New Hoover Purepower Intelli-Sense cylinder

[twocvbloke]

"seems like you got a lemon there."

Happens with a lot of Beko products, remember their fridges that burned peoples houses or flats down? How does that even work, a fridge causing fire... :S

It's long out of warranty, was bought over three years ago, sucked from day one, the former owner (the mother's ex) couldn't care less back then, so, yeah, it's not going to get repaired or looked at, I'd rather it just died so I can strip it of it's relays & wires, sell the motor (it'll most likely be fine, the electronics will goof up and die, not that they haven't already) and then get a reliable White Knight dryer...

Back on the subject of vacuums & high-wattage motors, the reason why the power has increased so much is because of the bagless designs that have been in use, the filters clog up so quickly that to overcome the problem, they make the motor suck more by spinning it faster to retain some of it's cleaning power, hence why they're screamers, in order to cool the motor, but in doing so, they created the problem of excessive heat build up...

Older bagged dirty-fan and clean-air vacuums didn't and still don't have this problem because of the simple logic of the idea of the bag, when you throw out the old bag, you're throwing out the dirty, clogged, dust-encrusted filter, but with a modern cheap bagless, you're just dumping out what hasn't stuck to the filter fibres and not cleaning the filter out, thus it clogs and causes the vacuum to fail (either not picking up, overheating and cutting out, or in the worst case, completely burning out due to lack of sufficient cooling airflow), which is why I'm not a fan of most modern vacuums, they fail too easily and are more of a pain to maintain than all of my vacs put together...

When you think about design, look at modern Tristars, Miracle Mates or Patriots, they're using the same basic design & layout as they have done since they brought out the first Compact vacuum, with only aesthetic or filtration design changes over the years, it works, it's efficient, it's reliable, and best of all, it's simple, if you start adding things on, putting blue LEDs all over it, putting higher wattage single-stage motors in, then it gets inefficient and unreliable. There's an old catchphrase, often used in the military, "Keep It Simple Stupid!!!", or "KISS" for short, works for everything, not just vacuums...

 

[jmurray01]

I know what you mean about Bagless cleaners having to have higher wattage motors, as my Panasonic MC-E8011 Twin Cyclonic Bagless cylinder has an 1800W motor, which I find very large, but when you think about it, it is probably necessarily large!

The HOOVER in question is a bagged machine though - So why 2300W!?

 

[suctionselector]

twocvbloke

The Beko's are pants. Family friend owns a Beko washer,2 years old, around 9 repairs.

My tumble dryer uses up a small amount of energy (Creda(Hotpoint made)), but is around 9years old!

Oh, and sorry to speak about dryers, one of my speciallities...

Jacob

 

[jmurray01]

I can't really agree with you in saying all Beko appliances are bad, as we have a Beko WM5100W Washing Machine and a Beko cooker with fan oven and both work very well.

 

[suctionselector]

jmurray01

Thats the Beko I'm on about, does it have 2 dials, 5kg and 1000spin?

 

[jmurray01]

No, it is the more basic version with 5KG load and 1000RPM spin but just the one dial.

The more expensive version has another dial for the spin speed.

 

[baglessball]

Miele vacuums use high wattage motors too..

Personally I think high wattage is a marketing gimmick. For those who aren't really in the know about vacuums, and don't know the first thing about airwatts they see a high power motor and think the machine is more powerful.

I would much prefer suction over noise/heat. My dyson DC41 uses a 1300 watt motor and has 255 airwatts. Does an Electrolux vitesse use 1800w? And only has something like 180 airwatts! Pants!

But unsuspecting people buy in to it..

 

[vintagerepairer]

2CV, sorry to hear of your Beko experience and yours is not the first dryer I have heard about going wrong or doing what it liked. But you will be a fool to yourself to tar all autosense dryers with the same brush. Mine is a Bosch and is well into its 12th year. It is a condensor type but I no longer need that feature so will buy vented next time as clearing the condensor is an bit fiddly. The auto drying fuction has saved me all the guess work and has never let me down. Yet.

Back to the cleaners. I do agree that high wattage is a marketing gimmick, there are no two ways about that. But I also beleive it part serves a purpose which has already been covered, about needing power when a filter is clogged.

I am sure that Meile does not need such a high wattage motor. I am sure it is so they can sit in the same wattage leauge as all the others. Personally I would have prefered to seem them rise above it and put the effort into the marketing (and explaining what matters regarding wattage) than just increasing the wattage.

 

[jmurray01]

Oh yes, it is totally a gimmick!

Back in 2008 when we were in the market for a new Vacuum Cleaner, and neither me or my mum were "in the know" about cleaners, so we went for the highest wattage cleaner we could afford.

Luckily it turned out well as the JMB SC1056 has been very reliable and has great suction, but we could have ended up with an overpowered screamer!

Luckily, these days, I know what I'm talking about, so if I did buy a new cleaner, I'd go for the higher air watts, regardless of the actual wattage.

The fact is though, that I'd sooner buy a 1980's cleaner than a new one, so I'll never have to bother about avoiding overpowered pieces of dirt!

 

[turbo500]

I am sure that Meile does not need such a high wattage motor

funny you should say that, Benny. The Miele cleaners in the states are all 1200w. I think a lot of the European models are too, so it seems it's only the UK that has fallen for this wattage hype.

 

[baglessball]

It must be what sells in the UK market..

 

[twocvbloke]

My miele S316i is 1500 Watts, and in my view is pushing my limit on vac wattage, but at least it has a control on it to reduce it's power usage, even if the electronics look like they've been placed under a grill and turned a nice golden brown ready to burn out...

The Vax foldaway I had came with a 1400w motor, but that too was a screamer, hated it (dunno why I bothered salvaging it, but I guess I'm just a kleptomaniac at times!!), the filter was falling apart after being washed properly, and I didn't fancy dropping £15 on a new filter for it, but the noise, ugh, the only other vac to give me a bad case of tinnitus after using it is my Kirby Vacuette, but the vax, my ears were whistling for hours afterwards trying it out after fixing it, they should supply free ear defenders with modern vacs, surely their decibel ratings are in the danger zone.... :S

Oh, and for the record, we have a Creda washer that's about 10 years old, all repairs have been basic maintenance (fill hoses & motor brushes, oh, and a new door hinge when that brother of mine broke it's door off), it'd be nice to have the matching dryer, but, they'd never be side-by-side so no point really...

 

[suctionselector]

twocvbloke

We have the Hotpoint version of yourwasher with 100spin and 5kg. Model WM62. It solders on after 11 years at our caravan!

 

[twocvbloke]

I'm surprised you know what we have when I haven't said what we have or shown a picture of it... :&#92

And it's a Creda Simplicity 1200-spin, model 17111...

 

[rolls_rapide]

Noisy vacs

The early Dyson DC07 had such a shrill whistling that I'm sure that it gave me tinnitus. They changed the vortex-finder design on the later versions, so there is more of a dull roar.

I couldn't stand the noise of the DC03, it set my teeth on edge.

The latest Panasonic bagless upright seem to be good: 1500Watt motor, generating 350 Air Watts. Powerful, with subdued noise. Having used my mum's, the machine picks up very well, and is easy to empty and easy to maintain the filter: just rotate the filter wheel a few times, dunt the container a few times and the stoor falls out. There is never a lot of dust clinging to the insides of the bin. The shroud holes do clog a bit though, just like the Dyson and the Vax Mach Air. But it is easily cleaned.

The Dyson DC15 seems to gather a lot of dust in the inner cyclone chamber. It clings to the roof of the chamber. The Panasonic doesn't have this problem.

Also, comparing the DC15 "Ball" manoeuvrability to the Panasonic, I vastly prefer the Panasonic. The DC15's wrist-twisting action is a recipe for carpal-tunnel syndrome. True, you do have to shuffle about to change direction, but at least you're not straining your wrists.

 

[sebo_fan]

Well not all Beko things are bad. I had a BEKO TV for a good 15 years before giving it away when I upgraded to LCD.

 

[vintagerepairer]

I have Beko too. It was just that I heard someone else say that their dryer had been a pain from the word go.

 

[jmurray01]

One thing I hate is a high pitched Vacuum Cleaner motor.

I really don't mind a low pitched loud motor, like the old roaring HOOVER motors from the Senior range, in fact I love them.

My 2004 Panasonic MC-E8011 1800W Bagless cylinder has an awfully loud high pitched noise on the maximum wattage, and so does my 2008 JMB SC1056 1400W Bagged cylinder.

I guess it must be something that modern cylinders have - High pitched screamers!

The afore mentioned cleaners work very well in terms of suction though, so that makes up for it.

 

[rolls_rapide]

I think part of the problem in the cheapest cleaners is the restricted airflow and cheap flimsy plastic with no sound proofing.

With some of the multi-cyclonic machines, the tortuous air path seems to set up an ultrasonic whistling which pets do not like.

The MC-UL596 sounds quite refined in comparison.

 

[jmurray01]

Oh that whistling...

It drives me MAD!

My Panasonic Twin Cyclonic does that on MAX wattage and it makes my ears ring.

None of my Bagged machines do that though.

If manufacturers spent more money making well designed Bagged machines rather than cheap, poorly designed Bagless machines, they would make a lot of Vacuum Cleaner enthusiasts like myself very happy.

I'll probably never buy a brand new Vacuum Cleaner again, because most of them are Bagless, and the ones that are Bagged are so poorly designed they are rubbish.

The only manufacturer that makes good Vacuum Cleaners these days is Numatic. And I'm sure it won't be long before they are made in China and the costs are cut to a minimum to save money and bring them down to the current level of quality - VERY LOW!