hi-loswitch98
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Oh right I see.
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Great thanks sebo_fan - Ryan for the link to ryry_87 will check that out. I've seen a picture and YouTube video of the clear X4 looks cool! Vintage Sebo vacuums look forward to seeing them! Before I found SEBO I was a fanatical Dyson fan although I still like to follow what James Dyson and his engineers are up to just don't own any dyson vacs anymore. I remember the UK SEBO website before the current one we have now. I use to watch the video on the X Series and the K Series quite a lot!
Yes I see where your coming from suppose they do come across conservative, that's how I perceive SEBO like Dyson an Engineering and Design base company but not on the scale as the others! I would love to see an update X Series with variable power and brush bar on/off longer hose. I like SEBO hoses as they are flexible but not over stretchy. Although my Classic Felix hose is not as not as stretchy as other Felix's I've seen in the shops or the extension hose I have! I don't think I would want them
To change the top hose design on the X Series I know lots don't like it when I read reviews on line but the X and Felix have one of the most straight and simple dirt flow paths to the bag compare with others!
Be interesting what SEBO will do if these news EU laws come in with regards to restricting motor wattage! I do think SEBO are cheap to maintain part wise and easy to maintain easy user maintenance too!
Yes I see where your coming from suppose they do come across conservative, that's how I perceive SEBO like Dyson an Engineering and Design base company but not on the scale as the others! I would love to see an update X Series with variable power and brush bar on/off longer hose. I like SEBO hoses as they are flexible but not over stretchy. Although my Classic Felix hose is not as not as stretchy as other Felix's I've seen in the shops or the extension hose I have! I don't think I would want them
To change the top hose design on the X Series I know lots don't like it when I read reviews on line but the X and Felix have one of the most straight and simple dirt flow paths to the bag compare with others!
Be interesting what SEBO will do if these news EU laws come in with regards to restricting motor wattage! I do think SEBO are cheap to maintain part wise and easy to maintain easy user maintenance too!
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Ty. Well Its always good to share opinions and info. I don't think Sebo would find it difficult if that law comes in - when you consider the X1 Automatic was low enough with 850 watts, there's nothing stopping SEBO from doing the same again, though I think they should adopt digital motors or consider something in between if it is possible. In their eyes they already have two low-power X series with different motor powers that satisfy most eco-led buyers with the X1.1 (1150watts) and of course the X4. The X5 is an interesting one - bigger foot/L shape like the Felix but too big for me but still has 1300 watts of power, as with the Felix upright.
SEBO did have a K1 Eco on the UK market under the "Cappuccino" name but it didn't sell in big numbers with 1500 watts maximum. Apparently some owners didn't find it powerful enough. I also have an old C2 cylinder vacuum with the 1500 watt motor and uses the same dust bag as the X series, thus yet again cutting costs when it comes to bags. I find the power is enough from the C2, so can't really understand why the K1 Eco isn't that popular. I've yet to try the Eco version but the K series is a really good compact cylinder vacuum - the only downside for me is the rather daft pull-pull cord rewind as it lacks a pedal and the slightest pull on the cord weakens the plug and the cord reeler over a period of time.
SEBO's new bigger cylinder vac, the D series is a good one but only suitable for homes that require the 12 metre cord length. SEBO are intentionally just sticking to their guns where their smaller variety of cylinder vacs are concerned - for the moment. In Germany and other countries, there appear to be a few more models that we don't get here.
SEBO did have a K1 Eco on the UK market under the "Cappuccino" name but it didn't sell in big numbers with 1500 watts maximum. Apparently some owners didn't find it powerful enough. I also have an old C2 cylinder vacuum with the 1500 watt motor and uses the same dust bag as the X series, thus yet again cutting costs when it comes to bags. I find the power is enough from the C2, so can't really understand why the K1 Eco isn't that popular. I've yet to try the Eco version but the K series is a really good compact cylinder vacuum - the only downside for me is the rather daft pull-pull cord rewind as it lacks a pedal and the slightest pull on the cord weakens the plug and the cord reeler over a period of time.
SEBO's new bigger cylinder vac, the D series is a good one but only suitable for homes that require the 12 metre cord length. SEBO are intentionally just sticking to their guns where their smaller variety of cylinder vacs are concerned - for the moment. In Germany and other countries, there appear to be a few more models that we don't get here.
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Well I heard by next year it has to be 1600w max then in 2017 900w max but hopefully companys such as Vax, Hoover & whoever else are able to bring out better designed vacuums, hopefully end all of the single cyclone pleated filter type vacs & put some thought into them. Quite a few vacs are lower wattage these days, such as the Sebo X4, which is 1300w, that prooves that a lower power motor can still pick up more than say a Hoover Dust Manager Upright, which has a 2200w motor, but apparently needs that to get acceptable pick up.
I hope that by cutting the power wattage, companies will bring some thing new to the table.
I hope that by cutting the power wattage, companies will bring some thing new to the table.
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Where did you hear that info from regarding the 1600 watts?
The lower wattage doesn't necessarily cover "filter design" though - brands will continue to churn out the paper cones as long as it is profitable - and on the basis that Vax are the number one brand who continually churn out those filters, the business makes sense to keep making money from that score.
Eventually consumers or owners may well begin to see the downsides of these filters, but for these hard times where buyers continually want a new product rather than second hand, the advent of having a single cyclonic paper pleated cone filter is a small disadvantage if the uprights or cylinders continually get lighter to hold or push as well as more tools.
The lower wattage doesn't necessarily cover "filter design" though - brands will continue to churn out the paper cones as long as it is profitable - and on the basis that Vax are the number one brand who continually churn out those filters, the business makes sense to keep making money from that score.
Eventually consumers or owners may well begin to see the downsides of these filters, but for these hard times where buyers continually want a new product rather than second hand, the advent of having a single cyclonic paper pleated cone filter is a small disadvantage if the uprights or cylinders continually get lighter to hold or push as well as more tools.
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Certainly is good to share views opinions and info its great to speak to other SEBO owners/fans too!
True SEBO shouldn't have any issues with using lower watt motors as you say as there uprights don't use overly big motors anyway! Imagine a X series with a digital motor!
I didn't realise SEBO had an Eco K Series out in the UK once. I do like both the K and D cylinders/canisters even though I'm more of an upright person! I just like the simplicity and ease of use but effective cleaning of the SEBO vacuums!
I read on the web that uprights without tools to have 500 or 600 watts and uprights with tools onboard and cylinders/canisters will have 700 watts think by 2017 if I remember right! I know some people don't think this is a good move especially for people that have dust allergies. I think it makes the manufacturers think more about design and technology to push the bounderies to get great performance from using lower consumption!
True SEBO shouldn't have any issues with using lower watt motors as you say as there uprights don't use overly big motors anyway! Imagine a X series with a digital motor!
I didn't realise SEBO had an Eco K Series out in the UK once. I do like both the K and D cylinders/canisters even though I'm more of an upright person! I just like the simplicity and ease of use but effective cleaning of the SEBO vacuums!
I read on the web that uprights without tools to have 500 or 600 watts and uprights with tools onboard and cylinders/canisters will have 700 watts think by 2017 if I remember right! I know some people don't think this is a good move especially for people that have dust allergies. I think it makes the manufacturers think more about design and technology to push the bounderies to get great performance from using lower consumption!
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Well it worked for Hoover and Electrolux through the 1970s even if they kept selling on "more power". These days the dust bags no longer leak as much dust as the thin ply paper types and things have moved on where sealed suction is concerned. If brands continue to actually make better advancements with sealed suction, better seals all round and a far effective system from the body through to the floor head.
I don't see why cylinder vacuums shouldn't be rated at the same level. Some would argue that cylinders require far more power since they are suction only but I don't think that should be the case. That's one difference with Miele and SEBO cylinders - the Miele hose handle has an air valve located on it whereas the SEBO does not - they reckon that their electronic variable suction control is so low anyway, there's no need to have an air outlet valve that effectively loses suction and the very presence of it can wear over time.
For me it is all about the lightweightness of some of SEBO's models and their general design - the K1 Komfort, Pet and "non power nozzle" fitted models as well as the bigger D series all have longer hoses where I find I'm effectively just using the lighter hose to travel along with plus the lighter handle PLUS SEBO's much lighter 500g tubes that weigh far less than Miele.
And to those who don't like the plastic tube meets metal idea, there's always SEBO's D series tubes that you can buy to replace the set up on the K series, still lighter than Miele's tubes. Or even the older C series tubes that can also be used. That's the thing about SEBO - almost all of their tools and tubes are compatible with the rest of the equivalent range.
But then I also love Miele's design - they offer far more simply because they are a bigger corp.
I don't see why cylinder vacuums shouldn't be rated at the same level. Some would argue that cylinders require far more power since they are suction only but I don't think that should be the case. That's one difference with Miele and SEBO cylinders - the Miele hose handle has an air valve located on it whereas the SEBO does not - they reckon that their electronic variable suction control is so low anyway, there's no need to have an air outlet valve that effectively loses suction and the very presence of it can wear over time.
For me it is all about the lightweightness of some of SEBO's models and their general design - the K1 Komfort, Pet and "non power nozzle" fitted models as well as the bigger D series all have longer hoses where I find I'm effectively just using the lighter hose to travel along with plus the lighter handle PLUS SEBO's much lighter 500g tubes that weigh far less than Miele.
And to those who don't like the plastic tube meets metal idea, there's always SEBO's D series tubes that you can buy to replace the set up on the K series, still lighter than Miele's tubes. Or even the older C series tubes that can also be used. That's the thing about SEBO - almost all of their tools and tubes are compatible with the rest of the equivalent range.
But then I also love Miele's design - they offer far more simply because they are a bigger corp.
sebo_fan
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Jon - when and how did you discover your SEBO ?
sebo_fan
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New SEBO X Tool Kit going on EBAY UK. Might order one myself! £60
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEBO-X1-1...Vacuum_Cleaner_Bags_Parts&hash=item2575c29562
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEBO-X1-1...Vacuum_Cleaner_Bags_Parts&hash=item2575c29562
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Hi Ryan
I first discovered SEBO about 8 years ago after my Aunty told me about her SEBO X4 and how she wanted a commercial graded vacuum that could stand up to pet hair and touch use. Having had so many bagless vacuums (dyson) where hoses split wheels falling off and not coping well with pet hair and only lasting a few years! She is very pleased with it. So I started to look into and research SEBO myself which is where I found my interest in them, and became a big fan! I gathered my own opinions of them from my research.
I have had my SEBO Felix for 6 years now. It told me a while to take the plunge to buy one having been a Dyson fan since the beginning. Also couldn't decide at first if to go for the Felix or X4, a local shop gave me a full demo on both! Even showing me the packed full bag that they had from an X4 to show how well it fills up! I've never looked back! I still tell myself I can't believe I've gone back to using bags!
I first discovered SEBO about 8 years ago after my Aunty told me about her SEBO X4 and how she wanted a commercial graded vacuum that could stand up to pet hair and touch use. Having had so many bagless vacuums (dyson) where hoses split wheels falling off and not coping well with pet hair and only lasting a few years! She is very pleased with it. So I started to look into and research SEBO myself which is where I found my interest in them, and became a big fan! I gathered my own opinions of them from my research.
I have had my SEBO Felix for 6 years now. It told me a while to take the plunge to buy one having been a Dyson fan since the beginning. Also couldn't decide at first if to go for the Felix or X4, a local shop gave me a full demo on both! Even showing me the packed full bag that they had from an X4 to show how well it fills up! I've never looked back! I still tell myself I can't believe I've gone back to using bags!
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That's a nice set of tools Ryan for the X series. Not a bad price for what is included in the box. Did you buy one then!?
I've noticed that they have been changing the accessory packaging to navy blue and white. Mind you I like both to be honest. Nice change though.
They have updated the online brochures for the X and D series with a new slogan on the front page replacing the other one to 'Performance you can rely on'. The X brochure has a blown up picture of the X4 Pet on the front cover. Looks good.
I've noticed that they have been changing the accessory packaging to navy blue and white. Mind you I like both to be honest. Nice change though.
They have updated the online brochures for the X and D series with a new slogan on the front page replacing the other one to 'Performance you can rely on'. The X brochure has a blown up picture of the X4 Pet on the front cover. Looks good.
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Nice to hear someone else's thoughts on SEBO and the choice to go with them. Similar with me - parents had a Hoover Junior for many years, then bought the Vax Powa washer tub but then felt a couple of years later that it was getting too heavy for them - hence my collecting starting point with the Junior U1104 and Vax Powa! Then they got an Oreck XL which was ok but my mum couldn't stand the noise and my dad was fed up changing belts on it. My uncle then landed a job in Canada as well as meeting his future wife and they emigrated, leaving behind their SEBO X1 Automatic. That's how it came to us and for 13/14 years it still remains in the family - it has only ever required one drive belt replacement. We eventually bought an X4 and the old X1.
I bought the tool kit way back in 2000 at some point - it used to be on sale at John Lewis for about £40 which was far cheaper than the silly prices online. JL no longer stock the tool kit which is a major pain although I think they can get it in by special order. To be honest, my parents never used the tool kit much except for the dust brush and the extension hose and eventually when I got the complete set, the straight tube was immediately used with the Felix.
Last year when I saw the differences of colour I tried to order a dark dusting brush from John Lewis but was told that this is an "old part" that is no longer on sale and they were only using the photo for sale purposes. Upon contacting SEBO, they have never heard of the dark grey brush, so it was a bit disappointing there. I guess if you have a Felix, that should be sufficient for colour coding the machine up - I'm not that fussy when it comes to coordinating colours etc with the SEBO X uprights. I hope SEBO are still selling the X1.1 as that's a good starter model - and its really no different to the X4 save for a slightly higher motor. Both X1.1, X4 and X5 can use the stair turbo brush whereas some of the X1 Autos can't use them, as they sense a block in the hose and turn off. 'Away to look at the brochure - thanks for that info!
Check by Euronics - they have an exclusive SEBO X4 Pro (for several months now) similar colour to the silver and black Pet though I think it may be dark grey and silver. They also have a K1 Pro which is based on the K1 Pets but in grey. Not to be outdone, John Lewis also have their exclusive model, the X4 Excel.
I bought the tool kit way back in 2000 at some point - it used to be on sale at John Lewis for about £40 which was far cheaper than the silly prices online. JL no longer stock the tool kit which is a major pain although I think they can get it in by special order. To be honest, my parents never used the tool kit much except for the dust brush and the extension hose and eventually when I got the complete set, the straight tube was immediately used with the Felix.
Last year when I saw the differences of colour I tried to order a dark dusting brush from John Lewis but was told that this is an "old part" that is no longer on sale and they were only using the photo for sale purposes. Upon contacting SEBO, they have never heard of the dark grey brush, so it was a bit disappointing there. I guess if you have a Felix, that should be sufficient for colour coding the machine up - I'm not that fussy when it comes to coordinating colours etc with the SEBO X uprights. I hope SEBO are still selling the X1.1 as that's a good starter model - and its really no different to the X4 save for a slightly higher motor. Both X1.1, X4 and X5 can use the stair turbo brush whereas some of the X1 Autos can't use them, as they sense a block in the hose and turn off. 'Away to look at the brochure - thanks for that info!
Check by Euronics - they have an exclusive SEBO X4 Pro (for several months now) similar colour to the silver and black Pet though I think it may be dark grey and silver. They also have a K1 Pro which is based on the K1 Pets but in grey. Not to be outdone, John Lewis also have their exclusive model, the X4 Excel.
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The tool kit is selling for £55 on SEBO's UK site.
http://www.sebo.co.uk/store/x-series/1499er-attachments-kit-boxed.html
http://www.sebo.co.uk/store/x-series/1499er-attachments-kit-boxed.html
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If eBay is free listing this weekend I'm going to put it on, madaboutsebo maybe you might want to buy it?
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So youre not keeping the X4? Lordy. Why ever not? Let your parents use it, they'll appreciate its worth!
TBH there are already quite a few SEBO X4s on EBAY at the moment, it wouldn't be worth listing it - I mean, if you want a good time to grab as many interested buyers, list it when there aren't that many SEBO uprights on at a second hand price/use.
TBH there are already quite a few SEBO X4s on EBAY at the moment, it wouldn't be worth listing it - I mean, if you want a good time to grab as many interested buyers, list it when there aren't that many SEBO uprights on at a second hand price/use.
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Mum/Dad only like cylinders though.
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Thanks Ryan, nice to share thoughts and opinions on SEBO and to hear from others who use/like SEBO. So thats how you started collecting and also came to know of SEBO then, great to hear thanks. Similar to my parent they had a Hoover Junior upgraded it to a Hoover Turbopower (Green colour), then later brought a VAX 121 mainly for carpet washing. Mainly me persuading them to get both!! Then I got them onto Dyson DC01, DC03, DC04 and they currently use a DC18 Slim. They still have the Vax but is never used, it got side kicked for a Bissell Carpet Washer we still use!
Trying to get them to replace the DC18 with a SEBO as the DC18 trips the electric when switching the brush bar off or switching it on first then releasing the handle! Dyson Engineer has been out several times to no avail, no issue found!
Can't believe John Lewis don't stock the tool kit anymore! They JL are quite good like that! Don't blame you extra reach for the Felix.
True tools/accessories are just that regardless of colour longs they work! Yes from what I can see on the SEBO website and brochure the entry SEBO x1.1 is still there! Yes it is as I've always wondered if there is much performance difference between the X1.1 and X4 but as you say not really. Do like the independent X1.1 in Red! I take it the X1 had a lower watt motor for that to happen?
That tool kit was cheaper then on SEBO website compared to ebay!
Your welcome did you take a look at the brochure?
I've sen the John Lewis X4 Excel, I saw at the time selling off the X4 Blue and Yellow model as I nearly got one as they reduced the price as they had started to sell the X4 Excel. We have an independent Electrical shop and I think on they website is a SEBO X4 Pro looks like you say dark grey and silver! Bet the K1 looks smart in grey!
Trying to get them to replace the DC18 with a SEBO as the DC18 trips the electric when switching the brush bar off or switching it on first then releasing the handle! Dyson Engineer has been out several times to no avail, no issue found!
Can't believe John Lewis don't stock the tool kit anymore! They JL are quite good like that! Don't blame you extra reach for the Felix.
True tools/accessories are just that regardless of colour longs they work! Yes from what I can see on the SEBO website and brochure the entry SEBO x1.1 is still there! Yes it is as I've always wondered if there is much performance difference between the X1.1 and X4 but as you say not really. Do like the independent X1.1 in Red! I take it the X1 had a lower watt motor for that to happen?
That tool kit was cheaper then on SEBO website compared to ebay!
Your welcome did you take a look at the brochure?
I've sen the John Lewis X4 Excel, I saw at the time selling off the X4 Blue and Yellow model as I nearly got one as they reduced the price as they had started to sell the X4 Excel. We have an independent Electrical shop and I think on they website is a SEBO X4 Pro looks like you say dark grey and silver! Bet the K1 looks smart in grey!
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I might hi-loswitch98 depends on the price!
So you are still looking at selling it then!?
So you are still looking at selling it then!?
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Oh yes - trying to reduce my Collection so I can purchase a Hotpoint Vac & possibly a Hoover Telios Plus!
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TBH I've never been keen on the K1 series as being good looking. It isn't stylish but then it is a great compact cylinder vac for a small flat. I wasn't that taken with the SEBO K1 until I got to use it - it is evident that it was designed for performance and functionality rather than style.
I had a look at the brochure. Its good to see the X1.1 is still there although SEBO should really include the red one regardless of whether it is on sale elsewhere. I have an X1.1 in blue and black - where the yellow accents are, were replaced by black. It may have been a Euronics special - not even SEBO recognise it. I bought it a few years ago from someone who "thought" it was an X1.1 by the badge on the floor head - but the motor underneath is an X4!! Thus I either consider getting the yellow bin door and yellow & blue motor cover and change it back - but I rather like its anonymity. Couldn't really ask for a more unique vacuum lol
The X1.1 effectively replaced the X1 Automatic, with it having uprated power through the years from baseline 850 watts to 1000 watts. The 1150 watt motor on the X1.1 and X4 with 1300 watts as you know are the only differences. I don't think many owners notice much of a difference to be honest - both are still quite capable and better than anything on the UK market IMHO that takes a bag of the upright design.
I had a look at the brochure. Its good to see the X1.1 is still there although SEBO should really include the red one regardless of whether it is on sale elsewhere. I have an X1.1 in blue and black - where the yellow accents are, were replaced by black. It may have been a Euronics special - not even SEBO recognise it. I bought it a few years ago from someone who "thought" it was an X1.1 by the badge on the floor head - but the motor underneath is an X4!! Thus I either consider getting the yellow bin door and yellow & blue motor cover and change it back - but I rather like its anonymity. Couldn't really ask for a more unique vacuum lol
The X1.1 effectively replaced the X1 Automatic, with it having uprated power through the years from baseline 850 watts to 1000 watts. The 1150 watt motor on the X1.1 and X4 with 1300 watts as you know are the only differences. I don't think many owners notice much of a difference to be honest - both are still quite capable and better than anything on the UK market IMHO that takes a bag of the upright design.
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