Original Kirby 508-512 Cloth Bag

[rivstg1]

les

thanks for the clarification. Did you have several black old style bags made? I saw about 4 bags laying next to the one you were showing/presenting. I"d be interested in an old style bag perhaps if you want to trade or sell....for a reasonable price. I"ve tried emailing you at the address you have listed in your profile and from last year....but no response.

 

[lesinutah]

Hey

Check email.
Les

 

[KirbyCollector01]

I would just like an original 508 bag. Anyone willing to let one go for cheap?

 

[KirbyCollector01]

Les, there’s no email link on your profile.

 

[lesinutah]

Embroidery

Yes there are about 2 per state. The logo is 17 inches. You have to have 2 loops.
Your right on screen print. I have a 505 bag. I hand cleaned and it washed away. I looked into screen print. The embroidery isn't oem but it doesn't fade. Screen prints fade.
You are correct on everything.
I had to sign legal forms and consulted with 2 patent lawyers and explain to seamstress legal stipulations.
She wouldn't make the bag until all bases were covered.
If you make a bag with Kirby logo it falls under same copyright issues.
The 505 bag is alot wider than the 508 bag. The 508 is curdouroy material. Duvetyne is 4 times the cost and very few companies sell it.
So your bag $100 to make is right. The bottom of the bag goes over the emtor it's not elastic. I can almost guarantee you won't duplicate that. If you buy from Kirby minimum is 200-250 springs. I'm not disclosing how I stumbled across mine. It was sheer luck.
So making the bag you can do. Mike's 510 bags are more than screen printed. The red material on bag topper and silver strip on it. I don't think I could make a better bag. His bags are oem. I went a different direction but his bags are awesome. You have to give him credit. He has bags for all Kirby's. The man can restore a vacuette and model c better than brand new. The man has sunk alot of money to make bags, wheels, manuals etc. I know he's spent over $10000 low end to make these items oem or better.
I may have sold one bag but duplicate the 510 bag then compare yours to his. You can't make better. I showed my seamstress the 510 bag and she said it was amazing.
I agree you can make good bags. It's Orem esque quality but mikes bags are the best.
Les

 

[lesinutah]

Hey

I emailed you I thought it was kelton. Sorry
Les

 

[lesinutah]

Abcplacenta

If you want to email me [email protected] I could explain further and I would love to here your process and compare to mine and be civil. [email protected]
The bag springs are not garter springs. I used exact same spring Kirby does. I took a spring off one of my tattered bags and the springs match.
It's up to you but arguing over vacuum board is wasting energy.
Les

 

[rodknock95]

My Thoughts

I wouldn't think Kirby lawyers would care, nor do I think its even a violation to reproduce a replacement part with the logo. Your making a bag for a Kirby Vacuum. Now if you put it on a debadged Hoover and tried to sell it as your own then there would be a problem. I see people make and sell stuff that has trademarked logos all the time. How many times has someone used a Chevrolet logo on something and mass produced it? Tons! 350 in my opnion is way too much for something that is not original. Your right, embroidered is not the way it was done back in the day. However if I had a showpiece with sentimental value, I would consider it....but to be correct on making one as original as possible, it would have to be screenprinted. I would be cringe everytime I turned it on with a 350 dollar bag on it, LOL

Blaze

 

[abcvacplacentia]

Blaze: actually, it is a violation . . .

• Yes, it is a violation and Kirbys lawyers care. That's why they sent me an official response.
• Putting a "kirby-branded" bag on a Hoover is totally unrelated. It doesn't matter what machine you put it on. What matters is that you reproduced another company's logo and then tried to pass off a replacement part as OEM when it's not.
• I contacted their legal dept. because I didn't want to screen print a bunch of bags, post the pics online, then have Kirby tell me to stop. I've worked in advertising, I respect trademarks and brands, so that's why I contacted them first.
• I know a couple of Kirby dealers who are interested in selling these bags. However, they'll lose their dealerships if they sell improperly branded Kirby replacement parts.
• You're right that there are all sorts of illegally sanctioned items, like Chevy doormats or T-Shirts, that use someone else's brand without permission. Lots of stuff flies under the radar. However, if you started making Chevy auto parts and put the Chevy logo on them, you'll definitely hear from GM's lawyers.
• Some companies are very aggressive about this. Monster Cable, the speaker wire company, is notorious for harassing anyone who uses the word "Monster." They once sued a mom and pop dry cleaning company called "Monster Dry Cleaning." Imagine what they would do to someone making replacement wires with the Monster logo?

The reason why vacuum cleaner companies put their logo on their bags is because it's the best way to protect their revenue for OEM replacement parts. They can't patent the actual bag, so they put their logo all over it. Copy that design with their logo and they can shut you down for a trademark violation, not a patent violation.


Maybe Tom Gasko can shed more light on this subject. I am sure he knows far more than I do about the history of brands going after bojack suppliers that put OEM logos on their parts.

 

[abcvacplacentia]

Hey Les, post your materials!

There is no reason to have a private conversation about this.

I thought the whole point of this forum was to get help from other enthusiasts, not hide information under the guise that it's somehow proprietary? I am more than happy to post all of the materials in my bag design, including the cost of every part and the supplier.

So, the ball is in your court, Les. What spring did you use? Where did you buy it? What did it cost? What other bag-related materials and secrets have you discovered? Post it on here and I'll post my entire design, including the corduroy, bag spring, trim and zipper. It's really no big deal. But I don't like this idea of hiding info. That's bad vacuum cleaner Karma. I'm not doing any of this for the money because there is no money to be made in this. My only goal is to not LOSE money. My time is money, so anything (or anyone) who can help make this bag project easier is appreciated. Anyone who plays "hide the info," is not.

 

[lesinutah]

Funny

I think it's funny you computer geniuses seem to want answers from me I've made a bag I've sold one bag you guys haven't.you guys seem to vodka idea of me selling a bag but you are in the same violation of the same law that you say is a law or breaking of the rules.
I know the ramifications of what can and can't happen if you guys want to know maybe you should consult a lawyer and he would enlighten you on the subject as I have been in enlightened.
as for the material the duvatine I bought off at Amazon from a place in New York that sells fabric wholesale the Kirby springs I will not disclose to you I figured it out on my own there are two people in the world that maybe not world but did I know of the are aware of how to make or acquire the spring.The fact that you want to know is quite funny if you want to know I'm going to let you figure it out for yourself because I didn't spend 7 months about $500 and a lot of my time and effort consulting people talking to people doing research and everything else for you to get the knowledge for me so you can profit and make your own bags.
And the funny thing is all the nacers are the people with all these opinions they're the same people that do not have a 505 none of you have a 5:05 and if you had a 5:05 you would understand the reasoning behind the bag.
When you get a 5:05 let me know but until you get the most prize Kirby and collectible Kirby and existence you will never know.so you can buy your legend by your class action by your heritage and by your 5:15 you can buy your 5 tangent by your 508 but until you own an actual one owner Kirby all original or the bag fades you do not know so you can go ahead and say you'd rather have a reproduction screen print. I have an original screen print why would I want a reproduction screen print you cannot use and the screen print will wash away.
And there is a thing called proof of concept so I have a proof of concept on the Kirby hepa bag conversion if you don't know a proof of concept is maybe you should look that up to while you're trying to figure out other things that you're not aware of.
The fact that you're asking me to give you my secret you're funny That's not going to happen I spent a lot of time in a lot effort and I'm not about to tell you guys so you can profit off of it.
I will not comment further on this thread I will not s*** anymore knowledge or comments you can say what you will but to bottom line is I have made a bag and I did my research now the balls in your court to make a bag and do some research I'm out.
Les

 

[lesinutah]

Funny

Hear the comments begin.

I have made a reproduction bag. I have sold a reproduction bag. You have not made or sold a bag and you want me to give you advice that I know.
I, got the material off of Amazon from a wholesaler in New York. I figured out the springs on my own. The fact that you want to know where I got the springs is funny. I will tell you if you buy 250 Kirby will sell you the springs. I will not tell you where I got the springs.

It's funny, all the people in the thread the Mach or have a strong opinion are the same people that do not have a 505 all original vacuum. The 505 is the most collectible and sod after Kirby the is made.

So if you want to know the laws and the rules consult a lawyer. I have talked to lawyers patent lawyers. I'm well aware of the legal ramifications. If you advise an attorney he could enlighten you in the same subject.

So my opinion is my opinion what I know is what I know. if you think I'm going to give you any knowledge or expertise on how to make or produce the bag you're wrong. I spent 7 months over $500 finding everything out for myself. I was I just was trying to help you understand that making a bag is a little more time intensive than you believe.
I am not posting anymore in this thread or commenting I've said what I need to say. I wish you luck.

LES