sebo_fan
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There's a lesson there then - even if it can be sold - its a diamond in the rough!
Sebo X4 Not Working
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madaboutsebo
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That's good then hi-loswitch98, you should find the suction stays like that as the bag fills up! Yeah you probably will make that much. They certainly where that's the problem these days people to quick to throw out and buy new! Least you got lucky hey! They can be as much as £279.99 and £299.99 for the pet version so you have got a very good bargain!
madaboutsebo
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Very true sebo_fan.
sebo_fan
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Generally, the X series is probably one of the better value vacuums out there - I never realised until I started buying the vacuums themselves and the dust bags how much cheaper it was compared to Miele's standard 4 in a box routine. Also, Miele claim that the dust bags of 4.5 litres and 5 litres are big - well, not in my home - I find that I replace more Miele dust bags than necessary in a year compared to the Sebo X which has 5.5 litres by statistic.
Having repaired a few X models, the common filter that requires replacing is the motor filter. The kitchen roll "microfilter" only needs a quick brush down unless it is completely worn through. Low cost is a great SEBO factor where their filters and bags are concerned - in MY experience.
Having repaired a few X models, the common filter that requires replacing is the motor filter. The kitchen roll "microfilter" only needs a quick brush down unless it is completely worn through. Low cost is a great SEBO factor where their filters and bags are concerned - in MY experience.
madaboutsebo
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That's very true I've notice the price difference between the Sebo and Miele in terms of bag prices! I do like the Miele S7 but I wished I'd had goneore for the Sebo X4. I got a reasonable deal when I got the Miele S7 which is why I got one! My Felix is yet to have any new filters after 10 Paper bags although the pre motor filter is looking a bit dirty now but not too bad. Post motor filter just has carbon dust on it from the motor probably replace that soon!
I've noticed SEBO is making more of a presence on the domestic seen with new displays in places like Currys electrical stores; I've noticed they are recruiting for in store demonstrators too for places like John Lewis and Currys. This is a very positive step to them
Promoting the brand more!
I've noticed SEBO is making more of a presence on the domestic seen with new displays in places like Currys electrical stores; I've noticed they are recruiting for in store demonstrators too for places like John Lewis and Currys. This is a very positive step to them
Promoting the brand more!
vintagerepairer
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Demonstrating
For a good deal of years, Dyson has been placing in-store demonstrators in stores with a high foot-full, at weekends. Quite why they do this when customers have come to buy a Dyson anyway goes over my head completely. Above £200, Dyson is still "the" brand. The only competition Dyson has is with the likes of Sebo, and few people who go in with the intention of buying a Dyson will come out with a Sebo.
However, the only customers who Sebo are ever going to poach are current & would-be Dyson owners, so I can see why they are looking for demonstrators. Still, it is a very expensive business, as part-time demonstrators are traditionally very well paid for the work they do, and stores usually receive a financial incentive from the manufacturer too for allowing a demonstrator to be in attendance. Sebo must be expecting to make a lot of new customers from this.
For a good deal of years, Dyson has been placing in-store demonstrators in stores with a high foot-full, at weekends. Quite why they do this when customers have come to buy a Dyson anyway goes over my head completely. Above £200, Dyson is still "the" brand. The only competition Dyson has is with the likes of Sebo, and few people who go in with the intention of buying a Dyson will come out with a Sebo.
However, the only customers who Sebo are ever going to poach are current & would-be Dyson owners, so I can see why they are looking for demonstrators. Still, it is a very expensive business, as part-time demonstrators are traditionally very well paid for the work they do, and stores usually receive a financial incentive from the manufacturer too for allowing a demonstrator to be in attendance. Sebo must be expecting to make a lot of new customers from this.
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Our local BJ'S Electrical store uses an X1.1 to vacuum around the shop with but do have lots on the shelf too.
sebo_fan
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John Lewis were the first to sell SEBO
Jon/madaboutsebo- John Lewis stocked SEBO almost from the very beginning in the UK in the 1990s- it is where you can buy "on the high street" not just the X uprights but also a few Felix models and later on the cylinder vacs, though the uprights are more popular - also John Lewis stock some consumables that CURRYS don't sell - like the extension hose, turbo brushes, replacement hoses - over and above the full filter kits, separate bags and motor filter for the X. Due to John Lewis' previous "never undersold" policy, SEBO buyers were finding cheaper X uprights online elsewhere and presenting the findings to John Lewis who were losing money by having to offer the X series at those lower costs - hence the reason for the X4 EXCEL which is a John Lewis exclusive and therefore at a fixed price.
After John Lewis were pretty much the sole seller for SEBO, Euronics followed suit and then Miller Bros (now bust) were the third stockist to sell SEBO, followed by Co-Op Electrical, Comet, Argos and now Tesco.
CURRYS on the other hand were pretty much the LAST seller offline to offer the SEBO brand. Argos no longer sells SEBO and well of course you know Comet is bust as well.
As for in-store demonstrators, I don't feel that it has much to do with the actual brand - and I'll tell you why - the company don't really need to have them in the first place nowadays. I believe there were more demonstrators from SEBO UK direct in the 1990s when the company arrived at John Lewis but now SEBO concentrate more on their UK website for visitors rather than put in place personnel into every branch. It really comes down to the sales on EACH branch of John Lewis in terms of SEBO sales.
Additionally, a couple of years ago when visiting a Glasgow branch of John Lewis, MY review had been printed up and pasted to the wall where the SEBO uprights were being sold. Did I get any money from it? No? Was I approached from John Lewis or SEBO to use my review? No.
So I called up SEBO and eventually wrote to their managing director who clearly explained that SEBO demonstrators aren't sent from the company themselves, but rather are put into certain stores where the appliances are not selling very well, rather for the point of JOHN LEWIS to maintain that contract with the brand, rather than lose SEBO. SEBO aren't a big company like Miele, but JL have been good for the brand and vice versa.
The only other demo people I've met at JL stores are those for Polti irons, steamers and sometimes demonstrators from Bosch for their wash appliances.
Jon/madaboutsebo- John Lewis stocked SEBO almost from the very beginning in the UK in the 1990s- it is where you can buy "on the high street" not just the X uprights but also a few Felix models and later on the cylinder vacs, though the uprights are more popular - also John Lewis stock some consumables that CURRYS don't sell - like the extension hose, turbo brushes, replacement hoses - over and above the full filter kits, separate bags and motor filter for the X. Due to John Lewis' previous "never undersold" policy, SEBO buyers were finding cheaper X uprights online elsewhere and presenting the findings to John Lewis who were losing money by having to offer the X series at those lower costs - hence the reason for the X4 EXCEL which is a John Lewis exclusive and therefore at a fixed price.
After John Lewis were pretty much the sole seller for SEBO, Euronics followed suit and then Miller Bros (now bust) were the third stockist to sell SEBO, followed by Co-Op Electrical, Comet, Argos and now Tesco.
CURRYS on the other hand were pretty much the LAST seller offline to offer the SEBO brand. Argos no longer sells SEBO and well of course you know Comet is bust as well.
As for in-store demonstrators, I don't feel that it has much to do with the actual brand - and I'll tell you why - the company don't really need to have them in the first place nowadays. I believe there were more demonstrators from SEBO UK direct in the 1990s when the company arrived at John Lewis but now SEBO concentrate more on their UK website for visitors rather than put in place personnel into every branch. It really comes down to the sales on EACH branch of John Lewis in terms of SEBO sales.
Additionally, a couple of years ago when visiting a Glasgow branch of John Lewis, MY review had been printed up and pasted to the wall where the SEBO uprights were being sold. Did I get any money from it? No? Was I approached from John Lewis or SEBO to use my review? No.
So I called up SEBO and eventually wrote to their managing director who clearly explained that SEBO demonstrators aren't sent from the company themselves, but rather are put into certain stores where the appliances are not selling very well, rather for the point of JOHN LEWIS to maintain that contract with the brand, rather than lose SEBO. SEBO aren't a big company like Miele, but JL have been good for the brand and vice versa.
The only other demo people I've met at JL stores are those for Polti irons, steamers and sometimes demonstrators from Bosch for their wash appliances.
sebo_fan
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Demonstrating - it doesn't really pay.
On a separate note Benny, demonstrators put into stores like John Lewis aren't always professionally based, sometimes just being owners who have applied to the brand and have been considered to be placed in stores, where again sales may be flagging. I have spoken to a few demo personnel in the past who admit that the salary isn't that good, though travel is paid for, a base hourly rate ISNT considered, but rather just a small figure of payment to stand all day in a store and repeatedly go over a script of features. Demo personnel don't always have the machines in store (or are given new machines) to demo and often just bring their own to "showcase."
I think with the advent of the internet, it minimises the personnel usage of demo'ing in general. I think stores like Currys and John Lewis that allow customers to try individual models however is a great advantage to keep in place.
I don't however think that SEBO are poaching Dyson buyers any LESS than Miele and other premium brands. How can SEBO do that when the ranges that they have are smaller in variation to what Miele sell?
Dyson's displays though are pretty impressive. I've often spent time trying out the hand helds and being amazed by the quality of the displays and their "toy" like features that allow you to push and prod things. Does it make me want to buy the product from the said feature? No, but it is impressive enough.
Lastly, if there is THREE other brands who continually do have demo personnel, it is to the likes of MAGIMIX food processors, KENWOOD for their Chef and cooking Chef models and Nespresso, especially at John Lewis where there are constant demonstrators around to allow consumers to have a sample of the coffee on offer.
On a separate note Benny, demonstrators put into stores like John Lewis aren't always professionally based, sometimes just being owners who have applied to the brand and have been considered to be placed in stores, where again sales may be flagging. I have spoken to a few demo personnel in the past who admit that the salary isn't that good, though travel is paid for, a base hourly rate ISNT considered, but rather just a small figure of payment to stand all day in a store and repeatedly go over a script of features. Demo personnel don't always have the machines in store (or are given new machines) to demo and often just bring their own to "showcase."
I think with the advent of the internet, it minimises the personnel usage of demo'ing in general. I think stores like Currys and John Lewis that allow customers to try individual models however is a great advantage to keep in place.
I don't however think that SEBO are poaching Dyson buyers any LESS than Miele and other premium brands. How can SEBO do that when the ranges that they have are smaller in variation to what Miele sell?
Dyson's displays though are pretty impressive. I've often spent time trying out the hand helds and being amazed by the quality of the displays and their "toy" like features that allow you to push and prod things. Does it make me want to buy the product from the said feature? No, but it is impressive enough.
Lastly, if there is THREE other brands who continually do have demo personnel, it is to the likes of MAGIMIX food processors, KENWOOD for their Chef and cooking Chef models and Nespresso, especially at John Lewis where there are constant demonstrators around to allow consumers to have a sample of the coffee on offer.
vintagerepairer
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Sebo_fan, some of the in-store demonstrator positions are exceptionally well paid. Dyson for instance are widely advertising on the internet positions paying £10 per hour plus bonuses, and they aren't the only companies offering rates like this.
However, I cannot see the value which Dyson gets back from the huge amount of money they pay out; everyone has heard of Dyson now, unlike in the early days of course, so in-store demonstrating today really needs to be confined to much smaller, often cheaper 'gadgets' which a customer has never before seen, heard of, or considered buying. Whist demonstrations may have worked exceptionally well some 30 years ago for a completely new style of cleaner known as Vax, I would say that for most people now, a standard dry vacuum cleaner is unlikely to be an impulse purchase for anyone who had wandered into a shop with the intention of buying something completely different, such as a TV set, or, indeed, the intention of buying nothing at all.
However, I cannot see the value which Dyson gets back from the huge amount of money they pay out; everyone has heard of Dyson now, unlike in the early days of course, so in-store demonstrating today really needs to be confined to much smaller, often cheaper 'gadgets' which a customer has never before seen, heard of, or considered buying. Whist demonstrations may have worked exceptionally well some 30 years ago for a completely new style of cleaner known as Vax, I would say that for most people now, a standard dry vacuum cleaner is unlikely to be an impulse purchase for anyone who had wandered into a shop with the intention of buying something completely different, such as a TV set, or, indeed, the intention of buying nothing at all.
sebo_fan
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That's interesting about Dyson's paying good money for demo personnel. Miele, SEBO and Bosch don't really pay that much!
Or perhaps SEBO is playing the same card as Dyson - they were after all rated at the top for reliability unlike Dyson - but at the same time I don't see anything wrong with Dyson doing static displays and demos - after all, lets face it, Dyson are doing niche products such as their hand dryer etc - the company are first and foremost about design, so it would make sense in this day and age to have that current brand remain current and at the top of its game - given that John Lewis and Currys all stock bagless vacs from other brands. Dyson are playing a double game here.
Or perhaps SEBO is playing the same card as Dyson - they were after all rated at the top for reliability unlike Dyson - but at the same time I don't see anything wrong with Dyson doing static displays and demos - after all, lets face it, Dyson are doing niche products such as their hand dryer etc - the company are first and foremost about design, so it would make sense in this day and age to have that current brand remain current and at the top of its game - given that John Lewis and Currys all stock bagless vacs from other brands. Dyson are playing a double game here.
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Well I have just ordered Bags/Filters & Tools for the Sebo, they should be here tomorrow. Gave it a clean up yesterday with Disinfectant & soaked the hose in the solution. Smells much better now!
On another note, I have used the Vax 101 to wash the Carpet in the bathroom, seems to work better than the previous 6131 I had, & left the carpet much dryer. Was totally dry in 1 hour. After a quick vac over with the Electrolux Cyclone Power the carpets feels much more springier & softer under foot compared to what it was before.
On another note, I have used the Vax 101 to wash the Carpet in the bathroom, seems to work better than the previous 6131 I had, & left the carpet much dryer. Was totally dry in 1 hour. After a quick vac over with the Electrolux Cyclone Power the carpets feels much more springier & softer under foot compared to what it was before.
sebo_fan
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How bizarre - the 6131 has more power than the 101 - did you use the same wash heads?
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Nope - used the 101 wash head which has 2 suction channels & no wheels whereas the 6131 head has one suction channel but I found washing carpets much faster than using the 6131 as I didn't have to keep going over the same areas again & again slower each time to suck up more moisture.
Gladly I sold the 6131 & now use the 101 which is better. I know why carpets dry faster using the 101 as it dosen't put as much moisture into the carpet in the first place compared to the 6131 as it dosen't use a pump.
For an 800 watt machine it is very powerful & lifts the carpet nicely, plus it dosen't vibrate & isn't as loud as the 6131.
Gladly I sold the 6131 & now use the 101 which is better. I know why carpets dry faster using the 101 as it dosen't put as much moisture into the carpet in the first place compared to the 6131 as it dosen't use a pump.
For an 800 watt machine it is very powerful & lifts the carpet nicely, plus it dosen't vibrate & isn't as loud as the 6131.
sebo_fan
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Um I hate to let you know - the 101 does have a pump - otherwise it wouldn't be a carpet washer...
I had my parents Powa model (the blue and orange 1200 watt) for many years and felt that whilst the carpet looked clean and felt springier, it wasn't the machine that did that but rather the shampoo and the fact that it had been treated with being washed. It was certainly very back breaking for me - the moment I eventually bought a Bissell upright, life was easier. Our old Powa had the original 101 plastic/acrylic double channel heads, one large and one small one. The newer machines have a naff plastic 2 in1 combo head, though they look cooler but not as effective. I bought one many years ago for our old Powa before I sold it on but I wasn't very impressed with it.
I note that Vax have brought out a new "spin scrub" brush head for the Vax tubs but whether it is more effective or not, I don't know.
I had my parents Powa model (the blue and orange 1200 watt) for many years and felt that whilst the carpet looked clean and felt springier, it wasn't the machine that did that but rather the shampoo and the fact that it had been treated with being washed. It was certainly very back breaking for me - the moment I eventually bought a Bissell upright, life was easier. Our old Powa had the original 101 plastic/acrylic double channel heads, one large and one small one. The newer machines have a naff plastic 2 in1 combo head, though they look cooler but not as effective. I bought one many years ago for our old Powa before I sold it on but I wasn't very impressed with it.
I note that Vax have brought out a new "spin scrub" brush head for the Vax tubs but whether it is more effective or not, I don't know.
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With the 101 I found to get the solution running through the tube you just start pushing or pulling the head which pulled it through. The Shampoo is what cleans the carpet but the Vax extracts it out so it's not left there, which is what the final bit is. The new Spinscrub head wouldn't fit the Vax 101, it needs a clip that goes onto the end of the Shampoo tube so it can clip into place. Same with the other naff Shampoo head. It's just how with the 101 head it's not clear but that dosen't me as you can see the water in the bin as it's clear with a black tint.
I find with the Vax I do have to bend as I'm tall (6ft) but for the results it gives I can look over that.
BTW I've never liked the Bissell Machines - I had an AromaPro & ended up bringing the Vax 6131 out to suck up any moisture left over, sucked out 900ml that was left in the carpet!
I find with the Vax I do have to bend as I'm tall (6ft) but for the results it gives I can look over that.
BTW I've never liked the Bissell Machines - I had an AromaPro & ended up bringing the Vax 6131 out to suck up any moisture left over, sucked out 900ml that was left in the carpet!
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Im 6ft as well but I can't stand the back bending exercise with suction only heads to draw water out. The only successful comfortable machine I've ever tried when washing carpets has been the Numatic George.
To be honest I much prefer having a damper carpet than manually going over wet carpet again to draw out excess moisture - too much suction and agitation again removes carpet top pile that then destroys the look and natural direction flow of carpet pile. I find that my old Bissell powerdrive upright is very effective and takes a far shorter time to wash a carpet if I require to do so. Far prefer either the heating switched on to room dry the carpet or just leave the window open.
To be honest I much prefer having a damper carpet than manually going over wet carpet again to draw out excess moisture - too much suction and agitation again removes carpet top pile that then destroys the look and natural direction flow of carpet pile. I find that my old Bissell powerdrive upright is very effective and takes a far shorter time to wash a carpet if I require to do so. Far prefer either the heating switched on to room dry the carpet or just leave the window open.
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It dosen't take long to actually wash a carpet with the Vax 101, it seems much faster than the Vax 6131 so I don't hunch for long!
One thing I do hate is actually cleaning the Vax after use. One thing I never did get from the Bissell was grit in the dirty water tank, something the Vax specialises in removing from the carpet.
One thing I do hate is actually cleaning the Vax after use. One thing I never did get from the Bissell was grit in the dirty water tank, something the Vax specialises in removing from the carpet.
sebo_fan
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I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here - I sincerely hope that grit doesn't go into the clean water tank - otherwise your Vax has a major problem!
My Bissell may lack a back hose but it is superb for getting grit, stones and all matter of pet stains out. Another good one that Bissell make is the little green Machine.
My Bissell may lack a back hose but it is superb for getting grit, stones and all matter of pet stains out. Another good one that Bissell make is the little green Machine.
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Sorry if it was difficult to understand but nothing goes into the clean tank, only clean water and solution mix is in there. Everything else goes into the dirty tank.
