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I really appreciate all of your input. The cirrus looks very interesting, as does the windsor, and maytag...
What is the availability of parts for the windsor, maytag, and cirrus? How long are parts available after they stop making a model?
Has anyone worked on or taken any of these apart? How easy are these models to work on? If there is a clog how simple is it to clean out and go again?
Thank you!
What is the availability of parts for the windsor, maytag, and cirrus? How long are parts available after they stop making a model?
Has anyone worked on or taken any of these apart? How easy are these models to work on? If there is a clog how simple is it to clean out and go again?
Thank you!
stricklybojack
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The Cirrus, Riccar, Simplicity, Fuller Brush, Powr-Flite, Carpet Pro, are all the same basic machine design, all made, assembled, or imported by the Tacony corporation. There are two basic sizes, and scads of different features, above floor cleaning being the most notable. So most parts are plentiful and interchangeable and these rank as some of the easiest to work on bypass machines.
This design was copied from Panasonic who copied it from Hoover...still with me?
Tacony has made significant improvements from it's predecessors, that said the Hoover Dial-A-Matic will always be a collector favorite.
Also, and this is big, the bags and parts are available more cheaply and readily than Sebo/Windsor.
Can you even get Hepa bags for a Windsor, and if so what does that cost?
If your have the same height of carpet, why get a self adjusting vacuum? If you don't, and have carpet that varies significantly in height than go for this Rubber Maid and save big bucks. Or get the non-auto height adjusting model and save even more.
Rubber Maid has been labeling and selling commercial vacs for years now, and if you have lower pile carpet, not shag, commercial vacs can make a lot of sense.
This outlet has great prices on commercial vacs, most restaurants have one, so it's no wonder.
I encourage the Windsor fans to link to actual vacs and bags for sale and let's see what things run.
These are 12" vacs I think they are also available in 15" models.
Lastly, if you want a solid European designed commercial vacuum i would definitely consider the Nilfisk Advance machines or Lindhaus as well as Widsor/Sebo.
http://www.webstaurantstore.com/rub...c-power-height-upright-vacuum/6901868438.html
The Cirrus, Riccar, Simplicity, Fuller Brush, Powr-Flite, Carpet Pro, are all the same basic machine design, all made, assembled, or imported by the Tacony corporation. There are two basic sizes, and scads of different features, above floor cleaning being the most notable. So most parts are plentiful and interchangeable and these rank as some of the easiest to work on bypass machines.
This design was copied from Panasonic who copied it from Hoover...still with me?
Tacony has made significant improvements from it's predecessors, that said the Hoover Dial-A-Matic will always be a collector favorite.
Also, and this is big, the bags and parts are available more cheaply and readily than Sebo/Windsor.
Can you even get Hepa bags for a Windsor, and if so what does that cost?
If your have the same height of carpet, why get a self adjusting vacuum? If you don't, and have carpet that varies significantly in height than go for this Rubber Maid and save big bucks. Or get the non-auto height adjusting model and save even more.
Rubber Maid has been labeling and selling commercial vacs for years now, and if you have lower pile carpet, not shag, commercial vacs can make a lot of sense.
This outlet has great prices on commercial vacs, most restaurants have one, so it's no wonder.
I encourage the Windsor fans to link to actual vacs and bags for sale and let's see what things run.
These are 12" vacs I think they are also available in 15" models.
Lastly, if you want a solid European designed commercial vacuum i would definitely consider the Nilfisk Advance machines or Lindhaus as well as Widsor/Sebo.
http://www.webstaurantstore.com/rub...c-power-height-upright-vacuum/6901868438.html
stricklybojack
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Okay, i am on a proper desktop computer and off my ipad so now i can better reply.
First off, Maytag labeled machines ARE Tacony made bypass vacuums. Riccar/Simplicity are Tacony's two mirror image nameplates that sell in local vacuum shops and offer "higher end" options...all the way up to two motor, Tandem Air" designs. Those are a non-bypass first motor then a bypass second motor. Over budget and the non-bypass first motor is not what you specified as needing.
Maytag is a new line, i don't know how they are being marketed. At some point Dysonman1 will notice this thread and clue us in, as i believe he works for Tacony at their vacuum museum.
As Vintagerepairer said, the Tacony vacs are substantial but light to push...good point.
I posted the WindTunnel because that is the grandson of Hoover's Dial-A-Matic from the 1960's which put bypass vacuums on the map, as far as i know. AND it is a great performer, just stupid loud. Also now the machine has a chintzier build feeling compared to earlier/original versions of the machine.
The Sebo Windsor and other Euro makes do one thing very well, they lay flat for getting under things like higher beds and the like. Orecks do too, but lets no go there, the natives are getting restless (some don't see the charm i do in the Oreck)and they are most often non-bypass design machines.
I mentioned the SeboFlix / Windsor Axcess because i knew it was only a matter of time before some else did. Really not what you seem to need. Vacuuming outside proves what exactly? Don't answer that, because i think it was Gsheen (a vacuum shop owner from South Africa) who mentioned here on VL he thought the quality had dropped some on the Sebo. Also KirbyloverDan i recall agreeing with him on that point. Are they still posting here? I've been away for awhile. I can't say because i don't have experience with the older Sebo/Windsor models being discussed.
Generally, Windsor sells the same vac here for more than Sebo sells the same vac across the pond...but less than Sebo sells vacs for here, got that? Nuts how involved this can be, but great if you need a hobby like apparently lots of us here do.
Canister? If you want one of those countrydirt let us know.
On Berber, a floating head (witch is self-adjusting for height by design- no mechanism to break- is fine...deep shag not so much, AFAIK. Those more expert will hopefully help inform the situation and tell us.
Being that today's vacs have one or more filters price those too. I think you will find that Windsor is more costly in that department too.
Okay, i am on a proper desktop computer and off my ipad so now i can better reply.
First off, Maytag labeled machines ARE Tacony made bypass vacuums. Riccar/Simplicity are Tacony's two mirror image nameplates that sell in local vacuum shops and offer "higher end" options...all the way up to two motor, Tandem Air" designs. Those are a non-bypass first motor then a bypass second motor. Over budget and the non-bypass first motor is not what you specified as needing.
Maytag is a new line, i don't know how they are being marketed. At some point Dysonman1 will notice this thread and clue us in, as i believe he works for Tacony at their vacuum museum.
As Vintagerepairer said, the Tacony vacs are substantial but light to push...good point.
I posted the WindTunnel because that is the grandson of Hoover's Dial-A-Matic from the 1960's which put bypass vacuums on the map, as far as i know. AND it is a great performer, just stupid loud. Also now the machine has a chintzier build feeling compared to earlier/original versions of the machine.
The Sebo Windsor and other Euro makes do one thing very well, they lay flat for getting under things like higher beds and the like. Orecks do too, but lets no go there, the natives are getting restless (some don't see the charm i do in the Oreck)and they are most often non-bypass design machines.
I mentioned the SeboFlix / Windsor Axcess because i knew it was only a matter of time before some else did. Really not what you seem to need. Vacuuming outside proves what exactly? Don't answer that, because i think it was Gsheen (a vacuum shop owner from South Africa) who mentioned here on VL he thought the quality had dropped some on the Sebo. Also KirbyloverDan i recall agreeing with him on that point. Are they still posting here? I've been away for awhile. I can't say because i don't have experience with the older Sebo/Windsor models being discussed.
Generally, Windsor sells the same vac here for more than Sebo sells the same vac across the pond...but less than Sebo sells vacs for here, got that? Nuts how involved this can be, but great if you need a hobby like apparently lots of us here do.
Canister? If you want one of those countrydirt let us know.
On Berber, a floating head (witch is self-adjusting for height by design- no mechanism to break- is fine...deep shag not so much, AFAIK. Those more expert will hopefully help inform the situation and tell us.
Being that today's vacs have one or more filters price those too. I think you will find that Windsor is more costly in that department too.
Maybe in the US but in the UK Sebo Ultra bags are £1 each. The Sebo box which includes 8 bags and the filters costs £20. You only need to change the filter after every 16 bags so it is very cheap to run. You can pick up a Sebo X4 or Felix for just over £200 here,so they are fantastic value. I've not seen any drop in build quality, they are very solid vacs.
sebo_fan
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A SIMILAR APPROACH WITH SEBO.
THE WINDSOR SENSOR and SEBO X are the same vacuum, so parts and spares in the U.S are usually plentiful. This can’t be said for later models since SEBO only came to the U.S only a few years ago to sell their own domestic, more cosmetic ranges.
The brand that Stricklybojack has identified as being the ORIGINAL BRAND behind it all, Hoover U.S who are now behind TTI also COPIED SEBO and brought out their own SEBO copy made in China known as the PROFILE and INSIGHT; both models suffer from poorer plastics and feedback online has been limited to say the least from actual owners in terms of positivity.
The WINDSOR SENSOR and SEBO X were designed to be maintained and repaired by the owner - all parts are accessible and other SEBO parts also share a commonality.
Because it is German there are particular points about the SEBO X design that other brands have tried to copy but at the end of the day the machines go on for years - Mine is 18 years old for example and I use mine regularly.
Whilst NILFISK and LINDHAUS are perfectly good brands, they’re not as simple to fix as the SEBO X design; parts are limited and the machines can be a bit too bulky to use. They have some good well thought out features but with a removable cable and features fit for COMMERCIAL markets, the Windsor Sensor is based on a domestic model that SEBO purposefully designed for way back in 1995 so it has a fixed cord for starters, or at least a locked in cord that goes in part with the machine.
The reason SEBO prices in the U.S are different is because the models are slightly more powerful and have a more modern appearance. Anyone with a degree of intelligence can work that out by looking at the design of the Windsor versus the smoother X4 series.
THE GREAT HEPA DEBATE continues to go on as time itself: As usual some are of the opinion that HEPA is the best and they latch onto it as if it is a far superior system. In reality, S-CLASS filters are cleaner and longer lasting: Miele used S-Class before they brought out HEPA filters.
Both Miele and SEBO offer filters that have to be bought to replace; it purges the vacuum cleaner both with the removal of the dust bag.
End of the day the X series is an excellently designed vacuum for the home owner. It has a few downsides, but there is NEVER A PERFECT VACUUM CLEANER: Brush rolls are always going to have to be cleaned to free them of hair, even if some companies have brought out fancy blades to rip the hair off.
As for Kirbyloverdan - oh yes, the famous member on here who has thousands of vacuums and whilst he is a great collector, he also has his own opinion on the SEBO/WINDSOR brand.
But I also have an opinion and there are PLENTY of other members on here in support of the SEBO/WINDSOR brand BOTH from the U.S and other countries - who also have an opinion.
End of the day, whatever NONSENSE Strictlybojack tries in order to present TACONY as being the WONDERMENT OF AMERICAN PRODUCTION, the reality is that SOME of their vacuums are actually made in China.
And clearly if you don't realise that taking out a domestic vacuum with a brush roll and using it on concrete that can rip out weeds provides insight into how WELL an upright vacuum stands up to that kind of abuse clearly dictates that there is something missing in your arsenal of actual QUALITY and DURABILITY knowledge.
THE WINDSOR SENSOR and SEBO X are the same vacuum, so parts and spares in the U.S are usually plentiful. This can’t be said for later models since SEBO only came to the U.S only a few years ago to sell their own domestic, more cosmetic ranges.
The brand that Stricklybojack has identified as being the ORIGINAL BRAND behind it all, Hoover U.S who are now behind TTI also COPIED SEBO and brought out their own SEBO copy made in China known as the PROFILE and INSIGHT; both models suffer from poorer plastics and feedback online has been limited to say the least from actual owners in terms of positivity.
The WINDSOR SENSOR and SEBO X were designed to be maintained and repaired by the owner - all parts are accessible and other SEBO parts also share a commonality.
Because it is German there are particular points about the SEBO X design that other brands have tried to copy but at the end of the day the machines go on for years - Mine is 18 years old for example and I use mine regularly.
Whilst NILFISK and LINDHAUS are perfectly good brands, they’re not as simple to fix as the SEBO X design; parts are limited and the machines can be a bit too bulky to use. They have some good well thought out features but with a removable cable and features fit for COMMERCIAL markets, the Windsor Sensor is based on a domestic model that SEBO purposefully designed for way back in 1995 so it has a fixed cord for starters, or at least a locked in cord that goes in part with the machine.
The reason SEBO prices in the U.S are different is because the models are slightly more powerful and have a more modern appearance. Anyone with a degree of intelligence can work that out by looking at the design of the Windsor versus the smoother X4 series.
THE GREAT HEPA DEBATE continues to go on as time itself: As usual some are of the opinion that HEPA is the best and they latch onto it as if it is a far superior system. In reality, S-CLASS filters are cleaner and longer lasting: Miele used S-Class before they brought out HEPA filters.
Both Miele and SEBO offer filters that have to be bought to replace; it purges the vacuum cleaner both with the removal of the dust bag.
End of the day the X series is an excellently designed vacuum for the home owner. It has a few downsides, but there is NEVER A PERFECT VACUUM CLEANER: Brush rolls are always going to have to be cleaned to free them of hair, even if some companies have brought out fancy blades to rip the hair off.
As for Kirbyloverdan - oh yes, the famous member on here who has thousands of vacuums and whilst he is a great collector, he also has his own opinion on the SEBO/WINDSOR brand.
But I also have an opinion and there are PLENTY of other members on here in support of the SEBO/WINDSOR brand BOTH from the U.S and other countries - who also have an opinion.
End of the day, whatever NONSENSE Strictlybojack tries in order to present TACONY as being the WONDERMENT OF AMERICAN PRODUCTION, the reality is that SOME of their vacuums are actually made in China.
And clearly if you don't realise that taking out a domestic vacuum with a brush roll and using it on concrete that can rip out weeds provides insight into how WELL an upright vacuum stands up to that kind of abuse clearly dictates that there is something missing in your arsenal of actual QUALITY and DURABILITY knowledge.
sebo_fan
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THIS IS NOT HOW I INTENDED TO START MY NEW YEAR.
but Thank you Sebo4Me. I am not a dealer for SEBO, I am not a salesperson for SEBO and they I have never worked for them.
I came from being a vintage Hoover upright collector to the German brand through my late parents; I still love Hoover classic uprights to this day; its like your first car; you never forget your first driver.
However Im fed up of this utter BS between high end opinion where actual ownership is clearly not all that identifiable versus members with high opinions who latch onto others.
Strictlybojack owns a SEBO commercial 2 motor driven upright. The Windsor Sensor is NOT. Its like comparing apples and oranges.
but Thank you Sebo4Me. I am not a dealer for SEBO, I am not a salesperson for SEBO and they I have never worked for them.
I came from being a vintage Hoover upright collector to the German brand through my late parents; I still love Hoover classic uprights to this day; its like your first car; you never forget your first driver.
However Im fed up of this utter BS between high end opinion where actual ownership is clearly not all that identifiable versus members with high opinions who latch onto others.
Strictlybojack owns a SEBO commercial 2 motor driven upright. The Windsor Sensor is NOT. Its like comparing apples and oranges.
Hi Robert!
Just to clarify for the sake of accuracy...you wrote that:
"This design was copied from Panasonic who copied it from Hoover..."
I may be wrong, but didn't Panasonic legally buy the Dial-a-Matic patent/design from Hoover in the 1970's? That's what I always thought.
Some really interesting vacuum history with the evolution of the most common upright design now on the market (this bypass DAM design).
Eurekaprince Brian
By the way, as much as I loved cleaning carpet with our Hoover Self-Propelled Ultra WindTunnel (same as the Anniversary SP WindTunnel), cleaning above the floor with the rather short, springy hose was rather uncomfortable - made even harder by the lack of a suction relief valve.
Just to clarify for the sake of accuracy...you wrote that:
"This design was copied from Panasonic who copied it from Hoover..."
I may be wrong, but didn't Panasonic legally buy the Dial-a-Matic patent/design from Hoover in the 1970's? That's what I always thought.
Some really interesting vacuum history with the evolution of the most common upright design now on the market (this bypass DAM design).
Eurekaprince Brian
By the way, as much as I loved cleaning carpet with our Hoover Self-Propelled Ultra WindTunnel (same as the Anniversary SP WindTunnel), cleaning above the floor with the rather short, springy hose was rather uncomfortable - made even harder by the lack of a suction relief valve.
stricklybojack
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Lol, I am suddenly reminded why I haven't posted here much for awhile.
Thanks for acknowledging, that of the two of us, I am the one who actually owns a Windsor, the brand you are recommending.
A vacuum I bought used and not working, at 2% of it's retail cost, a vacuum which I buy bags and filters for here, in America, the country in question, as it is where countrydirtcountrydirt lives too.
My point all along has been, FOR THE MONEY SPENT there are better choices HERE for the typical homeowner at the budget mentioned.
Ahem, IMO, which is sorta implied of course, but I will mention it anyhow.
When I see a link to a new Windsor/Sebo machine, with warranty, that one can buy, under $500 delivered with tax, well then certainly some progress will have been made from where things stand now.
I can do that for Nilfisk, Lindhaus maybe-maybe not, but not at all for Windsor. That doesn't mean there isn't one out there, but I can't find it.
When companies buy commercial vacuums, they sometimes do so in bulk, and more importantly write off the expense on their taxes. That alone saves them 30-40% compared to what we pay. They probably have accounts with janitorial supply houses and easily meet the minimum for free shipping on bags, belts, filters, etc.
Pictured are three vacs currently in rotation, two of which are commercial, one a Tacony product, the Powr-Flite. After 200 or so vacs it may well be my favorite TO USE. It just does everything I need, very well and quietly. I also like my Miele, Nilfisk, Lindhaus and Windsor, all bought used for a fraction of new. So I not pushing Tacony per say I just find a lot of value in many of their products in the market here. I really like commercial vacs (have over a dozen), Dial-A-Matics too (have at least 4), now a Hoover Dial commercial, that would really be a find!
Here's a plug for Sebo, they do not show up USED very often, and when they do the asking price is high, when I find one at a good price I will add one to my hoard.
Lol, I am suddenly reminded why I haven't posted here much for awhile.
Thanks for acknowledging, that of the two of us, I am the one who actually owns a Windsor, the brand you are recommending.
A vacuum I bought used and not working, at 2% of it's retail cost, a vacuum which I buy bags and filters for here, in America, the country in question, as it is where countrydirtcountrydirt lives too.
My point all along has been, FOR THE MONEY SPENT there are better choices HERE for the typical homeowner at the budget mentioned.
Ahem, IMO, which is sorta implied of course, but I will mention it anyhow.
When I see a link to a new Windsor/Sebo machine, with warranty, that one can buy, under $500 delivered with tax, well then certainly some progress will have been made from where things stand now.
I can do that for Nilfisk, Lindhaus maybe-maybe not, but not at all for Windsor. That doesn't mean there isn't one out there, but I can't find it.
When companies buy commercial vacuums, they sometimes do so in bulk, and more importantly write off the expense on their taxes. That alone saves them 30-40% compared to what we pay. They probably have accounts with janitorial supply houses and easily meet the minimum for free shipping on bags, belts, filters, etc.
Pictured are three vacs currently in rotation, two of which are commercial, one a Tacony product, the Powr-Flite. After 200 or so vacs it may well be my favorite TO USE. It just does everything I need, very well and quietly. I also like my Miele, Nilfisk, Lindhaus and Windsor, all bought used for a fraction of new. So I not pushing Tacony per say I just find a lot of value in many of their products in the market here. I really like commercial vacs (have over a dozen), Dial-A-Matics too (have at least 4), now a Hoover Dial commercial, that would really be a find!
Here's a plug for Sebo, they do not show up USED very often, and when they do the asking price is high, when I find one at a good price I will add one to my hoard.
stricklybojack
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Yes EP I believe you are right on Panasonic. I said copied but I didn't mean they did so illegally or unscrupulously. And I thought (I very well might be wrong!) that Singer had the first bypass upright...that is why I said Hoover put it on the map.
And you are so right about the New Hoover WindTunnel hose. I still enjoy my original olive green
WindTunnel thrift store find. See link on the thread I started when I fixed it up...
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?23335
Yes EP I believe you are right on Panasonic. I said copied but I didn't mean they did so illegally or unscrupulously. And I thought (I very well might be wrong!) that Singer had the first bypass upright...that is why I said Hoover put it on the map.
And you are so right about the New Hoover WindTunnel hose. I still enjoy my original olive green
WindTunnel thrift store find. See link on the thread I started when I fixed it up...
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?23335
sebo_fan
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“I am suddenly reminded why I haven’t posted here much for a while.”
Yes, you and me too.
If it takes you so many amount of posts to admit you finally own a vacuum cleaner from the same brand BUT A SEBO / WINDSOR vacuum that wasn’t even RECOMMENDED in the first place instead of jumping on assumption with another model then perhaps you wouldn’t feel this way.
There are also countless other posts on this forum indicating collectors buying second hand /refurbed WINDSOR SENSOR uprights at cheap prices. Craigslists often have Windsor uprights on sale for example and they’re not exactly expensive.
Yes, you and me too.
If it takes you so many amount of posts to admit you finally own a vacuum cleaner from the same brand BUT A SEBO / WINDSOR vacuum that wasn’t even RECOMMENDED in the first place instead of jumping on assumption with another model then perhaps you wouldn’t feel this way.
There are also countless other posts on this forum indicating collectors buying second hand /refurbed WINDSOR SENSOR uprights at cheap prices. Craigslists often have Windsor uprights on sale for example and they’re not exactly expensive.
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I've decided
After looking at all the different recommendations,reading reviews and checking out locations of dealers. I made an offer on the cirrus, it should be delivered later this week. I appreciate all of the assistance and guidance from all, thank you
After looking at all the different recommendations,reading reviews and checking out locations of dealers. I made an offer on the cirrus, it should be delivered later this week. I appreciate all of the assistance and guidance from all, thank you
sebo_fan
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Good luck with the Cirrus [this post was last edited: 1/4/2016-00:25]
Wow! I'll stay FAR from the food fights, but..........
yes, Panasonic did BUY the patents from HOOVER. Those Panasonics are fashioned after the HOOVER Dial-A-Matics. They always claimed to 'fix all the problems'. The Hoover "Concept series" did as well.
Whatever you choose, ENJOY your VACUUM.
yes, Panasonic did BUY the patents from HOOVER. Those Panasonics are fashioned after the HOOVER Dial-A-Matics. They always claimed to 'fix all the problems'. The Hoover "Concept series" did as well.
Whatever you choose, ENJOY your VACUUM.
ralph123
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StrictlyBojack said: "The Cirrus, Riccar, Simplicity, Fuller Brush, Powr-Flite, Carpet Pro, are all the same basic machine design, all made, assembled, or imported by the Tacony corporation."
I don't think the Cirrus is a Tacony product. It seems to be a Chinese copy. Hopefully the sage Tom Gasko can clarify.
I don't think the Cirrus is a Tacony product. It seems to be a Chinese copy. Hopefully the sage Tom Gasko can clarify.
The 1200w Henry had a very poor floorhead there was a lot of room for improvement there! Not so much room for improvement with the Miele or Sebo floorheads.
I will put my 2200w Miele S8 up against one of the 800w Eco models and we will see which one cleans better
I will put my 2200w Miele S8 up against one of the 800w Eco models and we will see which one cleans better
turbo500
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Wrong thread, Paul.
vac-o-matic
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Hey Jeff, we're on the same page, although I'm far from an expert. I didn't think Cirrus had any connection to Tacony either. There's so many machines coming from China anymore, it's hard to keep up. I was wondering if Tom would have in input here to verify.
dysonman1
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The Cirrus is a Chinese copy of a Bernina upright. It has nothing to do with tacony. Tacony's vacuums (Maytag, Simplicity, Riccar) are standouts with regard to your COST TO OWN. The repair parts (brush stips, belts, filters, bags) are very reasonable in cost and very commonly available. Tacony's machines are molded, painted, and manufactured in St. James, Missouri. Even if you don't give two shits about American workers having jobs, the fact that the quality control is so extremely high should guide you to a Tacony cleaner. The Chinese have no idea what the words "quality control" mean. That's why the canister cleaners Tacony has made for them in China are fully taken apart (every one of them) and inspected, reassembled, and boxed with American-Made attachments and power nozzles. The Chinese are NOT to be trusted blindly. They will put anything in a box to get it "out the door" to fill an order. When the VCCC visited the Tacony factory, they all walked past and were shown the Quality Control area. Tacony doesn't just send a Chinese canister product out into the field before it's disassembled and tested first before being reboxed. That's why no one is having a single problem with any Riccar Prima or Simplicity Wonder canister vacuum.
Yes,wouldn't it be cheaper and BETTER to build the machine in the US or whatever country it is to be sold in?In this case think the Chinese assembly could be eliminated.
kirbysthebest
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Chinese assembly
Was discussed in great depth on this thread.
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?28570
Was discussed in great depth on this thread.
http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?28570
sptyks
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I'm sure Tacony does the teardown and reassembly because it must somehow give them a significant cost savings to do so.
I'm sure it would be very costly to move the whole assembly line machinery and hire the extra employees needed to run it.
I'm sure it would be very costly to move the whole assembly line machinery and hire the extra employees needed to run it.
sebo_fan
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Well, it depends on your view on what describes a 100% American made product.
Screwdriver assembly as it is usually known as sometimes puts buyers noses out of joint. I dont mind it. In my view if a product is stripped down and made better for the market it has arrived in, all the better for it - but don't go falsely advertising an appliance if it has arrived from another country of origin where it is made from molds etc.
Screwdriver assembly as it is usually known as sometimes puts buyers noses out of joint. I dont mind it. In my view if a product is stripped down and made better for the market it has arrived in, all the better for it - but don't go falsely advertising an appliance if it has arrived from another country of origin where it is made from molds etc.
stricklybojack
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I stand corrected, thank you Dysonman1, I hoped you would chime in. Here is the wiki break down of Tacony floorcare brands:
Home Floor Care
Riccar, Simplicity, Tacony Vac Pros, Fuller Brush Company
Commercial Floor Care
CFR, Powr-Flite, Truvox, Tornado.
My Power flight, pictured above looks exactly like my Carpet Pro which isn't listed.
Although being a Tacony labeled vac, this particular Powr model no doubt was made overseas.
I wrongly lumped Cirrus in to the group because I thought they were linked to Carpet Pro, and they might indeed be, but certainly not Tacony, thanks for clearing it up Tom.
Home Floor Care
Riccar, Simplicity, Tacony Vac Pros, Fuller Brush Company
Commercial Floor Care
CFR, Powr-Flite, Truvox, Tornado.
My Power flight, pictured above looks exactly like my Carpet Pro which isn't listed.
Although being a Tacony labeled vac, this particular Powr model no doubt was made overseas.
I wrongly lumped Cirrus in to the group because I thought they were linked to Carpet Pro, and they might indeed be, but certainly not Tacony, thanks for clearing it up Tom.
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