suckolux
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No, household circuits are 15
No more corded vacuums to be developed by Dyson
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vacfan1982
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Oh right so that's about 1800w.
I wish they kept the restriction to 1600w here but they had to go one stage further to 900w
I wish they kept the restriction to 1600w here but they had to go one stage further to 900w
kirbylux77
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Mikko, you said your Philips Performer Pro has 144" Waterlift & 108 CFM? Yikes, that is a monster of a vacuum! No wonder why the EU guidelines were put into effect over in Europe.
To put that in perspective, your Philips is basically 50% more powerful than a central vac when measured at the hose! Most central vacs, when you put a waterlift gauge on them at the HOSE, not the canister itself, are lucky to have about 100" waterlift....they need all that power they have because the piping & long hose robs it of so much power.
Rob
Mikko, you said your Philips Performer Pro has 144" Waterlift & 108 CFM? Yikes, that is a monster of a vacuum! No wonder why the EU guidelines were put into effect over in Europe.
To put that in perspective, your Philips is basically 50% more powerful than a central vac when measured at the hose! Most central vacs, when you put a waterlift gauge on them at the HOSE, not the canister itself, are lucky to have about 100" waterlift....they need all that power they have because the piping & long hose robs it of so much power.
Rob
vacfan1982
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What if you have very little piping? I have my central vac in a cupboard in my house and only 3 ft of piping to the valve and a 30 ft hose so it feels very powerful to me. It has 866 airwatts. I know airwatts are misleading.
I know some members just have the power unit in their room and plug the hose directly into it.
I know some members just have the power unit in their room and plug the hose directly into it.
vacfan1982
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I need to get metres to measure the water lift and cfm at the end of my central vac hose 
I would be very surprised it was less than 100 cfm.
I would be very surprised it was less than 100 cfm.
vacfan1982
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208 cfm at the power unit. If anyone can tell me what that wud be at the end of a 30ft hose I would be very grateful 
suckolux
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I think that could vary a lot, depending on the smoothness of the inside and how straight it's laying out
vacfan1982
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Yes kinks in the hose would affect it.
I will have to get a Baird meter and measure it
It does feel to me to have more power than my 2200w Miele C3 and that has some power! But you do need meters to measure accurately.
I will have to get a Baird meter and measure it
It does feel to me to have more power than my 2200w Miele C3 and that has some power! But you do need meters to measure accurately.
kirbylux77
This video shows how accurate the baird airflow meter is and also Philips claims about the suction/airflow
I measured 9/10 baird from the Philips what means 108 cfm
Maybe these over 2000 watt vacuums went a bit too far...
Airflow (at 14:00)
This video shows how accurate the baird airflow meter is and also Philips claims about the suction/airflow
I measured 9/10 baird from the Philips what means 108 cfm
Maybe these over 2000 watt vacuums went a bit too far...
Airflow (at 14:00)
numatic vacuums and voltages
Even in the United States, where we don't have the wattage restriction on vacuums, Numatic has started using the 620 watt motor here, it's awesome, very quiet and performs as well if not better than the 1200 watt machines. Most household circuits are 15 amps but you rarely see any appliance drawing more than 12 amps, there are 120 volt circuits available that allow for more current but they must be installed separately.
I wish we did use 240 volts here, it's actually more efficient because it draws less current. Some appliances here do use the higher voltage, in particular electric stoves and electric clothes dryers. I have heard that if you have a 240 volt outlet for one of those appliances, it is possible to adapt it to work with European appliances, I'm not sure if you just need an adapter to convert the plug or if something else would be needed, in Europe it's straight 240 volt circuits, here in the United States, I think a 240 volt outlet is installed by combining two 120 volt circuits together so I'm not sure if the phase is different. Also I'm not sure if the 240 volt outlets for stoves and dryers are different from those used by some of the larger window air conditioners.
Mike
Even in the United States, where we don't have the wattage restriction on vacuums, Numatic has started using the 620 watt motor here, it's awesome, very quiet and performs as well if not better than the 1200 watt machines. Most household circuits are 15 amps but you rarely see any appliance drawing more than 12 amps, there are 120 volt circuits available that allow for more current but they must be installed separately.
I wish we did use 240 volts here, it's actually more efficient because it draws less current. Some appliances here do use the higher voltage, in particular electric stoves and electric clothes dryers. I have heard that if you have a 240 volt outlet for one of those appliances, it is possible to adapt it to work with European appliances, I'm not sure if you just need an adapter to convert the plug or if something else would be needed, in Europe it's straight 240 volt circuits, here in the United States, I think a 240 volt outlet is installed by combining two 120 volt circuits together so I'm not sure if the phase is different. Also I'm not sure if the 240 volt outlets for stoves and dryers are different from those used by some of the larger window air conditioners.
Mike
New Dysons.
I know for myself I have no desire to have a Dyson and never will. I myself prefer Door to Door and older models from the 70's 80's and 90's. But my question is will Dyson keep the corded models they have now for those who want a corded model. I also wonder what the life span for a cordless model will be? A friend of mine was in the vacuum shop up in Saint Joe and she took her Aerus in to be serviced. They were talking about Dyson and the service person said they LOVE Dyson because they break so easily and they make a lot of money off of repairs.
I'll keep my Rainbow and my Aerus Electrolux. But some day I will have my blue Kenmore that I have been looking for from the late 70's.
I know for myself I have no desire to have a Dyson and never will. I myself prefer Door to Door and older models from the 70's 80's and 90's. But my question is will Dyson keep the corded models they have now for those who want a corded model. I also wonder what the life span for a cordless model will be? A friend of mine was in the vacuum shop up in Saint Joe and she took her Aerus in to be serviced. They were talking about Dyson and the service person said they LOVE Dyson because they break so easily and they make a lot of money off of repairs.
I'll keep my Rainbow and my Aerus Electrolux. But some day I will have my blue Kenmore that I have been looking for from the late 70's.
