Riccar Pristine.. being discontinued??
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senornathan
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I've noticed that some machines are no longer listed on the Riccar site, but are still on the Simplicity site (for example, the Butler). Looks like it's still available as the Simplicity Verve.
senornathan
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Actually...
Looks like the Simplicity Whoosh (Riccar Butler) is no longer listed also. So it may be that its days are numbered... maybe because of the Prima?
Looks like the Simplicity Whoosh (Riccar Butler) is no longer listed also. So it may be that its days are numbered... maybe because of the Prima?
To me
It looks like the Prima has taken the Pristine'as place ( I could be wrong)
I long for the day when the top two models (Immaculate & Impeccable) will be updated
True, I think I actually heard somewhere that the butler would be phased out
It looks like the Prima has taken the Pristine'as place ( I could be wrong)
I long for the day when the top two models (Immaculate & Impeccable) will be updated
True, I think I actually heard somewhere that the butler would be phased out
panasonicvac
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I'm actually surprised the 8955 is still listed on Riccar's website. I thought it was discontinued after the R20UP came out, I know the 7850 did after the S20UP came out. Even some of the Commercial models on both websites are no longer listed as well. I've sent emails to both Riccar and Simplicity not long ago (Even their Facebook page as well) about some models that are no longer listed or if there were new models coming out soon, never heard back from them.
The Simplicity
7 series was discontinued (I know for sure) a long tome ago, but the 8955 is still being made. I was told so by the vac shop, and they still had it for sale last time I was in.
My guess is that the websites arent updated as often.
7 series was discontinued (I know for sure) a long tome ago, but the 8955 is still being made. I was told so by the vac shop, and they still had it for sale last time I was in.
My guess is that the websites arent updated as often.
panasonicvac
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Another thing I was surprised is that the old school residential Symmetries and Vibrances are back listed online. Even the newer R20S and the S20S was discontinued and replaced by the R20SC and the S20SC. I guess Tacony decided to remake these because Vacuum Stores and Consumers must have really liked those models. However I just noticed that the Simplicity SYMPBP is no longer listed, I hope that model didn't get discontinued because I really like the color on that model.
dysonman1
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All the medium size canisters (Verve, Pristine, Cinch, etc.) are discontinued but could still be available at a dealer's store. The Outlet Store still has two Verve's for sale (for example).
The full size, made in the USA canisters are still available, as are the Sunburst and Jill.
The Wonder and Prima have taken the place of all the mid size power team and straight suction canister models.
The new-for-2017 Wonder and Prima models will also have a Tandem-Air power nozzle and will be available in new colors (love the pearl white Wonder with Tandem power head). Beginning in second quarter 2017, the Wonder and Prima will be made in St. James, Missouri. The factory has to hire additional people to make them (Yay).
The 8955 is made when the factory gets enough backorders to make a day's worth of machines. The commercial 8925 is still being made on that assembly line, so it's not too much of a trick to switch over to make the household machine.
The R20S and S20S were discontinued in favor of the 'old body style' "SC" models. As one model "up" from the entry level, the old body style was a natural, leaving the new body style machine (the "20.2" series) as the high end models.
The full size, made in the USA canisters are still available, as are the Sunburst and Jill.
The Wonder and Prima have taken the place of all the mid size power team and straight suction canister models.
The new-for-2017 Wonder and Prima models will also have a Tandem-Air power nozzle and will be available in new colors (love the pearl white Wonder with Tandem power head). Beginning in second quarter 2017, the Wonder and Prima will be made in St. James, Missouri. The factory has to hire additional people to make them (Yay).
The 8955 is made when the factory gets enough backorders to make a day's worth of machines. The commercial 8925 is still being made on that assembly line, so it's not too much of a trick to switch over to make the household machine.
The R20S and S20S were discontinued in favor of the 'old body style' "SC" models. As one model "up" from the entry level, the old body style was a natural, leaving the new body style machine (the "20.2" series) as the high end models.
senornathan
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New Primas? Made in the USA? New nozzles?
All this sounds incredibly awesome! I'll definitely be checking these out once they're here. Thanks for letting us know!
All this sounds incredibly awesome! I'll definitely be checking these out once they're here. Thanks for letting us know!
panasonicvac
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That's great news! I wonder if the Central Vacuums will one day be made in the USA. I hope the old school Symmetries and Vibrances (Including the Riccar 8 Series) will still be around because I like the looks and the colors on those.
dysonman1
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The Prima/Wonder will have in total, four different Power Nozzles that can be used with them. The Compact power nozzle (kind of like the Miele "Barbie's dream house" power nozzle - the 217). The Full Size with double row brush roller. The Full Size with triple row brush roller and electronic dirt sensor. And now, the new Tandem Air power nozzle.
My favorite part is the fact that the Tandem Air power nozzle fits the hose handle. Furniture and stair cleaning will be the deepest dirt removal yet.
Power Nozzles continue to be made at the Factory in Missouri, and starting the second quarter of 2017 (April), so will the canisters themselves.
In the two years that the Wonder/Prima have been on the market, the machines have held up beautifully. They have proven to be durable and long lasting.
My favorite part is the fact that the Tandem Air power nozzle fits the hose handle. Furniture and stair cleaning will be the deepest dirt removal yet.
Power Nozzles continue to be made at the Factory in Missouri, and starting the second quarter of 2017 (April), so will the canisters themselves.
In the two years that the Wonder/Prima have been on the market, the machines have held up beautifully. They have proven to be durable and long lasting.
kirbysthebest
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Will the Tandem air power nozzle be a corded PN, or the cordless Volt?
kirbylux77
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Tom, great news that the Riccar Prima / Simplicity Wonder will be built in Missouri this year. However, will the 3 current power nozzles be discontinued in favor of the Tandem Air powerhead? And will the Tandem Air powerhead be battery powered as the Volt powerhead is, or will it draw it's power supply thru a electric hose?
Don't get me wrong, the Volt Tandem Air powerhead is a great innovation for central vac owners with Hide a Hose & older straight suction systems wanting to upgrade to a electric powerhead, particularly since the Tandem Air aspect will help boost the airflow & suction capabilities of the central vac system while in use on carpets, especially with older systems with lesser power than today's systems & the standards they meet. It would also be great for straight suction canister owners that want to upgrade without purchasing a whole new powerhead canister vacuum. However, a few distinct disadvantages the Volt Tandem Air powerhead would have, since it's essentially a modified battery powered clean air upright, is there's no serpentine v belt option for lesser maintenance, no swivel steering, & would be virtually impossible to get under ultra-low surfaces, such as beds, that a regular canister vacuum powerhead can get with ease.
The main reason why people buy canisters is for attachment use, bare floor cleaning, & cleaning under & around surfaces a upright cannot reach. As much as the Volt Tandem Air powerhead is nice, & people can see it's cleaning performance advantages, if it was the only option available you would encourage powerhead canister vacuum buyers to buy from your competition. I know that, for me, if I was a regular owner & not a collector, I wouldn't buy it for my only vacuum. If Tacony was thinking of phasing out the 3 available powerheads for the Wonder/Prima in favor of the Volt, you might strongly encourage them to reconsider, especially since your direct competition is Miele.
For anyone wanting the older canisters, such as the Simplicity Verve & Riccar Pristine, Hibbert Wholesale here in Canada is showing they have them in stock on their website. So if you want one, find a dealer & order quick before they dry up & are gone forever.
Rob
http://https//www.hibbert.ca/index.jsp?path=home
Don't get me wrong, the Volt Tandem Air powerhead is a great innovation for central vac owners with Hide a Hose & older straight suction systems wanting to upgrade to a electric powerhead, particularly since the Tandem Air aspect will help boost the airflow & suction capabilities of the central vac system while in use on carpets, especially with older systems with lesser power than today's systems & the standards they meet. It would also be great for straight suction canister owners that want to upgrade without purchasing a whole new powerhead canister vacuum. However, a few distinct disadvantages the Volt Tandem Air powerhead would have, since it's essentially a modified battery powered clean air upright, is there's no serpentine v belt option for lesser maintenance, no swivel steering, & would be virtually impossible to get under ultra-low surfaces, such as beds, that a regular canister vacuum powerhead can get with ease.
The main reason why people buy canisters is for attachment use, bare floor cleaning, & cleaning under & around surfaces a upright cannot reach. As much as the Volt Tandem Air powerhead is nice, & people can see it's cleaning performance advantages, if it was the only option available you would encourage powerhead canister vacuum buyers to buy from your competition. I know that, for me, if I was a regular owner & not a collector, I wouldn't buy it for my only vacuum. If Tacony was thinking of phasing out the 3 available powerheads for the Wonder/Prima in favor of the Volt, you might strongly encourage them to reconsider, especially since your direct competition is Miele.
For anyone wanting the older canisters, such as the Simplicity Verve & Riccar Pristine, Hibbert Wholesale here in Canada is showing they have them in stock on their website. So if you want one, find a dealer & order quick before they dry up & are gone forever.
Rob
http://https//www.hibbert.ca/index.jsp?path=home
The Volt powernozzle is based upon the Simplicity Cordless Freedom direct air machine.Direct air is the most efficient for this type of nozzle-lower power draw than an equivelant clean air design machine.The Simplicity cordless is a rechargeable battery operated,bagged rollerbrush upright based on their corded Freedom models but with the 50V DC motor and battery.The Volt nozzle and Simplicity Cordeless Freedom upright are the only cordless machines THAT REALLY WORK!Others are just toys!
dysonman1
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The Tandem-Air power nozzle will be 120 volt ac powered, as it is the power nozzle for the new Wonder and Prima machines.
It's different than the cordless models in the fact that it's 120 volts, plus the fact that it has a swivel neck to accept the electric wand.
It's different than the cordless models in the fact that it's 120 volts, plus the fact that it has a swivel neck to accept the electric wand.
blackheart
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Tom.
Thanks for the information. The idea of a tandem air power nozzle is great. Though I'm left wonder what about the woosh? I don't see it on the website anymore, the same can be said of the fuller brush version.
Thanks for the information. The idea of a tandem air power nozzle is great. Though I'm left wonder what about the woosh? I don't see it on the website anymore, the same can be said of the fuller brush version.
panasonicvac
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Yeah I noticed that too. I also notice that the Riccar VIBPBP is still listed on the website but the Simplicity SYMPBP isn't, I hope the VIBPBP and the SYMPBP will still be around as well because I like the colors on those models.
n0oxy
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new prima
Glad to see that the prima and wonder are such a success. Will the new models use the same motor? I already have the prima, great vacuum for sure, is there any advantage to getting one of the new models when they are released?
Glad to see that the prima and wonder are such a success. Will the new models use the same motor? I already have the prima, great vacuum for sure, is there any advantage to getting one of the new models when they are released?
dysonman1
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The Woosh and the other model names of the same machine, have been discontinued. It's replacement is awesome. Engineering has been working on it for more than three years to perfect it. I do not know when it's launch date is.
Mike: the tandem air power nozzle holds its advantage for cleaning wall to wall carpeting. There will be three other power nozzles available, so the machine can be customized for each individual home. I am in love with the pearl white color of the new wonder.
Mike: the tandem air power nozzle holds its advantage for cleaning wall to wall carpeting. There will be three other power nozzles available, so the machine can be customized for each individual home. I am in love with the pearl white color of the new wonder.
n0oxy
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customization
Yes, customization is a good thing. The electrical connector on the prima hose is also standard, so you can hook up other power nozzles than the Tacony models as well. I've gotten the Prima to work with power nozzles from Wessel Werk, Sebo, and Lindhaus. Will be interesting to see what the tandom power nozzle is like when it's released.
Yes, customization is a good thing. The electrical connector on the prima hose is also standard, so you can hook up other power nozzles than the Tacony models as well. I've gotten the Prima to work with power nozzles from Wessel Werk, Sebo, and Lindhaus. Will be interesting to see what the tandom power nozzle is like when it's released.
dysonman1
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Steve:
I have heard nothing about the Full Size canister line's fate. As of yesterday, they were building the Riccar full size canisters on the assembly line.
I do know the company is extremely pleased with the durability of the Wonder/Prima machines. So much so, that Tacony is going to build them in America. Sales have increased dramatically, and it now makes sense to build them in the USA.
I have heard nothing about the Full Size canister line's fate. As of yesterday, they were building the Riccar full size canisters on the assembly line.
I do know the company is extremely pleased with the durability of the Wonder/Prima machines. So much so, that Tacony is going to build them in America. Sales have increased dramatically, and it now makes sense to build them in the USA.
kirbylux77
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Steve, I don't think the Simplicity Moxie, Gusto, Riccar Immaculate & Impeccable will be discontinued anytime soon. Updated? Yes. I can see how the full-size models would get the Wonder / Prima bag with the plastic collar & their wand & powerhead neck.
The Simplicity Wonder / Riccar Prima machines don't have certain TOL features the full-size canisters do, such as variable speed on the hose handle, bag & filter change indicator on the hose handle, longer hose, activated charcoal filter in the bag chamber, & extra attachments such as the small floor brush onboard. There will always be customers willing to pay extra for those extra features.
Tom - Any possibility we will see a Tandem Air powerhead for the full size canisters in the future? Like I said, I wouldn't own a canister with the Tandem Air powerhead as my only vacuum, but I would be interested in adding it on to my Simplicity Gusto, since I already have the premium powerhead with the dirt sensor. It would be nice to have for those situations where you want the carpet to be "extra clean", like moving into a new home with older carpeting.
Rob
The Simplicity Wonder / Riccar Prima machines don't have certain TOL features the full-size canisters do, such as variable speed on the hose handle, bag & filter change indicator on the hose handle, longer hose, activated charcoal filter in the bag chamber, & extra attachments such as the small floor brush onboard. There will always be customers willing to pay extra for those extra features.
Tom - Any possibility we will see a Tandem Air powerhead for the full size canisters in the future? Like I said, I wouldn't own a canister with the Tandem Air powerhead as my only vacuum, but I would be interested in adding it on to my Simplicity Gusto, since I already have the premium powerhead with the dirt sensor. It would be nice to have for those situations where you want the carpet to be "extra clean", like moving into a new home with older carpeting.
Rob
Thanks again for the info, Tom!
It's great to hear that canister sales in general have gone up.. That's awesome!!
Rob, I agree.. the full sized models definitely have their place in the market. Me personally.. I don't mind at all to pay for the extra features,accessories etc that come with the TOL full sized models.. At this price point/tier, it is to be expected.
Oh, by way Rob, how are how are you liking your Simplicity Gusto?
It's great to hear that canister sales in general have gone up.. That's awesome!!
Rob, I agree.. the full sized models definitely have their place in the market. Me personally.. I don't mind at all to pay for the extra features,accessories etc that come with the TOL full sized models.. At this price point/tier, it is to be expected.
Oh, by way Rob, how are how are you liking your Simplicity Gusto?
kirbylux77
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Steve - I really like it! It's a good canister vacuum. The MSRP is $1,529 US dollars, the local shop first had it priced at $1,053 CDN dollars when they first brought the Gusto & the Moxie in to sell. They had the Gusto on clearance for $726 & they weren't moving, so I offered $675 & they took it. I think for that price I stole it 
. Compared to the Miele C3 Powerplus canister that is it's direct competition in Canada with the hose handle controls, it is a good vacuum with some minor flaws that could be improved on. I'll have to do a review of it on Vacuumland sometime.
Bottom line is, compared to Miele, Miele has the better bags, filtration, & build quality* , & Riccar/Simplicity has the better hose, wand, powerhead, & attachments. And that's why you ultimately buy a canister over a upright. Don't get me wrong....Miele is nice, but for the build quality & other reasons, they are, in my opinion, rather overpriced for what you get.
Rob
*Some people, including vac shop professionals, would say that since Miele is German made & Riccar/Simplicity are American made with Chinese motor & components, Miele is better build quality. I entirely disagree & think in certain respects both are equal in their own ways.
. Compared to the Miele C3 Powerplus canister that is it's direct competition in Canada with the hose handle controls, it is a good vacuum with some minor flaws that could be improved on. I'll have to do a review of it on Vacuumland sometime. Bottom line is, compared to Miele, Miele has the better bags, filtration, & build quality* , & Riccar/Simplicity has the better hose, wand, powerhead, & attachments. And that's why you ultimately buy a canister over a upright. Don't get me wrong....Miele is nice, but for the build quality & other reasons, they are, in my opinion, rather overpriced for what you get.
Rob
*Some people, including vac shop professionals, would say that since Miele is German made & Riccar/Simplicity are American made with Chinese motor & components, Miele is better build quality. I entirely disagree & think in certain respects both are equal in their own ways.
Will the 120V tandem air powernozzles be available as a package for central vacuums that have electric hoses?This could be a good option.
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