New Innovative Dyson FluffyCones PencilVac

[Vacuum Facts]

I mean, it's clear I'm unlikely going to change your feelings on this persistent misinterpretation and sticking issue for you that's leading to an irrational unfriendliness, but hopefully you understand the rationale for the reduction in motor size at least.

 

[huskyvacs]

VacuumFacts was banned on the old site. IDK how he got unbanned. He is a nuisance, and highly annoying and aggressive when you threaten his narrow-minded world view. He has had his reddit accounts banned 8 times. Also nobody cares about Dyson but kids that think having the most expensive stuff fluffs up their ego to lack for poor upbringing. I have 15 Dysons in my collection and they are not any better than any other vacuum - and - they ruin my carpet.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

VacuumFacts was banned on the old site. IDK how he got unbanned. He is a nuisance, and highly annoying and aggressive when you threaten his narrow-minded world view. He has had his reddit accounts banned 8 times. Also nobody cares about Dyson but kids that think having the most expensive stuff fluffs up their ego to lack for poor upbringing. I have 15 Dysons in my collection and they are not any better than any other vacuum - and - they ruin my carpet.

Huh? I joined here for the very first time a couple of days ago and never had a reddit account or use that website. It was therefore not even possible to be banned or be "a nuisance, and highly annoying and aggressive". That's evidently only what I've experienced here in the last 2 days.

It's actually quite funny reading this. It's like reading about someone else. I've often been smeared by a few for explaining the truth and helping people understand it. Apparently my image has evolved without me knowing into some mythical beast with 3 heads that breathes fire and eats puppies. Dread to think what I'd find if I did a search for my name.

 

[desiredname]

It definitely is true that so many other vacuum brands have copied Dyson over the years. That new motor is quite impressive, I look forward to seeing it in action.

 

[kirbyman65]

Vacuum facts,
I don’t want to argue I just want to state my opinion. You claim that Dyson “solves a problem” which they did. They created a light weight stick vacuum. I don’t think the bag less technology solved any problems. With a bagged vacuum you pay approximately $20 a year for bags and a belt or 2. With a bag less vacuum you spend THE SAME AMOUNT to replace the filters. Additionally in my honest opinion I’m not a fan of their cyclones. They don’t work for me and they clog up rather quickly. James Dyson didn’t create the bag less vacuum. Rexair did. His claims that their vacuums don’t lose suction are also false. 50% of the Dysons I repair have no suction at all.
-Jack

 

[amtraksebo1997]

Vacuum facts,
I don’t want to argue I just want to state my opinion. You claim that Dyson “solves a problem” which they did. They created a light weight stick vacuum. I don’t think the bag less technology solved any problems. With a bagged vacuum you pay approximately $20 a year for bags and a belt or 2. With a bag less vacuum you spend THE SAME AMOUNT to replace the filters. Additionally in my honest opinion I’m not a fan of their cyclones. They don’t work for me and they clog up rather quickly. James Dyson didn’t create the bag less vacuum. Rexair did. His claims that their vacuums don’t lose suction are also false. 50% of the Dysons I repair have no suction at all.
-Jack

And yet he goes after us and claims the ones spreading misinformation. Let's also not forget his pick up tests on a non flow-through waterproof carpet, so pretty much every machine he tested that wasn't a Dyson did horribly.

Like I said, unless you're gonna knock it all off, you can get out. It's one thing to like and collect Dyson vacuums, it's a another thing to put them on a pedestal, act like they're the absolute best vacuums known to man, and bash down other brands/people who like said brands with phony tests and irrelevant data. We know what we're talking about when it comes to vacuum cleaners. You clearly don't.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I understand. Agree to disagree, really, and that's fine. The tests I conduct are absolutely not phony or irrelevant. The data is real, representative, reproducible, and makes physical sense. The detailed science is known and explained for anyone interested. I put the full truth out there. Everything I look at gets a fair crack of the whip (and I have criticised aspects of Dyson machines at times). How people choose to interpret the facts evidenced reveals more about themselves, and people can make their own judgements on that. For anyone receptive to facts and truth, I'm here to help clarify any specifics that are not understood. If people disagree, no problem, but this isn't really a platform where I'd argue (come to my channel for that).

 

[huskyvacs]

We know who you are and how you are. Your name has come up for years - nearly a decade now - and this has already been discussed over and over and over again. You can't undo the damage you have already caused to this community. Many collectors have had the misfortune of dealing with you on their channels. You are narcissist like Johnny Somali who likes to peacock and talk crap until someone punches your card, then you go hide and run away. This is why you like to attack the younger fans who do not have the tact or experience to deal with personalities like yours, where you bully them into backing down or manipulate them into agreeing with everything you say. Childish.

When someone goes out shopping, they always come back with receipts:

"I am the only 'major' channel who has not blocked him as far as I know, because I can take the abuse and generally not care, and it's funny watching him wade in with a comment and suddenly running away when all my fans rip him to shreds. However sadly I know of at least 2 examples where his comments and general idiocy caused 2 people who I personally really like to either stop fully or go quiet for a while as their minds just could not shake it off like I can. And that's wrong. So he is just blocked as it's easier (which I should do really, but I like to poke the angry bee every once in a while when I'm bored) I share your pain everyone!"​

~Sam/Beko​

Jul. 14, 2018: https://vacuumland.org/threads/paid-dyson-and-shark-reviews-plaguing-internet.36945/

Mar. 15, 2019: https://vacuumland.org/threads/the-most-frustrating-vacuum-video-on-youtube.38196/

Mar. 19, 2022: https://vacuumland.org/threads/my-reasons-why-johnnyl8-vacuumfacts-sucks.43109/

Jan 3. 2025:

I will not engage any more in this topic because everything has already been discussed year after year and everyone else has said my exact thoughts.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

o_o Damn. Thanks for the welcome. Hope you feel better at least now.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Wow!!! It is a knock-off of a Panasonic design!!!

So, it turns out I got some details wrong in my video addressing this. There are patents for Dyson's idea of conical brushbars for anti hair tangling that date back earlier than I originally identified, to 11/12/2018, with a public publication date of 20/06/2019 and considerably before Panasonic's patent. This really does show there is ground to think Panasonic just read the patent and duped the idea and why they patented it only locally in Japan to avoid conflict and/or circumvent. Their US product promo specifically states it was 'patented in Japan', presumably because it would be denied now outside that region due to conflict. I regret not seeing this before posting this video now.

There are figures in the Dyson patent from years earlier that look suspiciously like the eventual Panasonic design (see figure) and their description reads as below, clearly indicating hair migrating to that central region. "The brushbar 502 has substantially the same structure as the brushbar 10 previously described, but also has a further debris collection channel 504 located centrally along the brushbar 502. This may be beneficial as debris may have to travel a reduced distance along the brushbar 502, and hence there is a reduced risk of debris wrapping around the brushbar 502 as it travels along the brushbar 502 in use. The further debris collection channel 504 is a region of the brushbar 502 that has a reduced diameter relative to the remainder of the brushbar 502, and the further debris collection channel 504 extends about substantially the entire circumference of the brushbar 502."

As always, it really does now look like the Panasonic product is a knock-off unused Dyson design.

 

[VacuMedic]

Though I am not a big fan of Dyson moving their manufacturing out of the UK, I have to admit this new bare floor stick vac looks amazing!!!!

Though I am not a big fan of Dyson moving their manufacturing out of the UK, I have to admit this new bare floor stick vac looks amazing!!!!

It’s a neat idea I just don’t see the point ( no pun intended )

 

[Vacuum Facts]

Some products are aimed at certain geographical locations. This class of product is more popular in Japan, where it launched presumably deliberately, where homes are smaller and with more hard floor. Small, light products are attractive there.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

It's also very interesting the more I read about this. It does feel as though Dyson might feel cheated out of the circumvention of their patent for conical rollers for hair detangling by Panasonic in Japan, although I've no confirmation. Dyson have a patent for a hard floor washer idea which seems to be following in the footsteps of their Dyson Hard machine which vacuums and washes at once. In it, the non-mop brush rollers are conical, as with their recent products, and they register every possible configuration permutation, including the one like Panasonic seem to have 'invented' (seemingly copied) with narrow tips pointing inwards to the centre, including many other permutations that people could 'clone'. (That inwards configuration like Panasonic's 'idea' isn't a violation of their japanese patent since this is a different product class and advances on it.) It really does feel as though Dyson might be stung by the seemingly cheeky smuggling of their technology by rivals—that ironically is then spun by bad actors with bad faith as propaganda that Dyson stole Panasonic's idea. Dyson often now register all possible dupe permutation designs in their patents to stop this kind of effective technology 'theft'.

 

[vac14012]

Oof I forgot about the Dyson Hard. I feel like that was the quickest Dyson ever discontinued a product line, barely a year and poof. Even the videos at the time advertising it, it didn't look too great. Probably one of the most unknown Dysons as well, as I imagine they wouldn't have discontinued it if it was selling well. I'm glad the submarine head exists now though, as it's quite good imo.

You can actually find the old "Dyson Hard" attachment on eBay. I was tempted to jerryrig it onto my V15 and use a Swiffer Pad. Was concerned the increased suction compared to the 10 year old machine it originally came with would just suck water into the unit though.

 

[Vacuum Facts]

I've looked into that submarine. While I'm not convinced it's better than a good mop and bucket technology used correctly, all the criticism I've seen of it seems to come from clueless people who don't seem to be judging it by what it is and instead judge it by what it isn't supposed to be and just don't understand it.

Dyson's new non-cyclonic separator patents also prevent duping by conceiving every main alternative conceptual permutation of the fundamental core idea, equivalent to the now commonly seen wide range of traditional cyclonic first stage bin separator dupes literally every single manufacturer has copied off Dyson—like the Dreame Z30 or the Sebo A1 Balance cordless stick vacs to name just two. So, hopefully we'll see fewer, if any, dupes that don't work well and sully the original idea going forward. With the exception of Panasonic's seeming questionable circumvention, it's worked so far for conical anti-hair wrap brush bars over the last several years since the V15.

 

[cheesewonton]

I have been lurking on this discussion but have to add that I am pretty certain Panasonic first developed the idea of a conical brush roll to shed hair. I have had an example of one such Panasonic brush roll for probably five years in a small power nozzle. It was offered with one of their canister models which is where my power nozzle came from and then used on a few of their bagless stick vacs. Panasonic's implementation differs from Dyson. Their brush rolls are mounted to the outer edges of the power nozzle and the two brush rolls narrow towards the center. There is a small gap between the brush rolls right in front of the suction inlet so threads and hair move towards the center, fall off the ends and get slurped up into the inlet.

 

[cheesewonton]

Here is an image of how Panasonic does it.
https://d2cdo4blch85n8.cloudfront.n...ee-Cyclone-Cordless-Stick-Vacuum-1024x576.jpg