Original Kirby 508-512 Cloth Bag

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KirbyCollector01

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Hello! I am looking for an original 508-512 style cloth bag for my 508, like the one in the picture (not my photo). If anyone has one they’re willing to part with ((even if it’s in rough shape) not too rough though) please let me know. I’d really appreciate it. Thank you!
-Thomas

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Hey Thomas . . .

Are you looking for an original shakeout-style bag because you actually use the machine that way? Or, is this primarily for your collection and doesn't really get much use?

I ask because I'm thinking about making some reproduction bags, but for use with a hepa bag system and the metal emtor.
 
If an original bag is in good shape, I’ll use it once in a while. But if it’s in rough shape, It’ll be just for looking at, and I’d use a different bag when using the machine.
 
I wouldn't pay over $100 . . . .

Based on my cost of building a prototype corduroy bag, anything over $100 for a reproduction bag seems expensive, even if it's made in the U.S. in small quantities. The actual cost of all the bag materials is around $10 to $15, depending on features. The rest is American labor and some profit to make the project worth the effort and amortize any art and screen printing charges.
 
Lol

Have you made a repro bag. You don't get it right the first time. There very cost intensive. Sewing material quality. I made a repro bag it's better than repro I made what I put into it. If anyone wants quality it's expensive. I can almost guarantee over a $100 into the bags. It may be close but he's not getting rich. So unless you make a high quality good bag hold judgement. If you make a premium bag people will pay. I can attest they will.
Les
 
Lol? Are you sure about that?

• No, I have not made a repro bag. I paid a professional seamstress to make a prototype sample and patterns for me instead. It was not expensive. Later, her company can make 2, or 200 for me.
• Yes, she made a perfect one the very first time. That's what professionals do and this is definitely not rocket science. She'll make the hanger 4" longer on the next one, but that's it.
• No, they are not "very cost intensive." I have no idea what you are talking about. It's just $6 worth of corduroy and a garter spring. Mine is more expensive because it has a zipper, internal hanger strap, 3-seam construction, and requires extra work to sew the top shut.
• No, quality is not expensive. It's just a bag. Garment sewing requires greater skill.
• No, I don't need to "hold judgement." I've already made and tested one, that means I know what I'm talking about.
 
Okay

I have sold the most expensive bag in eBay history. $350 .
I too hired a seamstress. She has a $10000 embroidery machine. There's about 2 of these machines per state. She did entire bag for me. I will say the bottom of the bag goes around the emtor I know what is used and it's the same as Kirby. I bought duvetyne exact material. It cost $120 plus for material. Top of bag takes certain material.
You may know some but I guarantee the bag I produced is best quality bacg anyone has sold. It's my opinion but nobody else has sold a bag for $350.
Look at my bag you will not see better. Embroidery doesn't wash away.
It took me and seamstress 7 months to get it right.
U don't mean to be cocky but no buts just look at the pic.

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I bZg. Next I'd Mike's bag.
If you find something better.
The. 595 is a rare and super popular vacuum.
You may know what your doing but I believe I may know more about bags. My demdtress knows more not me.
No hard feelings but Mike's $250 mine $350.
Tell me what you think. If you got pics of love to see.
Les
 
Nice trademark violation

I can't believe I'm responding to this, but here we go:

• I don't care that you sold the most expensive bag in Ebay history. $350 is beyond overpriced.
• Embroidering the logo is nice, but it's not technically accurate, if you care about such things (which I don't necessarily do). All of the Kirby bags were screen printed, not embroidered.
• No, there are not just 2 embroidery machines per state. I have no idea what you are talking about. I've looked into embroidery. There are over a dozen computer-driven embroidery machines at screen printing shops near me. You pay by the stitch, so a $6 screen print could easily be $10 to over $50 per bag. Embroidery looks very nice and it will almost certainly last longer than a screen print, but it's not an efficient way to recreate graphics. That's why Kirby never made it that way.
• Duvetyne is just one material Kirby used. They also used lots of corduroy, including the original 513 bag I used for the pattern.
• Duvetyne is cheap. You can find 8.4 oz./yd. black duvetyne for as little as $3/yard. One yard can make 2 bags, so your material cost is even lower than mine.
• There are all sorts of Duvetyne available. Did you perform particle tests on various fabric and baseline that against the original Kirby duvetyne (presumably in mint condition)? I doubt it.
• Bill at VacLab has performed particle tests on my bag and it works great: 3x better filtration than an original D50 replacement bag. For 0.3 microns, he found 10k particles vs. 30k.
• The top of the 513 bag does not take "certain material." It uses standard corduroy. On my original 513 bag, it's the exact same corduroy I'm using, right down to the number of wales/inch.
• I find it humorous that you don't want to admit you are using a garter spring. This isn't some sort of proprietary feature. It's just a spring - no big deal if you can figure out where to get more.
• I don't like this idea of hiding info on this forum. It's very tempting to publish my exact materials and where you can buy them, although it will be a lot easier for everyone to just buy a finished bag.

HERE'S YOUR BIGGEST PROBLEM:

• You are violating Kirby's trademark by reproducing it on an item that you sold for a profit! You even posted pics online and admitted your selling price. Not a good idea. You have NOT been granted permission by Kirby. How do I know this? Because I inquired at Kirby and their lawyer called me back to discuss this at length. They even sent me an official email stating their policy. I have been referred to their Engineering Dept. for the possibility that Kirby use my design (and supply chain) to make more bags. However, I'm expecting they won't be interested. Hopefully, I'm wrong about that.

• Their lawyer made it very clear to me that they will only grant permission if they decide to make it an official Kirby product. I can make this bag in a variety of colors to cover every machine from the Tradition back to the first Model C. However, I doubt Kirby will care about this since they only make black shakeout bags now.

• Since Kirby is likely to tell me no, I am considering the idea of asking my art director buddy who was my creative partner at the advertising agency we worked at in SF to design something new for these bags so they aren't just plain corduroy. However, that's probably a subject for another thread.
 
Layoff

Cease and desist. Bottom line Kirby would only tell me to stop. I sold one bag.
I'll consider my energy on this done. I've talked to 2 patent lawyers. I'm versed in what I need to know.
That's it
Les
 
Rvstg1

I got off a 14 hour shift before I slept and no contacts.
It meant to say pic 1 his bag pic 2 my bag. 505 is the model I meant to type
Les
 
Cease and Desist? What?

• This is about trademark, so you need to talk to a TRADEMARK lawyer, not a patent lawyer, although, occasionally you'll find one who does both.
• It doesn't matter what some trademark lawyer tells you. What matters is Kirby's tolerance for trademark violations by amateurs and whether they feel like taking you for an expensive little back-and-forth with their legal department. Maybe they won't care. Maybe they will.
• If you're just making one bag for yourself, I don't see why anyone would care. If you're selling them to other people and posting it online, that's different. That's why I contacted Kirby BEFORE wasting any time or money fooling around with their logo.
• You haven't heard from Kirby probably because they don't spend much time online looking for violators. Kirby's lawyer told me she was unfamiliar with this website. Now she is.
• Maybe you should "hold your judgement" next time you want to school people on simple devices like vacuum cleaner bags.
 

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