Aerus/LuxInternational discontinuation?

[cheesewonton]

Neither Sebo nor Miele filter to the true HEPA standard, meaning US DOE-STD-3020-2015. That is the original, true and most stringent HEPA standard. This is the standard that requires a filter to entrain 99.97% of particles 0.3 microns in size, a size chosen to correspond to certain radioactive particles present in sites manufacturing and handling nuclear materials. Filter media that entrain 99.97% of particles 0.3 microns in size trap 100% of larger and smaller particles. The standard also specifies a maximum allowable reduction in airflow.

The best Miele filter meets the European Union's H-13 standard, 99.95% particle capture with no particle size specified. Sebo has their own standard they call "S-Class" claiming 99.9% particle capture. If you study global filtration standards there is nothing called "S-Class". It is something Sebo's marketing came up with.

Vacuums like the Hoover Hushtone upright, many Kenmore canister vacs and even the Cirrus VC-439 / VAPamore ( CRAPamore ) MR500 Vento filter to the stricter US DOE HEPA standard.

 

[kirbylux77]

Cheesewonton, you obviously have NOT done your homework on European filtration! If you had, you would see there are actually THREE different standards: Type A, Type B and Type C. Type A filters capture 99.97% of particles that are 0.3 microns in diameter. Type B filters capture 99.999% of particles at 0.3 microns, while Type C filters capture 99.999% at 0.1 microns. So that actually exceeds the American US DOE-STD-3020-2015.

Currently, the only European manufacturer that meets the EN1822 Type C standard is Miele. They redesigned the AH30 and AH50 HEPA Filters for their vacuums to meet the new EN1822 standard in 2013 by removing the charcoal element for odors and stuffing the frame with more HEPA paper. The genuine Original Miele HEPA Filters sold today filter at 99.95% @ 0.1 micron size particles.

Furthermore, Sebo DID NOT come up with the wording "S-Class" to market their filtration system in their vacuums! That's what HEPA Filtration used to be called in the 1990s by various European manufacturers. On Ebay, occasionally you will see old Miele vacuums pop up for sale with their original S-Class exhaust filters - look close enough, and you will see the frame contains HEPA paper.

Now, if we're talking about which vacuum has the best filtration, there are 2 European canisters that are BETTER than Miele and Sebo, and come with ULPA Filtration, the Nilfisk Museum line of canister vacuums, and the Fakir Prestige TS2000 / Soniclean Whisperjet. These canisters filter at 99.999% @ 0.12 microns in size! So, if you want the VERY BEST filtration in a canister vacuum for your home, these should be on your shopping list!

https://www.amazon.com/Soniclean-WhisperJet-C2-Canister-Cleaner/dp/B09B7X5L2W
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Air-CD-TS-2000-Consumption/dp/B074H6K5FP?th=1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEPA
https://www.achooallergy.com/miele-hepa-airclean-filter-ha50.html

 

[cheesewonton]

Cheesewonton, you obviously have NOT done your homework on European filtration! If you had, you would see there are actually THREE different standards: Type A, Type B and Type C. Type A filters capture 99.97% of particles that are 0.3 microns in diameter. Type B filters capture 99.999% of particles at 0.3 microns, while Type C filters capture 99.999% at 0.1 microns. So that actually exceeds the American US DOE-STD-3020-2015.

Currently, the only European manufacturer that meets the EN1822 Type C standard is Miele. They redesigned the AH30 and AH50 HEPA Filters for their vacuums to meet the new EN1822 standard in 2013 by removing the charcoal element for odors and stuffing the frame with more HEPA paper. The genuine Original Miele HEPA Filters sold today filter at 99.95% @ 0.1 micron size particles.

Furthermore, Sebo DID NOT come up with the wording "S-Class" to market their filtration system in their vacuums! That's what HEPA Filtration used to be called in the 1990s by various European manufacturers. On Ebay, occasionally you will see old Miele vacuums pop up for sale with their original S-Class exhaust filters - look close enough, and you will see the frame contains HEPA paper.

Now, if we're talking about which vacuum has the best filtration, there are 2 European canisters that are BETTER than Miele and Sebo, and come with ULPA Filtration, the Nilfisk Museum line of canister vacuums, and the Fakir Prestige TS2000 / Soniclean Whisperjet. These canisters filter at 99.999% @ 0.12 microns in size! So, if you want the VERY BEST filtration in a canister vacuum for your home, these should be on your shopping list!

https://www.amazon.com/Soniclean-WhisperJet-C2-Canister-Cleaner/dp/B09B7X5L2W
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Air-CD-TS-2000-Consumption/dp/B074H6K5FP?th=1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEPA
https://www.achooallergy.com/miele-hepa-airclean-filter-ha50.html

Here are two sources that define filtration standards under DIN EN 1822.

https://airfiltration.mann-hummel.com/en-uk/insights/filter-classification/din-en-1822.html
https://aafeurope.com/solutions-services/indoor-air-quality-iaq/en1822

You see three high level filter classifications, EPA, HEPA and ULPA with further granularity within each high level classification. Under HEPA filtration you see two further classifications, H-13 which requires 99.95% particle capture and H-14 which requires 99.995% particle capture. There is nothing in the published standard about Type A, B or C.

All of the boxes for Genuine Miele brand bags and filters I have ever seen, if there is anything on the box indicating a filter standard it will say "HEPA 13" which implies to me Miele's best exhaust filter meets the H-13 standard. Note their activated charcoal filter is not HEPA rated nor is the electrostatic exhaust filter. If you look at Electrolux Group products their best exhaust filters have H-13 stamped on them. Same for Lux International vacuums like my D820 or European filters for the Intelligence series ( noting carefully that most aftermarket filters are not HEPA rated ). H-13 is not HEPA by the US standard but close enough. The genuine Sebo filters and dust bags I buy claim 99.9% particle capture and at every bag change I find dog hair has passed right through the very best Sebo bag to impale itself on the pre-motor filter. Every time. The reality is the floor nozzle unavoidably stirs up more dust than anything coming out of the vacuum's exhaust. I would say frequency of vacuuming counts for more than nitpicking filtration levels.

For a time in the early 2000s ULPA filtered household canister vacuums were a bit of a fad in Japan. I have examples from Mitsubishi, Hitachi, Sanyo and Panasonic, with the Airsis series canister vacs claiming 99.999% particle capture down to 0.08 microns. Your guess is as good as mine if it actually achieves this. The filter sells for about $85 in Japan, more by the time it arrives at my home in the US. My Hitachi CV-RP9000 uses some sort of electronic process to filter the exhaust air.

 

[cheesewonton]

Here is an ULPA filtered industrial vacuum from the other side of the world. The Eurocentric crowd often doesn't realize that Japan makes some very high quality household appliances including their vacuum cleaners.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3967093116...001&customid=3a71994b4fa019af8609f1373ce857c8

 

[cheesewonton]

This is the original Sanyo Airsis, an ULPA filtered household vacuum that at the time was the most expensive vacuum made in Japan ( priced around the equivalent of $1,300 US ). I have all four generations of the Airsis in my collection.

https://external-content.duckduckgo...a362cb8083cc2b1b0e9f5bffcc49cb51147857c3da867

 

[cheesewonton]

Third gen Airsis sold first by Sanyo and after the buyout the same machine was sold as the Panasonic MC-SXJ4000. Sanyo called it the SC-XD31. This is my favorite variant. You might remember that power nozzle as it was sold with the Panasonic MC-CG955, a Kenmore bagless model and by Cen-Tec as the CT10QD Quiet Response. My all time favorite Japanese power nozzle and naturally no parts for it anywhere now. I have extra brush rolls but only two sets of belts and no spare motors. The upper surface of the canister body is translucent and there are LED lights underneath that put on a bit of a light show as you vacuum. It is my favorite because the ULPA filter is easiest to access on this one, through a hatch on the bottom. Three screws and the hatch is off. The motor blows down into the center of the circular filter ( looks like an old style circular car air filter ) then out the sides and out the back of the vacuum. On earlier versions of the Airsis you had to do some disassembly to dig out the ULPA filter. Same filter element on both.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https://auctions.c.yimg.jp/images.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/image/dr000/auc0508/user/10f02bc5e8e7682bcc8a09fac792c6f964e63cd333509383e3fd6db93652a356/i-img1198x898-17248474296343oggbxy341601.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=f8ca47406ae39e32f6a94a820c8fcf93eea4759b0dfe43bc00b74c9d65be23d7

 

[paul]

Was over at the Lux International website today. Noticed they only have two types of vacuums listed now. A quick stick type and one of those cordless units which is their version of the Dyson. However, the TOL intelligence is not listed any longer. Does anyone know anything about this? Has it been discontinued? If so what will be Aerus’ answer for a “top of the line” canister vacuum be?

Apparently, the Lux S115 is now being sold by Pure Life as the Richter S115:

https://purelifehome.eu/#

From AI:

Pure Life International is related to Lux International.Several former Lux International subsidiaries in Europe (Poland, Austria, Hungary, and Germany) have been sold to a new investor and now operate under the name Pure Life.The new company will market products under the "Richter" brand and will continue to offer accessories and parts for existing Lux products

This may mean, then, that the LGP will remain in production for awhile.

 

[cheesewonton]

Apparently, the Lux S115 is now being sold by Pure Life as the Richter S115:

https://purelifehome.eu/#

From AI:

Pure Life International is related to Lux International.Several former Lux International subsidiaries in Europe (Poland, Austria, Hungary, and Germany) have been sold to a new investor and now operate under the name Pure Life.The new company will market products under the "Richter" brand and will continue to offer accessories and parts for existing Lux products

This may mean, then, that the LGP will remain in production for awhile.

I wonder what their relationship to Lux International parent, Eureka Forbes of India is? Funny aside but I discovered the Intelligence is sold in India as the Eureka Forbes Euroclean Xtreme dry vacuum cleaner.

https://pricee.com/eureka-forbes-euroclean-xtreme-dry-vacuum-cleaner-price-in-india-54017

 

[paul]

I wonder what their relationship to Lux International parent, Eureka Forbes of India is? Funny aside but I discovered the Intelligence is sold in India as the Eureka Forbes Euroclean Xtreme dry vacuum cleaner.

https://pricee.com/eureka-forbes-euroclean-xtreme-dry-vacuum-cleaner-price-in-india-54017

I found the Lux Intelligence US (filed 2008/granted 2010) patent by accident while searching for general information. Btw, experience has taught that the filing year is most often when production begins:

 

[cheesewonton]

Great finds ! Really good research.

Did a patent search on Frank Bosshard ( how would you like to work for someone named Bosshard !!! ). He's a hired gun industrial designer. His several patents are for things like an elevator control panel, coffee maker water tanks, a "key switch", and a frothing nozzle ( cappuccino machine ?). No other vacuums aside from the Intelligence.

A patent search of Lutz Gebhardt reveals he's an electrical engineer with patents for surge protectors, an air purifier, the same frothing nozzle that Frank Bosshard collaborated on, some knobs for cookware lids, several coffee makers, a coffee maker water tank and several display screens for graphic user interfaces, plus one vacuum.

Both fellows have worked on projects for a variety of companies. Neither of them had any prior experience designing vacuum cleaners and unfortunately is shows. Their design is very elegant but too delicate for the kind of abuse most owners will dish out to their vacuum.

https://patents.justia.com/inventor/frank-bosshard
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/lutz-gebhardt