Sebo X4 Not Working

[hi-loswitch98]

1)The hose to be long so you don't have to add an extension hose just to do stairs.

2)There to be more than 1 extension tube, the one on the machine is not able to reach up into ceiling corners.

3)For the hose not to pop out of the extension tube when you are trying to use it.

4) The Computer Controlled Height Adjustment to make it's choice & to stay with it, not suddenly decide to raise the brush up on a low pile carpet.

5)The Computer Height Adjustment to automatically sense wooden flooring & turn the brushroll off, same when you stand it upright.

6) The smaller cleaning tools to be a 35mm fitting so you don't have to purchase genuine ones which cost a fair bit.

These are just minor niggles, would be nice to see them done to the vacuum but it's OK as it is, just how they haven't thought about above floor cleaning as much.

 

[sebo_fan]

The X series was designed as a semi-commercial domestic model and at that time on the market SEBO wanted to keep things simple and didn't have a brush roll on/off function. They've since updated their 370 commercial upright to have a brush roll on/off function, so I guess its only a matter of time before that may happen on the X series.

As for the other things;

2) An extension straight tube is available, but its a cost optional part and fixes onto the bottom of the hoister wand or can be used with the hose alone. Again SEBO wanted to keep it simple and so only added a single extension wand to the design with the hoister handle added. If you want to clean ceilings, you can if you add the long crevice tool to the end of the hoister wand - but I know what you mean.

3) The hose shouldn't pop out of the extension hose - it may be an old hose or an old hoister wand as there is a press release button to unlock the hose from the hoister wand.

4) The sensor compensates for brush roll wear as well as sensing carpet nap, hence the reason for it go up and down all the time. It used to annoy the hell out of me but then its a really lightweight machine to push and pull after the heavy action of other brands like Hoover's TP2 and 3 uprights.

5) Again the age of the machine doesn't have a brush roll on/off, though like all SEBO uprights, the brush roll will stop if there's a jam and can be switched off (remove the clog) and switch back on again without any cool down time needed.

6) The 35MM tools fit ALL other SEBO ranges - and they can be cheap to source dependent on what you are willing to put up with; new or second hand - really depends on the time of sourcing and online auction sites.

The X4 also has optional tools other than the straight tube extension and the extension hose - they used to sell a kit that included that and the large dusting brush with a clamp. The larger dust brush is far better than the smaller one that JL usually sell alongside as the bristles don't get sucked in as much and do the job.

 

[sebo_fan]

The things Id like to see are:

1) Same hoister wand but with the lightweight telescopic height adjustable plastic & metal suction tube that the same K series has, that way the telescopic height bottom tube can be adjusted for extra height and reach.

2) Brush roll on/off function like the Felix.

3) A Variable suction slider like the Felix.

4) More spaces available for optional tools to store onto.

 

[sebo_fan]

Also, this is a fab video for the Windsor series in the U.S, though the music is a bit like porno music of the 1980s : )

 

[hi-loswitch98]

Thanks, Sebo_fan, are you sure your OK?

 

[sebo_fan]

What do you mean??

 

[hi-loswitch98]

You've gone a bit loose recently. For example, putting smiles on the end of comments. Unless you always used to do that. Plus what would you know porno music sounds like LOL . Just kidding.

 

[madaboutsebo]

Thanks sebo_fan for the insight into Sebo background of entering the UK domestic market and in store demonstrator. Starting to obtain more info on Sebo history thanks to your knowledge. I see what you mean about Currys beginning the last to stock Sebo like you say they don't stock the accessories like John Lewis.

Interesting to see yours and hi-loswitch98 views on what you like to improve on the X Series more or less what I would like to see too. I wish I had got an X Series over my Miele S7, I do like it but found myself using my Felix more than the S7!

 

[madaboutsebo]

Glad to hear your enjoying using your Sebo X4 hi-loswitch98 now you've fitted a new bag and filter!

 

[sebo_fan]

Thank you but Actually mad - you should check out the profile of another member on here who has plenty more SEBO uprights than I do and other info - ryry_87 - he has a few vintage SEBO commercial uprights. See http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?17090
You will also see a clear SEBO X4 - this is made in the U.S with the components shipped over Germany - SEBO won't do a European version as they feel the acrylic isn't well made and only use that model for promo purposes.

Generally, as a classic Hoover fan I was a bit dismayed when I began to research the SEBO company in the mid 1990s as there was very little info about the company until they started to put their websites online and Canada was one of the first countries outside Europe to feature a SEBO website compared to the U.S company site that took a few years to catch up. Certainly, the SEBO brand is known more worldwide with its commercial uprights than the domestic market, but the brand are steadily becoming more recognised, not just by collectors, reviewers and such like, but also by other sites online.

Generally the company appear conservative to me, but that's only because they are a small company compared to all the big brands. Thus, waiting for new models to appear is a bit like waiting for lost time. What appeals to me greatly about SEBO is the same with Dyson - both are clearly engineer and design based as opposed to just trying to make a fast buck. I also had a Miele S7 for a while, they're nicely designed but far too big and bulky and the Felix is a smaller and far more controllable. The only things they have in common are the variable suction control, brush roll on/off and the swivel action. SEBO would do well to offer the suction control and brush roll on/off on their next X series, if there is to be a new X series.

Hi-Lo - well sometimes I like putting smiles at the end of sentences - as for porno music - well as a music student in the 1990s I already HAD to play cheesy keyboard with a 4 piece band for adult nature videos - but the less said about that, the better!

 

[hi-loswitch98]

Oh right I see.

 

[madaboutsebo]

Great thanks sebo_fan - Ryan for the link to ryry_87 will check that out. I've seen a picture and YouTube video of the clear X4 looks cool! Vintage Sebo vacuums look forward to seeing them! Before I found SEBO I was a fanatical Dyson fan although I still like to follow what James Dyson and his engineers are up to just don't own any dyson vacs anymore. I remember the UK SEBO website before the current one we have now. I use to watch the video on the X Series and the K Series quite a lot!

Yes I see where your coming from suppose they do come across conservative, that's how I perceive SEBO like Dyson an Engineering and Design base company but not on the scale as the others! I would love to see an update X Series with variable power and brush bar on/off longer hose. I like SEBO hoses as they are flexible but not over stretchy. Although my Classic Felix hose is not as not as stretchy as other Felix's I've seen in the shops or the extension hose I have! I don't think I would want them
To change the top hose design on the X Series I know lots don't like it when I read reviews on line but the X and Felix have one of the most straight and simple dirt flow paths to the bag compare with others!

Be interesting what SEBO will do if these news EU laws come in with regards to restricting motor wattage! I do think SEBO are cheap to maintain part wise and easy to maintain easy user maintenance too!

 

[sebo_fan]

Ty. Well Its always good to share opinions and info. I don't think Sebo would find it difficult if that law comes in - when you consider the X1 Automatic was low enough with 850 watts, there's nothing stopping SEBO from doing the same again, though I think they should adopt digital motors or consider something in between if it is possible. In their eyes they already have two low-power X series with different motor powers that satisfy most eco-led buyers with the X1.1 (1150watts) and of course the X4. The X5 is an interesting one - bigger foot/L shape like the Felix but too big for me but still has 1300 watts of power, as with the Felix upright.

SEBO did have a K1 Eco on the UK market under the "Cappuccino" name but it didn't sell in big numbers with 1500 watts maximum. Apparently some owners didn't find it powerful enough. I also have an old C2 cylinder vacuum with the 1500 watt motor and uses the same dust bag as the X series, thus yet again cutting costs when it comes to bags. I find the power is enough from the C2, so can't really understand why the K1 Eco isn't that popular. I've yet to try the Eco version but the K series is a really good compact cylinder vacuum - the only downside for me is the rather daft pull-pull cord rewind as it lacks a pedal and the slightest pull on the cord weakens the plug and the cord reeler over a period of time.

SEBO's new bigger cylinder vac, the D series is a good one but only suitable for homes that require the 12 metre cord length. SEBO are intentionally just sticking to their guns where their smaller variety of cylinder vacs are concerned - for the moment. In Germany and other countries, there appear to be a few more models that we don't get here.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

Well I heard by next year it has to be 1600w max then in 2017 900w max but hopefully companys such as Vax, Hoover & whoever else are able to bring out better designed vacuums, hopefully end all of the single cyclone pleated filter type vacs & put some thought into them. Quite a few vacs are lower wattage these days, such as the Sebo X4, which is 1300w, that prooves that a lower power motor can still pick up more than say a Hoover Dust Manager Upright, which has a 2200w motor, but apparently needs that to get acceptable pick up.

I hope that by cutting the power wattage, companies will bring some thing new to the table.

 

[sebo_fan]

Where did you hear that info from regarding the 1600 watts?

The lower wattage doesn't necessarily cover "filter design" though - brands will continue to churn out the paper cones as long as it is profitable - and on the basis that Vax are the number one brand who continually churn out those filters, the business makes sense to keep making money from that score.

Eventually consumers or owners may well begin to see the downsides of these filters, but for these hard times where buyers continually want a new product rather than second hand, the advent of having a single cyclonic paper pleated cone filter is a small disadvantage if the uprights or cylinders continually get lighter to hold or push as well as more tools.

 

[madaboutsebo]

Certainly is good to share views opinions and info its great to speak to other SEBO owners/fans too!

True SEBO shouldn't have any issues with using lower watt motors as you say as there uprights don't use overly big motors anyway! Imagine a X series with a digital motor!

I didn't realise SEBO had an Eco K Series out in the UK once. I do like both the K and D cylinders/canisters even though I'm more of an upright person! I just like the simplicity and ease of use but effective cleaning of the SEBO vacuums!

I read on the web that uprights without tools to have 500 or 600 watts and uprights with tools onboard and cylinders/canisters will have 700 watts think by 2017 if I remember right! I know some people don't think this is a good move especially for people that have dust allergies. I think it makes the manufacturers think more about design and technology to push the bounderies to get great performance from using lower consumption!

 

[sebo_fan]

Well it worked for Hoover and Electrolux through the 1970s even if they kept selling on "more power". These days the dust bags no longer leak as much dust as the thin ply paper types and things have moved on where sealed suction is concerned. If brands continue to actually make better advancements with sealed suction, better seals all round and a far effective system from the body through to the floor head.

I don't see why cylinder vacuums shouldn't be rated at the same level. Some would argue that cylinders require far more power since they are suction only but I don't think that should be the case. That's one difference with Miele and SEBO cylinders - the Miele hose handle has an air valve located on it whereas the SEBO does not - they reckon that their electronic variable suction control is so low anyway, there's no need to have an air outlet valve that effectively loses suction and the very presence of it can wear over time.

For me it is all about the lightweightness of some of SEBO's models and their general design - the K1 Komfort, Pet and "non power nozzle" fitted models as well as the bigger D series all have longer hoses where I find I'm effectively just using the lighter hose to travel along with plus the lighter handle PLUS SEBO's much lighter 500g tubes that weigh far less than Miele.

And to those who don't like the plastic tube meets metal idea, there's always SEBO's D series tubes that you can buy to replace the set up on the K series, still lighter than Miele's tubes. Or even the older C series tubes that can also be used. That's the thing about SEBO - almost all of their tools and tubes are compatible with the rest of the equivalent range.

But then I also love Miele's design - they offer far more simply because they are a bigger corp.

 

[sebo_fan]

Jon - when and how did you discover your SEBO ?

 

[sebo_fan]

New SEBO X Tool Kit going on EBAY UK. Might order one myself! £60

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEBO-X1-1...Vacuum_Cleaner_Bags_Parts&hash=item2575c29562

 

[madaboutsebo]

Hi Ryan

I first discovered SEBO about 8 years ago after my Aunty told me about her SEBO X4 and how she wanted a commercial graded vacuum that could stand up to pet hair and touch use. Having had so many bagless vacuums (dyson) where hoses split wheels falling off and not coping well with pet hair and only lasting a few years! She is very pleased with it. So I started to look into and research SEBO myself which is where I found my interest in them, and became a big fan! I gathered my own opinions of them from my research.
I have had my SEBO Felix for 6 years now. It told me a while to take the plunge to buy one having been a Dyson fan since the beginning. Also couldn't decide at first if to go for the Felix or X4, a local shop gave me a full demo on both! Even showing me the packed full bag that they had from an X4 to show how well it fills up! I've never looked back! I still tell myself I can't believe I've gone back to using bags!