Researching Vacuums

[stricklybojack]

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Lol, I am suddenly reminded why I haven't posted here much for awhile.
Thanks for acknowledging, that of the two of us, I am the one who actually owns a Windsor, the brand you are recommending.
A vacuum I bought used and not working, at 2% of it's retail cost, a vacuum which I buy bags and filters for here, in America, the country in question, as it is where countrydirtcountrydirt lives too.
My point all along has been, FOR THE MONEY SPENT there are better choices HERE for the typical homeowner at the budget mentioned.
Ahem, IMO, which is sorta implied of course, but I will mention it anyhow.

When I see a link to a new Windsor/Sebo machine, with warranty, that one can buy, under $500 delivered with tax, well then certainly some progress will have been made from where things stand now.
I can do that for Nilfisk, Lindhaus maybe-maybe not, but not at all for Windsor. That doesn't mean there isn't one out there, but I can't find it.

When companies buy commercial vacuums, they sometimes do so in bulk, and more importantly write off the expense on their taxes. That alone saves them 30-40% compared to what we pay. They probably have accounts with janitorial supply houses and easily meet the minimum for free shipping on bags, belts, filters, etc.
Pictured are three vacs currently in rotation, two of which are commercial, one a Tacony product, the Powr-Flite. After 200 or so vacs it may well be my favorite TO USE. It just does everything I need, very well and quietly. I also like my Miele, Nilfisk, Lindhaus and Windsor, all bought used for a fraction of new. So I not pushing Tacony per say I just find a lot of value in many of their products in the market here. I really like commercial vacs (have over a dozen), Dial-A-Matics too (have at least 4), now a Hoover Dial commercial, that would really be a find!
Here's a plug for Sebo, they do not show up USED very often, and when they do the asking price is high, when I find one at a good price I will add one to my hoard.

 

[stricklybojack]

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Yes EP I believe you are right on Panasonic. I said copied but I didn't mean they did so illegally or unscrupulously. And I thought (I very well might be wrong!) that Singer had the first bypass upright...that is why I said Hoover put it on the map.

And you are so right about the New Hoover WindTunnel hose. I still enjoy my original olive green
WindTunnel thrift store find. See link on the thread I started when I fixed it up...

http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?23335

 

[sebo_fan]

“I am suddenly reminded why I haven’t posted here much for a while.”

Yes, you and me too.

If it takes you so many amount of posts to admit you finally own a vacuum cleaner from the same brand BUT A SEBO / WINDSOR vacuum that wasn’t even RECOMMENDED in the first place instead of jumping on assumption with another model then perhaps you wouldn’t feel this way.

There are also countless other posts on this forum indicating collectors buying second hand /refurbed WINDSOR SENSOR uprights at cheap prices. Craigslists often have Windsor uprights on sale for example and they’re not exactly expensive.

 

[countrydirt]

I've decided

After looking at all the different recommendations,reading reviews and checking out locations of dealers. I made an offer on the cirrus, it should be delivered later this week. I appreciate all of the assistance and guidance from all, thank you

 

[sebo_fan]

Good luck with the Cirrus [this post was last edited: 1/4/2016-00:25]

 

[gottahaveahoove]

Wow! I'll stay FAR from the food fights, but..........

yes, Panasonic did BUY the patents from HOOVER. Those Panasonics are fashioned after the HOOVER Dial-A-Matics. They always claimed to 'fix all the problems'. The Hoover "Concept series" did as well.

Whatever you choose, ENJOY your VACUUM.

 

[ralph123]

StrictlyBojack said: "The Cirrus, Riccar, Simplicity, Fuller Brush, Powr-Flite, Carpet Pro, are all the same basic machine design, all made, assembled, or imported by the Tacony corporation."

I don't think the Cirrus is a Tacony product. It seems to be a Chinese copy. Hopefully the sage Tom Gasko can clarify.

 

[sebo4me]

The 1200w Henry had a very poor floorhead there was a lot of room for improvement there! Not so much room for improvement with the Miele or Sebo floorheads.

I will put my 2200w Miele S8 up against one of the 800w Eco models and we will see which one cleans better

 

[turbo500]

Wrong thread, Paul.

 

[vac-o-matic]

Hey Jeff, we're on the same page, although I'm far from an expert. I didn't think Cirrus had any connection to Tacony either. There's so many machines coming from China anymore, it's hard to keep up. I was wondering if Tom would have in input here to verify.

 

[sebo4me]

Haha I know it was very early

 

[dysonman1]

The Cirrus is a Chinese copy of a Bernina upright. It has nothing to do with tacony. Tacony's vacuums (Maytag, Simplicity, Riccar) are standouts with regard to your COST TO OWN. The repair parts (brush stips, belts, filters, bags) are very reasonable in cost and very commonly available. Tacony's machines are molded, painted, and manufactured in St. James, Missouri. Even if you don't give two shits about American workers having jobs, the fact that the quality control is so extremely high should guide you to a Tacony cleaner. The Chinese have no idea what the words "quality control" mean. That's why the canister cleaners Tacony has made for them in China are fully taken apart (every one of them) and inspected, reassembled, and boxed with American-Made attachments and power nozzles. The Chinese are NOT to be trusted blindly. They will put anything in a box to get it "out the door" to fill an order. When the VCCC visited the Tacony factory, they all walked past and were shown the Quality Control area. Tacony doesn't just send a Chinese canister product out into the field before it's disassembled and tested first before being reboxed. That's why no one is having a single problem with any Riccar Prima or Simplicity Wonder canister vacuum.

 

[sebo4me]

If Tacony take apart and resemble cannisters made in China which is commendable why not make them in the US in the first place?

 

[tolivac]

Yes,wouldn't it be cheaper and BETTER to build the machine in the US or whatever country it is to be sold in?In this case think the Chinese assembly could be eliminated.

 

[kirbysthebest]

Chinese assembly

Was discussed in great depth on this thread. 


 


 



http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?28570

 

[sptyks]

I'm sure Tacony does the teardown and reassembly because it must somehow give them a significant cost savings to do so.


 


I'm sure it would be very costly to move the whole assembly line machinery and hire the extra employees needed to run it.

 

[sebo_fan]

Well, it depends on your view on what describes a 100% American made product.

Screwdriver assembly as it is usually known as sometimes puts buyers noses out of joint. I dont mind it. In my view if a product is stripped down and made better for the market it has arrived in, all the better for it - but don't go falsely advertising an appliance if it has arrived from another country of origin where it is made from molds etc.

 

[stricklybojack]

I stand corrected, thank you Dysonman1, I hoped you would chime in. Here is the wiki break down of Tacony floorcare brands:

Home Floor Care
Riccar, Simplicity, Tacony Vac Pros, Fuller Brush Company

Commercial Floor Care
CFR, Powr-Flite, Truvox, Tornado.

My Power flight, pictured above looks exactly like my Carpet Pro which isn't listed.
Although being a Tacony labeled vac, this particular Powr model no doubt was made overseas.
I wrongly lumped Cirrus in to the group because I thought they were linked to Carpet Pro, and they might indeed be, but certainly not Tacony, thanks for clearing it up Tom.