Royal wide path or kirby generation?

[thissucks]

Ok, i need a paper bagged vac, i have a kirby omega that i love, but its driving my father and brother's alergies crazy.

so it gives me a reason to buy another vac!

anyhow i want a wide-path 18" royal or a self propelled kirby, they are simmilar machines but im trying to figure out what machine will clean better.

also does the royal's "coushionaire" work well on medium pile carpet?

(i know i can retro fit kirby but... i can get another vac )
all will be used or rebuilt.

also how does sanitair's 16" model stack up (would have to change bag)

 

[twocvbloke]

In general, Widetrack models tend to have poor airflow at the nozzle, as they have a wider than normal nozzle to try and evenly spread out the suction down onto the carpet and get the air to flow through it, so, rather than going for widetrack models, go for the standard models for a more thorough job...

Personally I'd get a Sanitaire, upgrade it to use the Eureka Filtrete ST bags (just requires a filltube known as the "Dirt Tube & Overmold Assy., see link), and there you go, sorted...

(It's funny, I forgot that the address for that site with the filltube was very similar to this site! Doesn't have a pic of the filltube, but it's the right one!)



http://www.vacland.com/proddetail.php?prod=sanitaire-77491

 

[kirbymodel2c]

Wellllll

Hi. Well personally I'd go for a G series Kirby. G5 Gsix onwards. Esp with you already having a Kirby Omega...
I do like the Royal Everlast series vacs. Of which I own the Royal Everlast 8300 Which I would go for over the 18inch royal.

Why not try to test one of each in person and see which one you like.
What's right for one person isn't for someone else.

I'm sure you will hear lots of opinions but trying a vac in person is the best way to go.

Hope this helps.

James)

 

[tolivac]

The 18" Royals work fine for me-better than other 18" vacuums.However Kirby is still better.

 

[thissucks]

i have a standard size dump cup sanitair commercial and am suprized how it pulls up the nap (single row vibra-groomer) as twocvbloke mentioned his opinion. it would be a interesting machine to have, im sure the vibra-groomer would be crazy loud on this one.

still undecided, i know a 10amp royal has 124CFM and the widetrack is only 2inches wider than kirby and kirby has 105CFM. im still amazed how much suction this omega has running 4.5 amps. the sanitair is simple as can be.
i hate decisions.

i also made the mistake of buying a single row for the omega instead of double...

 

[scvacuumguy]

Go to a vacuum cleaner store. Only they can provide the seasoned expert advice and maybe even give you a machine to take home and try.

 

[kirbymodel2c]

Oh

Oh but just remember people in vac shops can be hit and miss. Some know what there talking about some talk out of there....Or only want to sell you what they stock. I know from past experience.Esp when I was younger. I'm sure by now you know who you can trust in your area. Just remember opinions are only opinions once you try each vac for yourself then go on from there..
Then look out for what you want at the right price for you...)

Let use know what you go for. Ohhh and take a pic of it.

James)

 

[trebor]

The Royal handle...

with its three locking positions makes it easy to use it to vacuum couch cushions and arms, stair treads, and mattresses without hooking up a hose or getting out a canister. It is much lighter than the Kirby.

 

[gsheen]

Will seen you collect vacuums hy not buy all three??? and use one for each part of the house, personally I do not like g series Kirby's , I have two sentria's I am trying to get rid of , I prefer a legend or heritage 11, I would take either a royal 18" or a sanitaire over a G series but that's just my feelings, best to go to a vac shop you can trust and try out all three, That's what I tell my customers , try it out then you will know if you like it, You wouldn't buy a new car before you tried it out would you.


Gareth 

 

[thissucks]

i work for a vac shop and i still dont know!

i have owned a regular 8.7 amp 12" royal and it worked well, it had a worn brush from day one. ive always wanted a 18" model but i would have to make a franken vac to get one (unless one of you folks have one to sell)

i WOULD buy all three but A- i have little money, B- i need to avoid getting bit by the bug because i already have 12 antique fans and would run out of room!

 

[broomvac]

Kirby G series...

...is most likely the best way to go, especially since you are already on the Kirby bandwagon.

The Royals slightly out clean the Kirbys, but the Kirbys are all around more user friendly, have more options and good attachments (unlike Royal), and have better filtration. Not to mention the fact the tech drive is AWESOME!

New Royals are hideously loud anyways.

As for Sanitaires, I recommend you get anything without a shake out bag or a dirt cup (ESPECIALLY THE DIRT CUP ONES! They leak dust like a SIEVE!) All the other Sanitaires are great for allergy-free filtration, and on good days, can out clean either the Kirby or the Royal.

 

[thissucks]

anyone have any vacs mentioned willing to sell?

 

[thissucks]

ok, i found a motor brush end-bell (plastic bearing/brush holder) some gaskets, a new brushroll, plate and used wide-track front assembly.

franken vac is complete! it picks up and grooms as good as the normal nossle, slightly less suction, but enough to pick up the carpet and suck up a piece of paper with 1/4 of the nossle.

what suprized me the most is that it moves so eaisily, even more so with the huge brush.

it just plain looks cool
by the way its a model 2000 8.7A green with a serial of 93**** what year is it made?

 

[kirbyclassiciii]

thissucks

A Royal model 2000 upright would be made between 1995-2001. Prior to that there was the 5.0 amp model 882, produced from 1991-95, with the same green bag and green/grey trim.

Do you really think that a 6.0 amp model 618 or 680 series, in the 18" wide-track category, would perform well (the 618 was made from 1985-87, and the 680 series from 1987-90, except for 681 and 683 from 1989-90)? The same would go for the 7.0 amp 690 series (and the 6.0 amp 380 series) produced between 1990-95.

~Ben

 

[thissucks]

seeing the volume of the bell (which is very small compared to even kirby) and the efficentcy of the fan, i would say with even a 6A vac it would do just fine.

i would suspect a slight drop in suction, however most royal already have too much suction in the first place (two clicks on the toe adjust makes it suck up the carpet)

on mine i can still pick things up on the side of the nossle without getting close to them. it also gets super easy to push.

ps. the original vac the assembly was from was 7.0 amps i think.

 

[tolivac]

Both of my 18" Royals work GREAT-better than the Sanitaire wide sweeps I have.but not quite as good as my 24" Powerflite.

 

[kirbyclassiciii]

All of the 6.0A 18" wide-track Royals, with the exception of the 380 series (as these were made after 1990), used a 6-bladed fan (the 680 series was, as I already mentioned, produced from 1987-90; Royal first used 9-bladed fans on their metal products beginning April 1990).

So that brings me to ask you: what would the performance of any of the 1985-90 Royal 18" wide-track models be (with the 6-blade impeller fan), compared to all those 9-bladed fan-equipped wide-track Royals made since April 1990?

~Ben

 

[thissucks]

im unfamiliar with 6 bladed royals ben.

i know that number of blades isnt everything, alot is pitch, engineering and RPM.

i also know amps are not everything also.

in short i dont know, but i would think 6 amps and 6 blades is enough to work well enough.

 

[Sablekid]

I have a Royal widepath, a standard Everlast, and a G5


 


Hands down G5....but the standard Royal comes pretty darn close, but the widepath is a no go.....Great for sort pile commercial carpets, but not for the standard household.