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I actually received my Cinetic directly from Dyson as a gift for my loyalty. I owned at one point, 20 Dyson vacuums and three Fans and the Hot & Cool with Jet Focus. Dyson have been very kind to me and I’ve been given three free vacuums so far, a V6 Absolute, the Cinetic “Big Ball Multi Floor Exclusive” and a DC65 Animal. Dyson always gives me free expedited shipping and a discount on my purchases.

So anyway, it arrived at my house not long after they hit the market and I wasn’t even expecting it. So I was flabbergasted to say the least. I’ve kept the box and don’t run it much as I’m saving it for good. I’m not sure who sold them in this matte finish silver either?. I never saw one in the stores before mine showed up. I do know there is also a dark reddish burgundy color as well as the typical Blue and Purple Cinetic versions.

Mine came with every tool too, a separate box arrived and it had every single tool beyond what was packaged with my Cinetic. In a way I kinda wish they hadn’t sent me the Cinetic as I’d have loved to get the New V10.. I emailed my customer service friend to ask her if there’s a chance I can get one, but I’m Not holding my breath Lol. I’ve only bought two this year, my Ball Animal 2 (Purple) and Small Ball Multi Floor in Gold with the top tier of cyclones being the graphite grey. So I’ve slowed way down and they probably want me to buy more first.

Have fun with your new Cinetic and please post pics.. I can’t wait to see if you love it! Have fun and thanks for the questions.
 
The new V10 looks very nice, and I've been a Dyson cordless fanatic since the DC16, which I bought 10 years ago. So far I've owned the DC16, the DC35 (their first stick vacuum, which I saw as revolutionary), the DC59 Animal, the V6 Absolute, and my current V8 Absolute. As I've upgraded, I've sold my previous-gen models to friends, who have all been happy with them.

Going all-cordless, although very bold, has me worried. My main concern is planned obsolescence. For instance, although my friends were happy with the DC16, it eventually simply disappeared from their house, once the battery no-longer held a charge. I'm sure my old DC35 is overdue for a new battery as well. Once the batteries wear out, like with phones and laptops, you're at the mercy of the manufacturer (or third party) to hopefully continue to produce the parts to keep it going.

My other concern is that some of Dyson's current uprights are awesome, and clean much better on carpeting than any of their cordless vacuums. Although my V8 is a fantastic and versatile machine, it doesn't deep-clean carpeting nearly as well as most of Dyson's current uprights, or most good corded vacuums in general. I can already tell their bold cleaning claims will get a smackdown in comparison tests, against most "conventional" vacuums.

I like cordless, but I like the reliability and longevity of a corded machine as well. It'll be a huge bummer if Dyson phases out corded machines completely.
 
The V10 has 140 air watts in max mode which compares very well with corded uprights..in max mode it will last 10 mins. In standard mode around 30 mins. But as I said this will get better and better over the coming years.

You have to admire Dyson technology 😁
 
I have the simplicity Freedom cordless and the same thing under Aerus-Lux.These are the ONLY cordless machines I like.I have the Greenworks 60V mower and the Kobalt 80V one.Both work well.I would think if it could be done with mowers-why not vacuums?And also have the Kobalt 80V leafblower and weedeater trimmer.
 
Dyson need to be careful when answering rubtimes to people asking as one reply to someone on their Facebook Page was this.......

“Keeping in in mind that the MAX suction setting is designed for use with tough cleaning jobs, Dyson V10 will provide up to 6 minutes when used in the MAX suction setting. Please also note, however, that this mode would essentially not be needed very often, thanks to the suction slider at the cleaner head. This allows you to adjust the suction power at the cleaner head for various cleaning around your home.

Dyson V10 will provide up to 20 minutes in suction setting 2 and up to 30 minutes in suction setting 1, when used with a motorized floor tool. Otherwise, you can expect up to 60 minutes of run time when used with any other non-motorized attachments.”
 
Maybe I’m off target here, but has Dyson figured out a way to process their old batteries without harming the environment? The whole trend toward cordless appliances is producing tons of toxic batteries that eventually must be properly recycled. This can’t be good for the waste management departments of our cities. I would love to see how Dyson proposes to deal with all those batteries that eventually must be thrown away.

It reminds me of the dreamy promises made by the computer industry about futuristic “paperless offices”. With cheap ink tank printers available to buy, I think we are definitely dumping more paper into the waste bin then ever before. And what are all those ink tanks and laser printer cartridges doing to our land fill dumpsites? Even the warehouses of computer equipment needed for our use of the internet and digital communucations needs lots of electricity to keep them cooled and air conditioned. Maybe this need to cool all those servers and computer rooms is a major contributor to “global warming”?

If the young generation is so concerned about environmental issues, they may need to reduce their hunger for appliances and machines that help them speed things up as they try to get things done faster in the rat races of the world. Life in the “fast lane” does have its downsides.

It would be great if James Dyson could show me how he proposes to process all those complicated batteries from his cordless machines when they need to be thrown away.
 
Indeed, but those paper and cloth bags are filled mostly with dust and are probably not as toxic as the batteries going into the landfills. They also probably get compressed into a half of their size in the landfills. The dirt dumped from a bagless vacuum still has to go into a garbage bag which is usually plastic. So you still have a bag of dirt going into a landfill...plus all those extra foam filters needed in bagless vacuums.
 
And actually you can recycle batteries.

As for foam filters they are washable and bagged cleaners have disposable filters.

The V10 has done away with a pre motor filter I think. It only has the washable Hepa filter now.
 
It would be interesting to do a study of the environmental impact of a top performing corded, bagged stick vac, versus a cordless, bagless stick vac. For example what’s the environmental impact of one year of use and final disposal of a Dyson V8 versus a Miele bagged stick vac (fitted with the basic power nozzle). Both are highly rated machines with good filtration.

I know batteries are recyclable, but this recycling of batteries is often not done by the consumer, and when it is done, it requires yet another government expenditure of energy and resources. Does Dyson offer an easy way of accepting used batteries from their consumers, like printer companies do for their toner cartridges?

Also, I wonder what the extra use of electricity costs society by having these cordless vacs always plugged in and charging?
 
The filter on the V10 is a pre and post filter in one from what I’ve read and video of Jake Dyson launching it in one Country! Not sure what type of filter it is, the UK website says whole filteration system (sealed system). But why have a post motor filter if the motor is brushless and the cyclones and pre filter do all the filtering?

I’ve always wondered what electricity these cordless machines use, they do say once the battery is fully charged it doesn’t consume anymore electricity even if left on charge!!!

I was wondering about what happens with the battery once it’s end of life? What about the full environmental impact on manufacturing the batteries, the motor and machine so the whole lifecycle of the product! People are becoming more interested as well in how companies manufacture their products too! What impact does that have on the environment too.
 
I use my V8? everyday, I just think of the power I save with this OCD clean all the time fool living alone, keeping busy. The charger is a smart charger I remember reading.I am done in minutes, with the corded well a lot longer running many amps. Weekly deep clean still happens.Kirby, Lux or Royal. I am sure it saves me lots of power though.
 
Run Times

I think the new V10 looks good. I have a V8 Absolute and its fine. Though I wish that Dyson would not mislead customers with the '60 minutes' claim.

The 60 minutes does not apply to when the machine is used as a vacuum cleaner on carpets with the motorhead attached.

Its 6 minutes on MAX. 20 Minutes on setting 2 with the large motorised head on and 30 minutes on setting 1 with the large motorised head on. So that equates to an extra 5 minutes if I bought a V10 and used it in the same way as I use my V8 Absolute. I get 25 minutes run time and not 40 minutes as Dyson claim. The V10 would give me 30 minutes and not 60 minutes! - I feel this is very misleading.

The cordless Dyson would not match a full size vacuum cleaner when I do decorating or when moving stuff around when doing a deep down clean with powerful suction. 6 Minutes on Max would not be suitable for me and I would not want it.

I like having the plug in and being able to use it every so often.

Who knows eh, Dyson are confident about their decision to stop developing plug in machines. Its the way that people are going. I'm an advocate for my cordless machine, but I do love a bagged SEBO Felix vacuum cleaner too and also my old DC24.
 
Mad Sebo you are correct there is a pre motor filter that surrounds the motor and its also attached to the Hepa filter.

Black AEG with Dyson now putting all their money into bagless it won't be too long till their cordless vac clean as well as a corded vac and the battery will last a lot longer

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Very good video by Steve ( Madabouthoovers)

The battery technology has not improved as much as I thought. 151 Airwatts on Max power is very impressive for a Cordless but only 5 Mins run time!
 
I think makers of traditional corded bagged vacuums - Tacony, Kirby, Aerus, Electrolux, Miele and Sebo - should do some research into how their kind of classic vacuums are actually better for the environment than all these newfangled bagless cordless vacs. Sweden’s Electrolux has even promoted their “green” vacuums which are made of recycled plastic. They could market their products as more environmentally-friendly! No batteries to recycle, no chargers constantly plugged in, no filter washing needed, less noise pollution and better filtered air quality in the house too. Would be interesting to see the results of a scientific comparison! 🙂
 
Dyson may be onto something.....

You know what.....I have some of the best corded vacs like an Kirby Avalir, Miele C3, Sebo Felix, but the vacs that get used the most are my Dysons..... V6, V7 and V8. It's purely about convenience to be able to just pick it up and slap whatever tool on it and clean up something in less than a minute. I have a feeling this is where most people are headed as far as vacuums. Sure they will probably still have one powerful corded around but I would say the vacs that will begin to get the most use will be the cordless ones.

I am sure Dyson will still sell big corded vacs but will just not put as much into R&D for them. I guess corded vacs have become about as good as they will become, so minimal R&D needed there, but cordless on the other hand will continue to get better suction as the batteries get better.
 
The only new cordless vacuum product I’d be interested in would be an effective cordless powered carpet nozzle that can attach to any corded canister vac. If the battery technology has advanced to the point where I could get 2 hours of run time on a cordfree power nozzle for a canister vac, that would be a great achievement. Same thing with a mini power nozzle for furniture and mattresses. Miele’s AccuNova nozzle had the best of intentions, but they should have worked on improving it and solving the run-time problems it had.
 
Brian, you say you want a cordless power nozzle? Um, hello, have you not seen the Volt powerhead that Tacony has come out with? You got your wish :P

As for the environmental effects of bagged cleaners, I think the one thing everyone forgets here is most new bagged cleaners use HEPA Cloth bags. And those bags are made of polypropylene, which is PLASTIC, no matter how you say it! I personally think cordless cleaners would cause more environmental harm due to the batteries, but either way both types of cleaners will have some negative impact on the environment.

Now, what do I think of Dyson eliminating corded vacuums? I am not liking it at all! If they REALLY thought cordless stick vacuums is the future, they should have waited a bit longer to improve the battery technology even more. I really don't like Dyson's powerhead. I much prefer the powerhead Shark uses on their stick vacuums, just like a regular canister vacuum powerhead but made smaller for a stick vacuum, much better at deep cleaning than Dyson's powerhead. And the one thing missing in their thinking that they will NEVER be able to accomplish with their cordless stick vacuums is bin capacity. There's no way to put a huge bin like their uprights have on a cordless stick vacuum. And that's a problem, because families need that capacity to clean large, messy homes, which is why many people consider cordless stick vacuums as supplementary cleaners, NOT a replacement for a full size canister or upright vacuum. If Dyson had developed a cordless upright or canister, like LG, Riccar/Simplicity or Hoover has, that would have been better.

Plus, I think whether Dyson wants to admit it or not, I think their abandoning corded vacuums is their way of acknowledging there is no way of developing corded vacuum technology further, & their designs are maxed out & cannot be improved further. The ONLY good thing that could come from this is their competitors will steal & copy their Root Cyclone technology & improve their own vacuums.

Rob
 
Knowing them... not surprising.

I just hope all the other brands don't jump on the bandwagon and do the same thing.

Also, It looks like repairs is going to be a bigger pain and dirt capacity is gonna suck.
 
I think the Volt has too big a wand. I would want one without a wand that could attach to my Miele telescopic wand with the simple click of the Miele latch. I also would want a removeable battery that recharges on its own charger (like the Hoover Lynx) so I can store the nozzle in a closet that has no electric plug.
 
Me personally.. I hate anything cordless just as much as I do bagless..
In my experience, cordless vacuums are weak, lousy at cleaning, a waste of money and have a short life expectancy unless your willing to keep paying for expensive batteries. Um no thanks! My corded vacs will keep chugging along at max power and never skip a beat. Besides, I never met a cord on a vacuum I never got along with..
 
I don't think every manufacturer is going to jump behind this. You have to think Dyson is a premium brand. Not everyone is going to be able to go out and buy one of these. It will be YEARS before this kind of technology is affordable for everyone. I still see a lot of people buying traditional corded vacuums as well mostly due to two facts: cost and performance. Yes these are great for quick cleaning or for very small homes, but they still at this moment cannot beat a traditional corded machine.
 
corded vacuums are not going away

If Dyson wants to spend all of their resources on cordless vacs, that is their choice, but the corded vacuum will not be going away any time soon. At this time, no cordless vacuum is as powerful as the corded machines, it's just not there yet, while it might be possible to create a machine that is just as powerful, because of limitations in battery technology the run time would be so short that it would not be practical. I doubt there is any cordless vac that could be used for a full clean of a house or apartment, for quick cleans perhaps but for a full deep clean the cordless machines are limited by power and run time.
I do think the Volt is an awesome power nozzle, I love mine.
Mike
 
We will have to wait and see. Dyson have increased the performance by 40% since the V6 and with all their investment now going into cordless changing times are coming.
Did you know that the latest motor spins at 125,000 rpm? That's quite a feat in engineering 😀👍
But the dinosaurs on here will never give Dyson credit no matter what they do 😁
 

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