Riccar Pristine.. being discontinued??

[panasonicvac]

Yeah I noticed that too. I also notice that the Riccar VIBPBP is still listed on the website but the Simplicity SYMPBP isn't, I hope the VIBPBP and the SYMPBP will still be around as well because I like the colors on those models.

 

[n0oxy]

new prima

Glad to see that the prima and wonder are such a success. Will the new models use the same motor? I already have the prima, great vacuum for sure, is there any advantage to getting one of the new models when they are released?

 

[dysonman1]

The Woosh and the other model names of the same machine, have been discontinued. It's replacement is awesome. Engineering has been working on it for more than three years to perfect it. I do not know when it's launch date is.

Mike: the tandem air power nozzle holds its advantage for cleaning wall to wall carpeting. There will be three other power nozzles available, so the machine can be customized for each individual home. I am in love with the pearl white color of the new wonder.

 

[s2_82]

Nice!

Having choice is key nowadays, especially when it comes to power nozzles.

Tom, are there any plans to revamp the full sized canisters in the future?
Would love to know

 

[n0oxy]

customization

Yes, customization is a good thing. The electrical connector on the prima hose is also standard, so you can hook up other power nozzles than the Tacony models as well. I've gotten the Prima to work with power nozzles from Wessel Werk, Sebo, and Lindhaus. Will be interesting to see what the tandom power nozzle is like when it's released.

 

[dysonman1]

Steve:

I have heard nothing about the Full Size canister line's fate. As of yesterday, they were building the Riccar full size canisters on the assembly line.

I do know the company is extremely pleased with the durability of the Wonder/Prima machines. So much so, that Tacony is going to build them in America. Sales have increased dramatically, and it now makes sense to build them in the USA.

 

[kirbylux77]

Steve, I don't think the Simplicity Moxie, Gusto, Riccar Immaculate & Impeccable will be discontinued anytime soon. Updated? Yes. I can see how the full-size models would get the Wonder / Prima bag with the plastic collar & their wand & powerhead neck.

The Simplicity Wonder / Riccar Prima machines don't have certain TOL features the full-size canisters do, such as variable speed on the hose handle, bag & filter change indicator on the hose handle, longer hose, activated charcoal filter in the bag chamber, & extra attachments such as the small floor brush onboard. There will always be customers willing to pay extra for those extra features.

Tom - Any possibility we will see a Tandem Air powerhead for the full size canisters in the future? Like I said, I wouldn't own a canister with the Tandem Air powerhead as my only vacuum, but I would be interested in adding it on to my Simplicity Gusto, since I already have the premium powerhead with the dirt sensor. It would be nice to have for those situations where you want the carpet to be "extra clean", like moving into a new home with older carpeting.

Rob

 

[s2_82]

Thanks again for the info, Tom!
It's great to hear that canister sales in general have gone up.. That's awesome!!

Rob, I agree.. the full sized models definitely have their place in the market. Me personally.. I don't mind at all to pay for the extra features,accessories etc that come with the TOL full sized models.. At this price point/tier, it is to be expected.

Oh, by way Rob, how are how are you liking your Simplicity Gusto?

 

[kirbylux77]

Steve - I really like it! It's a good canister vacuum. The MSRP is $1,529 US dollars, the local shop first had it priced at $1,053 CDN dollars when they first brought the Gusto & the Moxie in to sell. They had the Gusto on clearance for $726 & they weren't moving, so I offered $675 & they took it. I think for that price I stole it . Compared to the Miele C3 Powerplus canister that is it's direct competition in Canada with the hose handle controls, it is a good vacuum with some minor flaws that could be improved on. I'll have to do a review of it on Vacuumland sometime.

Bottom line is, compared to Miele, Miele has the better bags, filtration, & build quality* , & Riccar/Simplicity has the better hose, wand, powerhead, & attachments. And that's why you ultimately buy a canister over a upright. Don't get me wrong....Miele is nice, but for the build quality & other reasons, they are, in my opinion, rather overpriced for what you get.

Rob

*Some people, including vac shop professionals, would say that since Miele is German made & Riccar/Simplicity are American made with Chinese motor & components, Miele is better build quality. I entirely disagree & think in certain respects both are equal in their own ways.

 

[tolivac]

Will the 120V tandem air powernozzles be available as a package for central vacuums that have electric hoses?This could be a good option.

 

[dysonman1]

That's a good question. The swivel neck of the Tandem Air power nozzle has a somewhat unique size, as do the wands and hose end. I will have to ask the marketing department what their thoughts are, since all new products start with the marketing department's desire for something particular.

As more and more central vac installations are going with hose management ( hide a hose ), the cordless tandem air power nozzle is selling in much greater quantities. We are selling dramatically less of the "kits" that run to standard or electravalves. With hide a hose, you must use a cordless power nozzle, as the hose is non-electric.

In my personal experience, I have a sixty foot Hide-a-Hose in my home, along with three electravalves, a Vroom (in kitchen), 2 Wally Flex units (over workbench, and in laundry room), and a garage inlet. It's a very rare day I use my 30 foot electric hose and Premium Riccar power nozzle. So much easier to use the Volt tandem air cordless power head with the Hide-A-Hose.

 

[panasonicvac]

I have a question. Since I don't pay attention to canister vacuums and I always forget to ask my current vacuum store about this but what's the difference between the 1800/S36 and the Gusto/Immaculate?

 

[dysonman1]

The hose, and now the circuit board, was changed from the old 1800 style to the new Immaculate model.

 

[n0oxy]

canisters

I much prefer canisters over uprights, they are far more flexible, and with a good power nozzle, will clean carpets as good as an upright, if not better. I'm not a big fan of things such as speed control in the hose, that's just extra electronics that could fail. I think the speed control in the Prima is just a riostat, similar to a light dimmer, although it's probably a bit different since motors have a different inductance than light bulbs. I always leave the motor at full speed though, if I need less suction, I just open the suction relief control. I like the idea of the universal power nozzle becoming a tandom air unit. I have the universal central vacuum power nozzle with a pig tail cord, I think it's similar to the mid range power nozzle for the prima and wonder. Sounds like the Volt and Hide a Hose CX 1000 have been very successful, that's awesome. I used it last year at the convention, it's a great nozzle, and the idea is actually ingenius. If I make it to the convention this year, I would love to bring one of my backpack vacuums and try the volt with that.

 

[panasonicvac]

One last question here. When exactly did Tacony first introduced Central vacuums and what's the difference between all the models that were made? I guess this includes Cyclovac as well because I can tell they're the same machines.

 

[s2_82]

Glad to hear you like it, Rob.. didn't know Tacony products were available in Canada. You definitely got for the biggest deal ever. Miele never really impressed me (uprights especially) much but they still are worth considering for some people.

 

[n0oxy]

woosh and immaculate

Just wondering what the woosh was like, sounds like it's been discontinued but they are working on an update for it, so wondering what kind of machine it was, was it straight suction or power team? I have a Prima, it's a great machine, at the convention in ST. James later this year, I may add an immaculate to my collection, does it offer any advantages over the Prima? Is it more powerful or about the same? I'm assuming it uses a different motor than the Prima. Also, what's the difference between the immaculate and impecible? Is the main unit the same but with a different power nozzle?

 

[kirbylux77]

Mike, if I remember correctly, the Simplicity Woosh was a compact straight air canister, like what Oreck has to go with their uprights. But of course much better quality.

Rob

 

[mixman]

Rob

Are the top of the line Simplicity/ Riccar canisters as quiet as the Miele C3's? Also, do their current top power heads swivel? I heard from a dealer they do not.

 

[n0oxy]

sound of Riccar and Miele

I have a Miele C1 Olympus and a Riccar Prima. As far as I know, all of the Miele canisters use the same motor. I can say for sure that the Riccar Prima is quieter than the Miele C1. Now, the C3 may be quieter than the C1, I think the C3 models may be more sealed. But the Riccar Prima is a very quiet machine, you can have a normal conversation while it's running.