The BEAST!

[relhall]

Hi all ~

I will be listing this for sale on OfferUp but want to give any fellow enthusiasts the option to purchase with a discount.

It is custom built (by me) from parts of TriStar, Oreck, Miele and others. New motor in TriStar, new cord, switch deleted to remote in handle, variable speed control in handle for "powerhead".

It is more powerful than anything you can imagine as the powerhead retains the Oreck direct-suction fan. Words cannot describe further.

I have used and enjoyed but am ready to pass along. It will be serviced and cleaned - ready for use or display

Let me know if you're interested. Pricing will depend on interest (just being honest) but will entertain anything over $500.

I will deduct the shipping amount from the final sales price on OfferUp for y'all ~

 

[lesinutah]

Hey

I'll throw this out there. I have a c9 compact. I use a Wessell werk power nozzle. I'd say $275 for everything. I'm not being cocky but this vacuum wouldn't hold a candle to c9 with Wessell werk 360. It's a nice machine but customized compacts won't get you north of $500. I wish you luck.
Les

 

[tolivac]

Is that an Oreck vacuum being used as a powernozzle?Tried one of those Oreck vacuums at the local vac shop-bet it would make a good powernozzle for any canister you can fit it on!

 

[relhall]

Lol ... I forget who's show this is ... and I do apologize if my post came across as a challenge.

It was indeed an Oreck. My (now retired) LW1500 Magnesium. I considered several options on this one but felt just swapping the powerhead config was elementary. This option required custom building a hose to attach to the TriStar using a Miele as a donor. This allowed use of the Miele wand which just happened to fit (almost) perfectly into the swivel attachment for the Magnesium fan housing. The hose handle then got butchered, removing the switch to allow for the Magnesium's switch with hi/low and off control as well as a new on/off for the main unit. The handle could use a little more finessing but ... it's so cool I started using it and never made it back to the bench with that guy. Others in the works

Thanks for checking it out ~

 

[blackheart]

Points for creativity!

I've seen people stick old style Orecks on vacuums as power nozzles but this is the first time i've seen someone use a magnesium for one, and modding the hose to accept the controls. It's an interesting combination.
It most likely does outclean the C9 with a wessel nozzle. With it having a new motor, a 35mm hose which would give it a slight edge in airflow and then we have the Direct air motor which normally produces around 70 cfm and a nozzle opening that's fairly small meaning there would be a high airflow density.

It would be interesting to test this unit. I'm going to guess that we must have a nozzle airflow of 85CFM. I've rambled on long enough, best of luck selling it!

 

[huskyvacs]

I agree with Blackheart, this is a well thought-out and carefully planned custom vacuum, and not just "lets stick a bunch of vacuum parts together and hope it works". It looks presentable too with a uniform color tone and modern palette. I hope you have good luck in selling it!

 

[relhall]

Thanks guys!

 

[compactc9guy]

Wow ! Very nice creativity vacuum there mate best of luck !
It must be a beast of a machine !

 

[relhall]

Currently out on loan - not sure what he wants with it but I'll pause selling this one until …

 

[lesinutah]

Blackheart

Please explain reasoning.
The 2 speed TriStar motor is not as powerful as c9 motor.
Wessell werk power nozzle by design no hair catching as roller has belt on the side. I imagine the oreck would be restricted to wiring and have 2 amps the Wessell werk is 2.5 amps. It's my opinion Wessell werk is best power nozzle out there.
So c9 has more power and Wessell werk has more power. The only think the newer TriStar may filter better but that doesn't effect performance.
The magnfesium looks cool but get a riccar suprapubic instead of underwhelming version.
I'd say use riccar with lifetime brush. If you dio this I'd say you gave a chance but c9 setuo is tried and true with knowb results and oreck we already know is underwhelming vacuum.
Les

 

[compactc9guy]

The C9 and 2 speed Tristar motor are pretty close together in terms of power id say .Being that both vacuum have the same filters and and bag design so it be a close match . (Tristar, they used 7.5 amp Ametek motors that pulled 90" Waterlift, & that includes both single speed & 2 speed models.) none the less this is a wonderful example on a modern twist of a tristar vacuum must be a beast .
So your C9 whit German power head might be good, but it does not have the on off switch on the handle and speed control on the handle ,like this one does so i think you can appreciate this one being customize .Whit out tutting your own horn no one is attacking you or saying your c9 ,is not good but, lest appreciate this one craftsmanship .

 

[blackheart]

Okay

the C9 is an older model the tristar is newer typically they put stronger motors in their models as time goes on. From what I can tell the c9 was produces in the 70s and the CXL/DXL Line was introduced in the 90s. I'd find it hard to believe that they wouldn't change the motor in a 20 year span It also has a new motor meaning it's running at the peak of it's performance.
The tristar is not 2 speed the oreck is.
The oreck is a 4 amp machine and I doubt the wiring is incapable of supporting that while most hoses are rated for 2 or 2.5 amps, this doesn't mean it's the cap for them.

Then as stated above we have a slightly larger diameter hose over the normal which grants an airflow advantage. The Direct air fan will also give it an advantage in flow. The oreck's smaller nozzle also concentrates said flow. The Magnesium's brushes are actually pretty stiff too so yes I do believe this setup will outperform what you've described.

 

[blackheart]

Whoops

the CXL was introduced in 1982 I guess

 

[compactc9guy]

There was a 2 speed tristat cxl canister vacuum in red .like this pictured this one was a 2 speed ok.

 

[blackheart]

Ah-ha!

I was aware of the 2 speed models I was stating that Robert's model is not one of them.

So I learned a few things today I was wrong AGAIN on the year. The production year for the CXL was 1989-1992 the DXL ran from 1993-1998 these numbers came from a tristar...supplier. The 1982 date was pulled from the forum

The other thing I learned is that the CXL/DXL does outperform the C9, how did I reach this conclusion? By watching Alex's (vacuumdevil) video on his C9 Where working a working waterlift and a sealed suction test were done. Now I see about 32-34 for working and about 60 for sealed. So i got out my working waterlift guage and performed my own tests on my DXL I got about 60 for working and 88 for sealed. Thank you for performing those test Alex you saved me some time.

The motor in my DXL is 116884-49 and looking back at my CXL's numbers it should share the motor.

 

[compactc9guy]

Oooh ok yes this cxl is a single speed indeed ok gotcha i read wrong .
Yes the C9 is great 38 and 60 are good numbers . gotcha

 

[lesinutah]

Hey

The motor in my compact is brand new top performing Motor. The TriStar motor might be a little more powerful I was not aware.
Ill but that but the light soft bristles on oreck and I seen one a week ago 3.5 amps. Wessell werk is made by sebo. They have numerous issues. The oreck is not going to touch sebos Wessell werk. Sebo is far
Superior quality.
That being said maybe more power but with cleaning ability I give edge to my setup.
I think oreck is coolest design.
The royal has 12 amps and outperformed by compact.
You know this. It's my opinion and this is only such setup.
I don't know I'll agree to disagree.
Thanks for debate and education.
Where can you get a cheap water lift gauge.
Les

 

[blackheart]

A few things.

Firstly, I apologize for the highjacking of the thread this has gone way off topic.

What's the motor's number? the one I typically see for tristars is the 116311-01
116311-01 94 CFM 91.2"
116884-49 115 CFM 96.4"

Have you owned or even used a magnesium? I have. an RS model like the one used in the monster machine above. I remember the brushes being stiff on them

Wessel Werk is NOT made by Sebo, I have no idea where you got that from. If that were the case don't you think we'd see wessel werk nozzles on Sebo? Now wessel does produce the powerheads for Miele, as well as many other brands, like Hyla, Pro aqua, Patriot, vortech force, ETC.

 

[relhall]

No apologies needed.
You guys are (mostly) awesome!

I don't recall the part number used for the suction motor though I did squeeze in the biggest I could get my hands on, and it required a little finagling to get it in there. Having access to any motor on the market, I am certain there is no room for improvement here without major body modifications to the aluminum/mag shell.

I recall a thread where someone stuck a Miele motor in a TriStar and I thought that was great, but having been done already I felt like going a different route.

Thoughts of the Volt nozzle came across my mind but seemed unnecessary given that the hose was powered.

It was all just for fun. Anything is possible in my mind; turning that into a concrete working machine while keeping the aesthetics clean was the goal.

While it is not a "prototype" it certainly has gotten some attention. Good or bad - it's all the same to me