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It’s a neat idea I just don’t see the point
( no pun intended )
New Innovative Dyson FluffyCones PencilVac
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It’s a neat idea I just don’t see the point
( no pun intended )
Vacuum Facts
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Some products are aimed at certain geographical locations. This class of product is more popular in Japan, where it launched presumably deliberately, where homes are smaller and with more hard floor. Small, light products are attractive there.
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It's also very interesting the more I read about this. It does feel as though Dyson might feel cheated out of the circumvention of their patent for conical rollers for hair detangling by Panasonic in Japan, although I've no confirmation. Dyson have a patent for a hard floor washer idea which seems to be following in the footsteps of their Dyson Hard machine which vacuums and washes at once. In it, the non-mop brush rollers are conical, as with their recent products, and they register every possible configuration permutation, including the one like Panasonic seem to have 'invented' (seemingly copied) with narrow tips pointing inwards to the centre, including many other permutations that people could 'clone'. (That inwards configuration like Panasonic's 'idea' isn't a violation of their japanese patent since this is a different product class and advances on it.) It really does feel as though Dyson might be stung by the seemingly cheeky smuggling of their technology by rivals—that ironically is then spun by bad actors with bad faith as propaganda that Dyson stole Panasonic's idea. Dyson often now register all possible dupe permutation designs in their patents to stop this kind of effective technology 'theft'.
Oof I forgot about the Dyson Hard. I feel like that was the quickest Dyson ever discontinued a product line, barely a year and poof. Even the videos at the time advertising it, it didn't look too great. Probably one of the most unknown Dysons as well, as I imagine they wouldn't have discontinued it if it was selling well. I'm glad the submarine head exists now though, as it's quite good imo.
You can actually find the old "Dyson Hard" attachment on eBay. I was tempted to jerryrig it onto my V15 and use a Swiffer Pad. Was concerned the increased suction compared to the 10 year old machine it originally came with would just suck water into the unit though.
You can actually find the old "Dyson Hard" attachment on eBay. I was tempted to jerryrig it onto my V15 and use a Swiffer Pad. Was concerned the increased suction compared to the 10 year old machine it originally came with would just suck water into the unit though.
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Vacuum Facts
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I've looked into that submarine. While I'm not convinced it's better than a good mop and bucket technology used correctly, all the criticism I've seen of it seems to come from clueless people who don't seem to be judging it by what it is and instead judge it by what it isn't supposed to be and just don't understand it.
Dyson's new non-cyclonic separator patents also prevent duping by conceiving every main alternative conceptual permutation of the fundamental core idea, equivalent to the now commonly seen wide range of traditional cyclonic first stage bin separator dupes literally every single manufacturer has copied off Dyson—like the Dreame Z30 or the Sebo A1 Balance cordless stick vacs to name just two. So, hopefully we'll see fewer, if any, dupes that don't work well and sully the original idea going forward. With the exception of Panasonic's seeming questionable circumvention, it's worked so far for conical anti-hair wrap brush bars over the last several years since the V15.
Dyson's new non-cyclonic separator patents also prevent duping by conceiving every main alternative conceptual permutation of the fundamental core idea, equivalent to the now commonly seen wide range of traditional cyclonic first stage bin separator dupes literally every single manufacturer has copied off Dyson—like the Dreame Z30 or the Sebo A1 Balance cordless stick vacs to name just two. So, hopefully we'll see fewer, if any, dupes that don't work well and sully the original idea going forward. With the exception of Panasonic's seeming questionable circumvention, it's worked so far for conical anti-hair wrap brush bars over the last several years since the V15.
cheesewonton
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I have been lurking on this discussion but have to add that I am pretty certain Panasonic first developed the idea of a conical brush roll to shed hair. I have had an example of one such Panasonic brush roll for probably five years in a small power nozzle. It was offered with one of their canister models which is where my power nozzle came from and then used on a few of their bagless stick vacs. Panasonic's implementation differs from Dyson. Their brush rolls are mounted to the outer edges of the power nozzle and the two brush rolls narrow towards the center. There is a small gap between the brush rolls right in front of the suction inlet so threads and hair move towards the center, fall off the ends and get slurped up into the inlet.
cheesewonton
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Here is an image of how Panasonic does it.
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https://d2cdo4blch85n8.cloudfront.n...ee-Cyclone-Cordless-Stick-Vacuum-1024x576.jpg
Vacuum Facts
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kirbylux77
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Cheeky circumvention eh Vacuum Facts? Seems like Dyson's take on this is the cheeky one, and doesn't make sense! The Panasonic design looks like it would "eject" the hair right into the middle into the suction path. I bet it would do a much more efficient job of eliminating hair wrap than the Dyson. Also, the Dyson design totally eliminates using on anything than hard floors, whereas the Panasonic head looks like it would handle low pile carpeting and area rugs equally well as hard floors.
With how small and narrow the bin looks, and Dyson's recent reputation for producing disposable vacuums with high repair/discard rates, you couldn't even pay me to try this!
With how small and narrow the bin looks, and Dyson's recent reputation for producing disposable vacuums with high repair/discard rates, you couldn't even pay me to try this!
Vacuum Facts
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The patents refer to the concept of anti hair tangling using conical brush bars, irrespective of the specific configuration or application. The evidence shows this concept was invented and patented by Dyson as far back as 2018. Over a year after the patent was made public, Panasonic then patented the same approach but used in a cleaner head. But they only patented it in Japan, rather than globally, since no Dyson patent had been registered at that time there and so it wouldn't be rejected. They have not since patented it more widely—and it's obvious why, since it would likely be rejected now due to infringement. It looks very much like a sneaky undercut. Kudos to them for succeeding. Regardless, evidence is quite clear; Dyson were the first to invent this fundamental concept, regardless of the specific configuration of implementation. It's now heavily patented and so other dupes are highly unlikely to appear until about 2038.
The Pencilvac is a floor sweeper primarily aimed at smaller Japanese homes with hard floor. The Dyson Piston currently only released in Korea uses conical brush bars in a cleaner head suited for all floor types, completely solves hair wrapping, and doesn't suffer from the issues apparent in the Panasonic model.
The Pencilvac is a floor sweeper primarily aimed at smaller Japanese homes with hard floor. The Dyson Piston currently only released in Korea uses conical brush bars in a cleaner head suited for all floor types, completely solves hair wrapping, and doesn't suffer from the issues apparent in the Panasonic model.
