baglessball
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It must be what sells in the UK market..
New Hoover Purepower Intelli-Sense cylinder
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twocvbloke
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My miele S316i is 1500 Watts, and in my view is pushing my limit on vac wattage, but at least it has a control on it to reduce it's power usage, even if the electronics look like they've been placed under a grill and turned a nice golden brown ready to burn out...
The Vax foldaway I had came with a 1400w motor, but that too was a screamer, hated it (dunno why I bothered salvaging it, but I guess I'm just a kleptomaniac at times!!), the filter was falling apart after being washed properly, and I didn't fancy dropping £15 on a new filter for it, but the noise, ugh, the only other vac to give me a bad case of tinnitus after using it is my Kirby Vacuette, but the vax, my ears were whistling for hours afterwards trying it out after fixing it, they should supply free ear defenders with modern vacs, surely their decibel ratings are in the danger zone.... :S
Oh, and for the record, we have a Creda washer that's about 10 years old, all repairs have been basic maintenance (fill hoses & motor brushes, oh, and a new door hinge when that brother of mine broke it's door off), it'd be nice to have the matching dryer, but, they'd never be side-by-side so no point really...
The Vax foldaway I had came with a 1400w motor, but that too was a screamer, hated it (dunno why I bothered salvaging it, but I guess I'm just a kleptomaniac at times!!), the filter was falling apart after being washed properly, and I didn't fancy dropping £15 on a new filter for it, but the noise, ugh, the only other vac to give me a bad case of tinnitus after using it is my Kirby Vacuette, but the vax, my ears were whistling for hours afterwards trying it out after fixing it, they should supply free ear defenders with modern vacs, surely their decibel ratings are in the danger zone.... :S
Oh, and for the record, we have a Creda washer that's about 10 years old, all repairs have been basic maintenance (fill hoses & motor brushes, oh, and a new door hinge when that brother of mine broke it's door off), it'd be nice to have the matching dryer, but, they'd never be side-by-side so no point really...
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twocvbloke
We have the Hotpoint version of yourwasher with 100spin and 5kg. Model WM62. It solders on after 11 years at our caravan!
We have the Hotpoint version of yourwasher with 100spin and 5kg. Model WM62. It solders on after 11 years at our caravan!
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I'm surprised you know what we have when I haven't said what we have or shown a picture of it... :\
And it's a Creda Simplicity 1200-spin, model 17111...
And it's a Creda Simplicity 1200-spin, model 17111...
rolls_rapide
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Noisy vacs
The early Dyson DC07 had such a shrill whistling that I'm sure that it gave me tinnitus. They changed the vortex-finder design on the later versions, so there is more of a dull roar.
I couldn't stand the noise of the DC03, it set my teeth on edge.
The latest Panasonic bagless upright seem to be good: 1500Watt motor, generating 350 Air Watts. Powerful, with subdued noise. Having used my mum's, the machine picks up very well, and is easy to empty and easy to maintain the filter: just rotate the filter wheel a few times, dunt the container a few times and the stoor falls out. There is never a lot of dust clinging to the insides of the bin. The shroud holes do clog a bit though, just like the Dyson and the Vax Mach Air. But it is easily cleaned.
The Dyson DC15 seems to gather a lot of dust in the inner cyclone chamber. It clings to the roof of the chamber. The Panasonic doesn't have this problem.
Also, comparing the DC15 "Ball" manoeuvrability to the Panasonic, I vastly prefer the Panasonic. The DC15's wrist-twisting action is a recipe for carpal-tunnel syndrome. True, you do have to shuffle about to change direction, but at least you're not straining your wrists.
The early Dyson DC07 had such a shrill whistling that I'm sure that it gave me tinnitus. They changed the vortex-finder design on the later versions, so there is more of a dull roar.
I couldn't stand the noise of the DC03, it set my teeth on edge.
The latest Panasonic bagless upright seem to be good: 1500Watt motor, generating 350 Air Watts. Powerful, with subdued noise. Having used my mum's, the machine picks up very well, and is easy to empty and easy to maintain the filter: just rotate the filter wheel a few times, dunt the container a few times and the stoor falls out. There is never a lot of dust clinging to the insides of the bin. The shroud holes do clog a bit though, just like the Dyson and the Vax Mach Air. But it is easily cleaned.
The Dyson DC15 seems to gather a lot of dust in the inner cyclone chamber. It clings to the roof of the chamber. The Panasonic doesn't have this problem.
Also, comparing the DC15 "Ball" manoeuvrability to the Panasonic, I vastly prefer the Panasonic. The DC15's wrist-twisting action is a recipe for carpal-tunnel syndrome. True, you do have to shuffle about to change direction, but at least you're not straining your wrists.
sebo_fan
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Well not all Beko things are bad. I had a BEKO TV for a good 15 years before giving it away when I upgraded to LCD.
vintagerepairer
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I have Beko too. It was just that I heard someone else say that their dryer had been a pain from the word go.
One thing I hate is a high pitched Vacuum Cleaner motor.
I really don't mind a low pitched loud motor, like the old roaring HOOVER motors from the Senior range, in fact I love them.
My 2004 Panasonic MC-E8011 1800W Bagless cylinder has an awfully loud high pitched noise on the maximum wattage, and so does my 2008 JMB SC1056 1400W Bagged cylinder.
I guess it must be something that modern cylinders have - High pitched screamers!
The afore mentioned cleaners work very well in terms of suction though, so that makes up for it.
I really don't mind a low pitched loud motor, like the old roaring HOOVER motors from the Senior range, in fact I love them.
My 2004 Panasonic MC-E8011 1800W Bagless cylinder has an awfully loud high pitched noise on the maximum wattage, and so does my 2008 JMB SC1056 1400W Bagged cylinder.
I guess it must be something that modern cylinders have - High pitched screamers!
The afore mentioned cleaners work very well in terms of suction though, so that makes up for it.
rolls_rapide
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I think part of the problem in the cheapest cleaners is the restricted airflow and cheap flimsy plastic with no sound proofing.
With some of the multi-cyclonic machines, the tortuous air path seems to set up an ultrasonic whistling which pets do not like.
The MC-UL596 sounds quite refined in comparison.
With some of the multi-cyclonic machines, the tortuous air path seems to set up an ultrasonic whistling which pets do not like.
The MC-UL596 sounds quite refined in comparison.
Oh that whistling...
It drives me MAD!
My Panasonic Twin Cyclonic does that on MAX wattage and it makes my ears ring.
None of my Bagged machines do that though.
If manufacturers spent more money making well designed Bagged machines rather than cheap, poorly designed Bagless machines, they would make a lot of Vacuum Cleaner enthusiasts like myself very happy.
I'll probably never buy a brand new Vacuum Cleaner again, because most of them are Bagless, and the ones that are Bagged are so poorly designed they are rubbish.
The only manufacturer that makes good Vacuum Cleaners these days is Numatic. And I'm sure it won't be long before they are made in China and the costs are cut to a minimum to save money and bring them down to the current level of quality - VERY LOW!
It drives me MAD!
My Panasonic Twin Cyclonic does that on MAX wattage and it makes my ears ring.
None of my Bagged machines do that though.
If manufacturers spent more money making well designed Bagged machines rather than cheap, poorly designed Bagless machines, they would make a lot of Vacuum Cleaner enthusiasts like myself very happy.
I'll probably never buy a brand new Vacuum Cleaner again, because most of them are Bagless, and the ones that are Bagged are so poorly designed they are rubbish.
The only manufacturer that makes good Vacuum Cleaners these days is Numatic. And I'm sure it won't be long before they are made in China and the costs are cut to a minimum to save money and bring them down to the current level of quality - VERY LOW!
vintagerepairer
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Well ever the optimist, I beg to differ about Numatic. They make some good equipment which does what it has to do. Granted they are not pefect, but in a perfect world there would be no need for a vacuum cleaner. Numatic has found it's niche and my goodness me it is sticking to it. I don't doubt that numatic make very little money on the sale of their machines, considering what they must cost to make and the relativly low retail price, but they do seem to be sticking to what they know when it comes to making a product and finding their market.
They have 'cheapend' their cleaners over the years, but then they did at least sell the cheaper models as a different concern (like James and Nuvac), whilst keeping their flagship cleaners (Henry, George) as good as people had grown to expect. There is no doubt too that they are cashing in on the domestic market more and more, with people who've had every bagless cleaner under the sun throwing their hands in the air admitting defeat, before picking a Henry or whatever.
I really do trust in Numatic and hope they will see that it's what they have which makes them what they are.
They have 'cheapend' their cleaners over the years, but then they did at least sell the cheaper models as a different concern (like James and Nuvac), whilst keeping their flagship cleaners (Henry, George) as good as people had grown to expect. There is no doubt too that they are cashing in on the domestic market more and more, with people who've had every bagless cleaner under the sun throwing their hands in the air admitting defeat, before picking a Henry or whatever.
I really do trust in Numatic and hope they will see that it's what they have which makes them what they are.
Don't get me wrong - I pray that Numatic never go downhill and that they keep on making Vacuum Cleaners with the same quality and durability for years to come, but I can't help thinking that one day they will start to thin out the plastic and shorten the flex etc...
My 2007 Numatic Henry is certainly my toughest cleaner and I can almost guarantee years of flawless service, which is more than could be said for a £29.99 "Bargain" Bagless Vacuum Cleaner.
I'm not sure who said it, but somebody said that with Bagless cleaners the best way to empty them when they get full is to throw the whole thing in the bin. Very true! Ha ha ha.
My 2007 Numatic Henry is certainly my toughest cleaner and I can almost guarantee years of flawless service, which is more than could be said for a £29.99 "Bargain" Bagless Vacuum Cleaner.
I'm not sure who said it, but somebody said that with Bagless cleaners the best way to empty them when they get full is to throw the whole thing in the bin. Very true! Ha ha ha.
vintagerepairer
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Well if anything, the flex has got longer over the years. That was my point, it's things like that which make it what it is, and it seems Numatic know this. Shortening the lead is an easy way to save money, but they seem to know it means a lot to the customer.
sebo_fan
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The flex may well get longer but I bought into Numatic through the commercial Henry version (grey one) and then a domestic James. James is as we know a cut down version of Henry, but my older model had a top 800 watt suction motor. I didn't mind that because the bags were full and the vacuum was capable. But in the early days of purchase I never realised that the cable had to lasso'd manually and some Numatics that have the longer cord with the open James top can be quite a disappointment at the end of cleaning and you have all that cable to deal with.
I definitely agree that Numatic are sticking to what they know works. Despite my grunt about the lack of a manual cord winder as with the more expensive Henry model, at least the open top of James means the tools can be stored, even if they don't lock into the recesses properly and wobble about. Also the cord is easy to replace on the James - Henry has a panel that has to be removed, I think.
But, Numatic's principles of design are a bit like SEBO. They deal with the commercial/industry side of things, putting the basics on machines for reliability and longer working hours rather than fads.
I definitely agree that Numatic are sticking to what they know works. Despite my grunt about the lack of a manual cord winder as with the more expensive Henry model, at least the open top of James means the tools can be stored, even if they don't lock into the recesses properly and wobble about. Also the cord is easy to replace on the James - Henry has a panel that has to be removed, I think.
But, Numatic's principles of design are a bit like SEBO. They deal with the commercial/industry side of things, putting the basics on machines for reliability and longer working hours rather than fads.
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Numatic have cheapened things, the two 1000w motors I bought (one for the Tristar, one for Project BarrelVac) that were destined for numatic vacs, they're a chinese Ametek-clone, though for once a pretty decent copy, just wear work gloves when fitting cos of the sharp edges (yeah, that's how they're cheaper, less refining!!!), so they do come with chinese components, heck, there's not a lot these days that don't come with chinese made parts, that's how they have their stranglehold over us in the western world...
But anyway, the motors are far better quality than the crap fitted to most cheap cylinders & uprights, and have more of a roar to them (lower RPM, and being 2-stage, much, much more airflow!!) and a very slight high-pitch whine (comes from the carbon brushes rubbing on the commutator), much more pleasant to use, no ringing ears afterwards, and doesn't run your electricity bill up to tumble dryer levels...
Personally, I prefer simple, effective design, like the Tristar, all it has is a motor, a switch, a couple of filters and a bag, no miles of narrow pipework, no fiddly electronics to burn out, no "bagless" design with filter cartridges, it's just simple, raw cleaning power with very little to go wrong, it's why they've kept the basic design going for the best part of 70 years...
But anyway, the motors are far better quality than the crap fitted to most cheap cylinders & uprights, and have more of a roar to them (lower RPM, and being 2-stage, much, much more airflow!!) and a very slight high-pitch whine (comes from the carbon brushes rubbing on the commutator), much more pleasant to use, no ringing ears afterwards, and doesn't run your electricity bill up to tumble dryer levels...
Personally, I prefer simple, effective design, like the Tristar, all it has is a motor, a switch, a couple of filters and a bag, no miles of narrow pipework, no fiddly electronics to burn out, no "bagless" design with filter cartridges, it's just simple, raw cleaning power with very little to go wrong, it's why they've kept the basic design going for the best part of 70 years...
Well I really do hope things keep going well for Numatic, but I was just saying what I thought may happen, as everything else is going belly up these days.
On the long flex subject, that is one of the many things I love about my Henry.
I can plug it in at the outlet in the landing upstairs, and then take Henry down to the living room!
Whenever I use any other cleaner I have to unplug it when I get to the bottom of the stairs and plug it in in the lobby, but not with good ole Henry.
I think the reason for the immense suction with only 1200W power is because of the fact that none of the motor's power is lost getting from the fan, through the massive filter, through the bag, and to the hose.
When you look at the Numatic system and a conventional Bagged cylinder (like my JMB SC1056 for example), you really realise why Henry has more suction than the JMB - The JMB's intake vent is so small compared to Henry's, which is massive and as I said, no suction is lost by trying to make the vent smaller, and making the filter smaller and cheaper.
I'd far rather spend £15 on a massive filter for my Numtic every year than £2 for a tiny filter for my JMB, because the Numatic gives so much more back than the JMB.
I'm so glad I bought a Numatic for my car valeting, because nothing else would take all the bumps and scrapes Henry gets while being tugged along outside.
Ah - I love ya Henry! In a manly way of course!
On the long flex subject, that is one of the many things I love about my Henry.
I can plug it in at the outlet in the landing upstairs, and then take Henry down to the living room!
Whenever I use any other cleaner I have to unplug it when I get to the bottom of the stairs and plug it in in the lobby, but not with good ole Henry.
I think the reason for the immense suction with only 1200W power is because of the fact that none of the motor's power is lost getting from the fan, through the massive filter, through the bag, and to the hose.
When you look at the Numatic system and a conventional Bagged cylinder (like my JMB SC1056 for example), you really realise why Henry has more suction than the JMB - The JMB's intake vent is so small compared to Henry's, which is massive and as I said, no suction is lost by trying to make the vent smaller, and making the filter smaller and cheaper.
I'd far rather spend £15 on a massive filter for my Numtic every year than £2 for a tiny filter for my JMB, because the Numatic gives so much more back than the JMB.
I'm so glad I bought a Numatic for my car valeting, because nothing else would take all the bumps and scrapes Henry gets while being tugged along outside.
Ah - I love ya Henry! In a manly way of course!
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I'd rather just keep my one HEPA dome pre-filter for the Tristar that I can wash as and when needed, rather than buy a filter every year... 
But I do know what you mean about small filters, in comparison to the Tristar, the pre-filter in the miele is microscopic, restricting airflow, and if I upgraded it to a HEPA filter, then I'd expect the motor and it's electronics to burn out in no time, poor airflow means a hot motor, and a hot motor likes to cut out, burn out, or even catch fire... :S
You can see the inside of the Tristar's bag chamber in this video here, this of course is before I got the HEPA dome filter, and still used it's buttplug filter:
But I do know what you mean about small filters, in comparison to the Tristar, the pre-filter in the miele is microscopic, restricting airflow, and if I upgraded it to a HEPA filter, then I'd expect the motor and it's electronics to burn out in no time, poor airflow means a hot motor, and a hot motor likes to cut out, burn out, or even catch fire... :S
You can see the inside of the Tristar's bag chamber in this video here, this of course is before I got the HEPA dome filter, and still used it's buttplug filter:
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Sorry to resurrect this thread but where did you get your PP Intelli-Sense from ozhoover? I don't think it's available in the UK
sebo_fan
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The red model used to be available on Amazon UK so theres every possibility that the TPP2340 could have been listed there also but as you will see, that red model is listed as being currently unavailable.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hoover-Pure...m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=1R6B2KQGTTGG1GX3E0AF
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hoover-Pure...m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=1R6B2KQGTTGG1GX3E0AF
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The red one isn't the Intelli-Sense Model
ozhoover
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Hi,
I had it shipped over from Italy about 18 months ago via an eBay store.
Cheers
Mark
I had it shipped over from Italy about 18 months ago via an eBay store.
Cheers
Mark
hi-loswitch98
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How much did that cost in total but I could get my uncle to get one from France when he next goes
sebo_fan
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I think it would be cheaper if you just bought from Amazon UK directly; there are some models from Hoover such as their Diva stick vacuums being sold on Amazon UK coming from Germany with a UK adaptor included. Its only a matter of time until other German market models would be available through the UK. Found the link tonight by typing in the word "Hoo" which seems to list two models, one of them being the Diva stick vacuum .
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Could you show me how to do that please sebofan?
sebo_fan
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Its all there online but you have to take time to research &
Go to www.amazon.co.uk and type in "Hoo" in the main location bar/product search. The first listing that appears is a silver Hoover bagless upright, the HP2300. Click on that product and where it says "
HP2300 Hurricane Power Bagless Upright Vacuum Cleaner with Pet Hair Tool by HOO," click on the HOO brand name. You'll get tons of different products, not necessarily by Hoover, the brand but some other vacuums do pop up.
Alternatively just type "Hoover" into the product search location bar and look through the results. Look on the left hand side of the page and click "bagged vacuums" which should then display all bagged vacuums AS WELL AS the brand preferences and tick "Hoover" AS WELL AS "Hoover Candy" before updating the search results.
Here is just one link that shows off a Hoover Purepower cylinder vacuum TPP2321 which clearly says "UK adaptor included."
http://www.amazon.co.uk/TPP2321-ASP...e=UTF8&qid=1374662352&sr=1-11&keywords=Hoover
Go to www.amazon.co.uk and type in "Hoo" in the main location bar/product search. The first listing that appears is a silver Hoover bagless upright, the HP2300. Click on that product and where it says "
HP2300 Hurricane Power Bagless Upright Vacuum Cleaner with Pet Hair Tool by HOO," click on the HOO brand name. You'll get tons of different products, not necessarily by Hoover, the brand but some other vacuums do pop up.
Alternatively just type "Hoover" into the product search location bar and look through the results. Look on the left hand side of the page and click "bagged vacuums" which should then display all bagged vacuums AS WELL AS the brand preferences and tick "Hoover" AS WELL AS "Hoover Candy" before updating the search results.
Here is just one link that shows off a Hoover Purepower cylinder vacuum TPP2321 which clearly says "UK adaptor included."
http://www.amazon.co.uk/TPP2321-ASP...e=UTF8&qid=1374662352&sr=1-11&keywords=Hoover
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Can't find a Purepower Intelli-Sense but did find other variations & a range of Hoover Carpet Washers, called the ClesnJet
