SEBO returns to Argos

[marcusprit]

Yes no variable suction is something i miss on the Dyson that is a good point.You can overdo suction/airflow and agitation especially on wool and loop carpets.

I don't have wool or looped carpets though so i just want a vacuum that can pull out the maximum amount of dirt as possible and keep it in the machine.

I don't really have a preference to whether that is a bagged or bagless. The best performance, easiest to manoeuvre and best filtration is what i'm looking for.

 

[turbo500]

Just to reiterate what Stan said, you can't always see the dust cloud, but it's always there. All those microscopic allergens that you've picked up ALWAYS fly all over the place when you empty a bagless vacuum.

What's the point of owning a bagless vacuum if you have to empty it into a bag anyway?

 

[sebo_fan]

But thats the point I was also making, without actually saying it - to what extend does dirt become top fluff from a carpet after being continually cleaned? There is never an iota of maximum dust being pulled out of a carpet because eventually carpet tread will start to come out rather than actual dust!

 

[marcusprit]

Yes Oliveoil there are pluses and minuses for both cleaners but i have to say having used both my carpets look alot cleaner after using the Dyson. And it has amazing performance on hard floors so it seals very even with the little wheels.

And personally i would rather have the belt in the middle of the floorhead and have edge cleaning on both sides, i find this easier.

But the perfect vacuum is yet to be invented

 

[marcusprit]

Yes that is also true Sebo but there is also alot of dirt and grit deep in carpets that some cleaners miss, this grit can also wear down carpet fibres.

I guess its all about getting the balance right.

 

[marcusprit]

Turbo the point is you can empty the dust after every clean it's not stuck in the bag rotting for months on end, plus i don't have to buy bags as i use the council supplied ones and i also don't have to buy filters., which over 5 years will be saving close to £200

 

[sebo_fan]

But even if dust rots in a bag, its not harmful if you have filters on board. I would find it annoying if I had to empty a vacuum cleaner each time I use it. With a bag you just let it fill up. Why else do you think hospitals and commercial venues still use bagged vacuums? Its not a matter of cost since the bags are far more hygienic.

 

[marcusprit]

In a commercial environment I can see bags being preferred. Like I say I have no preference for bagged or bagless just the best performance.
You don't have to empty the Dyson after every use but I chose to, it just takes a second it's no big deal.

Anyway we shall see what improvements come from the new ratings maybe I will go back to bagged in the future but for now I'm very happy with the Dyson

 

[sptyks]

This is something I never understood...

How does dirt in a bag rot? Dirt is dirt! Unless you vacuum up a lot of food waste it still doesn't matter. Even it it does rot, it's in a HEPA bag made of several layers, so nothing escapes, not even odor. I'm basing this on my experience with the Kirby HEPA bag, which I replace every 3-4 months and I don't ever notice any odor.

 

[marcusprit]

Of course it rots cause you get bacteria growing in it! And every bagged vacuum cleaner I've had smells including the Kirby.

 

[marcusprit]

And a HEPA bag doesn't stop odors a charcoal filter will help a bit but you still get some odor

 

[sptyks]

You must have a dog, otherwise you must have some other source of bacteria infested dirt that I don't have in my house.


 

 

[marcusprit]

Haha neither thank you very much! Why do you think Sebo, Miele and Riccar all use charcoal filters? Hmmmm

 

[blakaeg]

I disagree on the comment that Vax machines are of less quality. There's a lot if talk about it being Chinese blah blah and then I saw Dyson and British! Please can we remember that Dysons are made in Malaysia not the UK. iPhones are made in China and no one complains about that.

Vax UK may well design their machines in the UK or by TTI but they then just make them in China and I know of two people who own Vax Mach Air machines and are very pleased with them in the 2 and 4 years of ownership.

I've always found Dyson uprights great on both hard floors and carpets. If anything snowploughs then I pull the handle down to allow the head to suck up the item. I do not have any pets so can't say how well my Dyson uprights pick up dog and cat hairs. The Sebo Felix does an amazing job on carpets but I found hard floors its not as good. Theres a small gap between the head and the hard floor but its acceptable. I left the brush on to help it pick up better or put the parquet brush attachment on.

Recently used a Sebo K1 red machine and was impressed with it but I'm not a cylinder fan. Very powerful suction and VERY quiet motor!

 

[marcusprit]

Vax just copy Dyson innovations. I had a Vax air upright. Wasn't very impressed I sold it.

I'd like to see Dyson bring their manufacturing back to the UK they make huge profits on their machines so they easily afford to. Doubt it will happen though.

 

[sptyks]

If Tacony can bring manufacturing back to USA from overseas, Dyson should be able to move manufacturing back to the UK.


 


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[marcusprit]

I agree with you on that point.

 

[marcusprit]

That is good to see. I wish they had Riccar cleaners in the UK!

 

[madaboutsebo]

I owned and used both bagged and bagless vacuum cleaners over the years. I prefer to own a bagged vacuum specially having a pet. I don't miss emptying and cleaning the bin out and washing filters. Each to their own for personal preference.

You do have to ask if emptying a bagless bin into a plastic or paper bag surely defeats the object of bagless does it not? How many bagless owners empty the bin into a plastic bag? Emptying straight into the outside dust bin your disturbing the dust when you put other rubbish in there!? Then you have landfill. Dyson mention the new EU labels don't mention all the bags and filters that end up in landfill. What about all the users that empty bagless vacuum bins into plastic or paper bags that end up in landfill. Most plastic bags these days are biodegradable though, not sure about breakdown of synthetic bags. I'm not dissing Dyson just making a comment. Bag or bagless they have their pros and cons down to personal choice I think.

I always questioned the rubber seals on bagless. When you empty the bin via the bottom trap door the rubber seals get coated in dirt and fine dust. I used to wipe them clean before closing the trap door. How many users do this? Most just empty and close. Surely the fine dust and dirt on the rubber seals will not give 100% seal? That's just me questioning this!

Marcusprit can I ask you say you will save £200 over the 5 years is that filters and bags? If so how many filters and bags would this roughly be? I know the Dyson Cinetic your suppose to save on average use £500 over 10 years on bags and filters.

 

[dys0nb0y]

One bag per month and one filter per year.