting to test this unit. I'm going to guess that we must have a nozzle airflow of 85CFM. I've rambled on long enough, best of luck selling it!

 

[huskyvacs]

I agree with Blackheart, this is a well thought-out and carefully planned custom vacuum, and not just "lets stick a bunch of vacuum parts together and hope it works". It looks presentable too with a uniform color tone and modern palette. I hope you have good luck in selling it!

 

[relhall]

Thanks guys!

 

[Deleted member 1090]

Wow ! Very nice creativity vacuum there mate best of luck !
It must be a beast of a machine !

 

[relhall]

Currently out on loan - not sure what he wants with it but I'll pause selling this one until …

 

[lesinutah]

Blackheart

Please explain reasoning.
The 2 speed TriStar motor is not as powerful as c9 motor.
Wessell werk power nozzle by design no hair catching as roller has belt on the side. I imagine the oreck would be restricted to wiring and have 2 amps the Wessell werk is 2.5 amps. It's my opinion Wessell werk is best power nozzle out there.
So c9 has more power and Wessell werk has more power. The only think the newer TriStar may filter better but that doesn't effect performance.
The magnfesium looks cool but get a riccar suprapubic instead of underwhelming version.
I'd say use riccar with lifetime brush. If you dio this I'd say you gave a chance but c9 setuo is tried and true with knowb results and oreck we already know is underwhelming vacuum.
Les

 

[Deleted member 1090]

The C9 and 2 speed Tristar motor are pretty close together in terms of power id say .Being that both vacuum have the same filters and and bag design so it be a close match . (Tristar, they used 7.5 amp Ametek motors that pulled 90" Waterlift, & that includes both single speed & 2 speed models.) none the less this is a wonderful example on a modern twist of a tristar vacuum must be a beast .
So your C9 whit German power head might be good, but it does not have the on off switch on the handle and speed control on the handle ,like this one does so i think you can appreciate this one being customize .Whit out tutting your own horn no one is attacking you or saying your c9 ,is not good but, lest appreciate this one craftsmanship .

 

[blackheart]

Okay

the C9 is an older model the tristar is newer typically they put stronger motors in their models as time goes on. From what I can tell the c9 was produces in the 70s and the CXL/DXL Line was introduced in the 90s. I'd find it hard to believe that they wouldn't change the motor in a 20 year span It also has a new motor meaning it's running at the peak of it's performance.
The tristar is not 2 speed the oreck is.
The oreck is a 4 amp machine and I doubt the wiring is incapable of supporting that while most hoses are rated for 2 or 2.5 amps, this doesn't mean it's the cap for them.

Then as stated above we have a slightly larger diameter hose over the normal which grants an airflow advantage. The Direct air fan will also give it an advantage in flow. The oreck's smaller nozzle also concentrates said flow. The Magnesium's brushes are actually pretty stiff too so yes I do believe this setup will outperform what you've described.

 

[blackheart]

Whoops

the CXL was introduced in 1982 I guess

 

[Deleted member 1090]

There was a 2 speed tristat cxl canister vacuum in red .like this pictured this one was a 2 speed ok.

 

[blackheart]

Ah-ha!

I was aware of the 2 speed models I was stating that Robert's model is not one of them.

So I learned a few things today I was wrong AGAIN on the year. The production year for the CXL was 1989-1992 the DXL ran from 1993-1998 these numbers came from a tristar...supplier. The 1982 date was pulled from the forum

The other thing I learned is that the CXL/DXL does outperform the C9, how did I reach this conclusion? By watching Alex's (vacuumdevil) video on his C9 Where working a working waterlift and a sealed suction test were done. Now I see about 32-34 for working and about 60 for sealed. So i got out my working waterlift guage and performed my own tests on my DXL I got about 60 for working and 88 for sealed. Thank you for performing those test Alex you saved me some time.

The motor in my DXL is 116884-49 and looking back at my CXL's numbers it should share the motor.

 

[Deleted member 1090]

Oooh ok yes this cxl is a single speed indeed ok gotcha i read wrong .
Yes the C9 is great 38 and 60 are good numbers . gotcha

 

[lesinutah]

Hey

The motor in my compact is brand new top performing Motor. The TriStar motor might be a little more powerful I was not aware.
Ill but that but the light soft bristles on oreck and I seen one a week ago 3.5 amps. Wessell werk is made by sebo. They have numerous issues. The oreck is not going to touch sebos Wessell werk. Sebo is far
Superior quality.
That being said maybe more power but with cleaning ability I give edge to my setup.
I think oreck is coolest design.
The royal has 12 amps and outperformed by compact.
You know this. It's my opinion and this is only such setup.
I don't know I'll agree to disagree.
Thanks for debate and education.
Where can you get a cheap water lift gauge.
Les

 

[blackheart]

A few things.

Firstly, I apologize for the highjacking of the thread this has gone way off topic.

What's the motor's number? the one I typically see for tristars is the 116311-01
116311-01 94 CFM 91.2"
116884-49 115 CFM 96.4"

Have you owned or even used a magnesium? I have. an RS model like the one used in the monster machine above. I remember the brushes being stiff on them

Wessel Werk is NOT made by Sebo, I have no idea where you got that from. If that were the case don't you think we'd see wessel werk nozzles on Sebo? Now wessel does produce the powerheads for Miele, as well as many other brands, like Hyla, Pro aqua, Patriot, vortech force, ETC.

 

[relhall]

No apologies needed.
You guys are (mostly) awesome!

I don't recall the part number used for the suction motor though I did squeeze in the biggest I could get my hands on, and it required a little finagling to get it in there. Having access to any motor on the market, I am certain there is no room for improvement here without major body modifications to the aluminum/mag shell.

I recall a thread where someone stuck a Miele motor in a TriStar and I thought that was great, but having been done already I felt like going a different route.

Thoughts of the Volt nozzle came across my mind but seemed unnecessary given that the hose was powered.

It was all just for fun. Anything is possible in my mind; turning that into a concrete working machine while keeping the aesthetics clean was the goal.

While it is not a "prototype" it certainly has gotten some attention. Good or bad - it's all the same to me

 

[lesinutah]

Wow

Take offense I said agree to disagree. My model was 01. I thought sebo made power heads
Oreck yes I've used a magnesium a platinum a Halo and another. One thing stood out how crappy they performed.
The magnesium is sweet looking but ever oreck I have tried older uprights just mentioned light weight ones. You can like them doesn't mean I have to. I did ask about water lift gauge but your too focused on being right. I seen the motor differences in your post.
Have you used a manesium power head. I guarantee too you haven't. I prefer my setup. I didn't say you were wrong I like my setup.
So read my posts like I have read yours. The claims of TriStar can be backed up but until you use a magnesium as a power head saying it's better than Wessell werk is opinion that you can't have.
I hope you understand opinions. I never tried magnesium power head. I also can have an opinion I can't back up saying which anything other than I'd prefer not to test or use one.
So we got the air cleared just because my opinion different from yours does mean either of us is wrong or entitled to our own opinions. So get off your I am right your an idiot kick.
Thanks for info on power nozzles.
If you are going to try to out smart or better my posts don't bother.
Les

 

[Deleted member 1090]

All in all yo uboth took your vacuum and made some improvement .This is the 1 tristar cxl i see whit on off on the hose sweet set up!

 

[kirbylux77]

Robert, that looks like a very nice TriStar! And interesting mix of parts you used to make the Oreck Magnesium powerhead work.

There's only one thing I would have done differently though - I would have used a Miracle Mate canister instead of a TriStar CXL. Looking back at canister vacuum history, when Airway tried adding a Eureka F&G upright as a powerhead for their canisters in the 1970's, the bags they used clogged quickly & couldn't handle the additional airflow & dirt the fan in the Eureka powerhead brought up. I would only imagine with the TriStar's single ply bags, that would be even worse. Even if you used the EnviroCare micro filtration TriStar bag, or the V.A.C. Vacuum America Clean HEPA Cloth TriStar bag, it wouldn't really improve the vacuum maintaining it's airflow much better. Even the Simplicity Wonder & Riccar Prima Tandem Air canister vacuums would have the exact same issue with the bag clogging prematurely & the vacuum not being able to maintain it's airflow, since the Tacony bags are only 3 ply HEPA Cloth & therefore inferior.

With the Miracle Mate having a tube on the bag door, it's possible to use a cardboard bag top with a Original Miele GN Airclean bag. Since that 9 ply bag DOES allow the vacuum it's in to maintain it's airflow right till the bag is 3/4 full. That would solve the problem that Airway had, & make the combo of a Miracle Mate with the Oreck Magnesium powerhead a REAL Cleaning Beast! . In addition, if you blocked off the 2 little side panels that hold the smaller TechnoStat filters so you use only the large panel, you could use the Miele Super Air Clean filter that comes with the pack of bags, so the exhaust air is filtered, & you wouldn't have to add the Filter Fresh filter the TriStar uses, or the Patriot Medik Aire HEPA Filter, so no additional expense for filters.

As much as I really like my TriStar CXL & I love the styling, hose, powerhead & tools, due to the issue they have with the bags clogging I will eventually sell the canister & upgrade to a Miracle Mate canister myself. Sad to say it, but this is a advantage the competition has.

Rob

 

[lesinutah]

Sad

I have looked at all the compact clones from Patriot, vortech force and miracle mate. I do believe the miracle mate is the best of the bunch. It's odd how TriStar hasn't done much if anything to improve the design. I'm not for oreck albeit it's a sweet looking vacuum. Miracle mate from what I've seen is the superior vacuum.
Les

 

[relhall]

As a former TriStar salesman, recruiter, trainer and office manager I can assure you that I am familiar with the various nozzles I could have used. I have used virtually all of them. I chose not to use any of them because, again, elementary.

While there is no perfect vacuum this thing is amazing.

Too many opinions and not enough people doing things with them.

Not looking to out-do Master Les or challenge anyone else but I appreciate (most of) the feedback.

I have found a better bag and stopped using paper long ago. Just cut an Oreck HEPA bag in half and drop it in. Ain't hard.

In addition, I do not have allergies and am not concerned about the microscopic particulates that may escape (ie carbon dust) so this keeps it simple.

MM is too ugly for even me to fix so that guy is out of the question - sorry. Aesthetics are important (to me).

Thanks for (most of) you chiming in!

Go make something and show me what you've got ~

 

[kirbylux77]

Robert, I would agree with you on the looks of the Miracle Mate. I don't think it's ugly per se, but the TriStar CXL is definitely better looking & I like it's retro look better. Also, the short cord on the Miracle Mate's cord rewinder is annoying - only thing you could do about that is to use a extension cord with it. And the first version of the Miracle Mate had the power switch in the back, covered by a kick switch. Not nearly as convenient as the TriStar or later Miracle Mate.

As for the filtration though, I still say that's one advantage that doing up a Miracle Mate instead of a TriStar would have a advantage. Don't forget now, the reason for this post was you were selling this vacuum. If you put that in a vac shop for sale as a used vacuum, consumers nowadays DO care about filtration. The fact that the Miele AirClean bags do filter so well, plus the Super Air Clean filter is included with the bags, has zero cost, & is very effective, would give it a edge over the TriStar in the minds of most consumers.

I appreciate you having good results using a Oreck upright HEPA Cloth bag in your TriStar. I personally have used a Kenmore 5055 HEPA Cloth bag in my TriStar, & know others have used a Numatic Henry bag, but I personally have found that while the Kenmore bag improved filtration signifigantly, it did not improve the TriStar's ability to maintain it's airflow or suction much better over time. In the setup you have there with the Oreck Magnesium powerhead having it's own fan & making it a Tandem Air setup, with it pushing air & dirt into the hose & wands, the bag's ability to resist clogging & allow the cleaner to maintain airflow would be CRUCIAL to the vacuum cleaning to the best of it's ability. While the Oreck, Kenmore & Numatic Henry bags would be good at filtration, compared to the Miele AirClean bag, ALL other bags are inferior. For the time being, the Miele AirClean bag is TRULY SUPERIOR, & the best choice to use in any vacuum that can be modified to use them.

If the looks of the vacuum mattered so much, you could try using a Patriot vacuum instead. But, unlike the Miracle Mate which has it's bag door tube in the middle of the bag door & is straight, the Patriot's bag door tube points at a downward angle & would require modification to not only the Miele bag collar but the bag door tube. In addition, the Miele Super Air Clean filters could not be used, & the Patriot's Medik Aire HEPA filter is VERY pricey - $200 - so if trying to sell it, the replacement cost of the filter would be a deterrent to most consumers considering to buy the vacuum.

Rob

 

[relhall]

Rob ~

You are a rockstar. I love your passion and attention to detail.

Truly.


I really don’t expect anyone to use this as their primary vac; more a conversation piece ... but one never knows. It certainly got a conversation going here



Robert Hall

 

[lesinutah]

Hey

I understand after remark to first post it wasn't who has tougher vacuum. I will say you are very intelligent. Everyone has there own tastes I thought c9 had more airflow and amps I was misinformed. I just said my preference to black heart. To each his own. Very creative.
Les

 

[lesinutah]

Master les

You are going for aesthetics not performance. I go for function not aestetics. The magnesium is very asthetically pleasing. I will say a miracle mate, TriStar or Patriot aren't aestetiycally pleasing. They are the power behind the power nozzle. I could put a shark rocket nozzle head on. If your using an oreck get an electroluxx or royal cylinder cannister vacuum there more aestetiycally pleasing.
I guess you calling people out with only a power nozzle from an oreck aestetiycally pleasing build it on aestetics not functionality. Orecks are trash I don't care if they win a fashion show it's a vacuum not a beauty contest. I'd get royal blue power tank from late 90s and a late 2000s riccar Supra lite 10 with forever belt metal brush roll. It would look good and function just as well. There is no power in there vacuums to make a power nozzle. They are carpet fluffer barely better than a broom. He should have stuck to making lightweight carpet sweepers for older generation trying to be futuristic in design and still have a crap motor did him in.
I know people who sold iec and tristars. If a vacuum was sold door to door or in a vacuum shop I know someone who sold or owned vacuum shop.
The pig vacuum is not pretty. It will get the job done better than most. Orecks are I mean we're just above plastic vacs. They were lightweight and functional. That was there bread and butter. He changed his recipe and oreck folded. Interstate the original is made by miracle mate, girbaldi, REI in California, TriStar USA and trisar Canada and aerus Electrolux all derived from compact. They are all spin offs and they other than girbaldi Italian version are true cleaning machines.
To say miracle mate isn't aestetic when your using a TriStar with oreck is funny. The pigs are pigs there not pretty. Orecks are pretty but are not made to hold up and wistand use over any period of time. I find it funny a pig vacuum is ugly but another is appealing is funny. Pigs are pigs they all ugly. Maybe you should find a better looking companion for oreck maybe a Dyson animal would be appeal aestetiycally to you. Just don't try to win a vacuum contest on looks.
I am not outing anyone well maybe oreck homers but a pig is a pig is a pig. To call one pig cute and another ugly when your basing looks on a pig and an oreck instead of a pig and an oreck is quite funny.
Vacuuming and functionality are what I go for. Take the space age looking grandma vacuum and a pig and the grandma vacuum will break down mid race.
Just because you can connect 2 wires from a vacuum to two wires on another vacuum doesn't make you a genius. Connecting wires from one well built machine to another well built machine doesn't mean anyone's a genius. Calling people out for not having a beautiful turd that's dumb. It's a turd I can make a beautiful turd doesn't mean I'm going to waste my time and make one.
I'm done ranting I'm not out doing anyone and you shouldn't be either.
Les

 

[relhall]

Les ~

That's enough out of you. You make constant assumptions and come across as completely ignorant in most cases. I am HAPPY to be the one to tell you that.

The POS you are referring to was custom built from brand new parts as a proof of concept and is one of a kind.

The Magnesium you are referring to was a $700 vacuum (of which I own two) - never saw the "trash" and that TriStar would whoop your ass.

There is little if any spray paint on the Kirby. I do not know where you got that idea. That is hours of polishing and applications of layers silver buffed in to the plastic with custom pieces all over.

I am not even sure what a "troll" is but for you to call me that is offensive on the highest level. Especially coming from you, TROLL.

If anyone should stop posting it is you. sir. You have little if anything to offer. I have read - or TRIED to read- your posts and you simply have no idea of what you are saying the majority of the time though you love to say whatever comes to you little mind using whatever words you know whether they make sense or not.

I have kindly avoided this until now but YOU, sir, are the one that needs a hobby. In fact, I am an artist. In fact I do have an exhibit of art. I also have over 20 years of experience in the vacuum industry which has allowed me to be creative. I have sold my vacuums before and will sell these, too!

Shut your freaking hole. Stop posting your opinions. GET A LIFE and don't believe everything you know. Go back to school. Stop hijacking people's threads. Stop drinking or smoking whatever it is you are.

There are doctors out there that can help you. GO FIND ONE - STAT.

I realize this will likely get removed and perhaps me banned but it is quite worth it for me to let you know how most of us feel about you, damn it.

Once this is gone I will make another account just to come back and post this to you and bash anything you have to say about anyone else in the future.

GO TO BED. I am serious. You are the worst of the worst. Your insecurities are written all over your posts.

I have no respect for you.


No one who knows me would ever say something like that to me. YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE.

FUCK YOU LES, FROM ALL OF US.


Sincerely, Robert