New Hoover Purepower Intelli-Sense cylinder

[ozhoover]

Ok so here's the new European TOL Purepower TPP2340 suction model this one has what's called Intelli-Sense. Nothing new we have all seen feature before called lots of different names, Autosence, Dirt Alert, ect ect....

Its 2300W and for a made in PRC the build quality is really good, it's very quite too...

 

[ozhoover]

Intelli-Sense up close

ready for action

 

[ozhoover]

The carpet is clean

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[ozhoover]

Not clean enough yet

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[sebo_fan]

I saw this recently on Hoover Europe's channel and was really impressed ! I love the look of this vacuum.
However the "power sense" is nothing new - my old Turbopower 2 Autosense from the 1990's had this feature, a 3 traffic light panel on the front. You could adjust it manually if you didn't agree with the vacuum at the time, thus giving you a three selection speed control but when I think back to it, the highest and the middle suction didn't give much of a difference, just noisier.

 

[jmurray01]

Firstly - That cleaner looks great!

Secondly, in my experience, there is quite a difference between the low and high Autosense levels in the Turbopower range, which you can see if you put your hand up to the end of the hose on the lowest level, vacuum up some dirt to rev the motor up, then put your hand over the end of the hose again. You should notice a considerable difference in suction - At least I do anyway...

The thing I don't agree with about that new Purepower, is the fact it says "Clean" and "Not Clean". Well, just because there isn't enough dirt to activate the higher wattage, it doesn't mean the carpet is clean! There could very well still little pieces of dirt on the carpet which the system won't realise.

If I stopped vacuuming when my Turbopower stayed on the lowest wattage, my carpets would still be dirty!

 

[jmurray01]

Ah sorry - I misunderstood what you said! Still though, I notice an increase in suction from the low, high, and Turbo levels, but maybe I just notice things more.

 

[sebo_fan]

Or may be you don't - because as far as I'm concerned, there was little difference between the medium and turbo setting on the TP2/3 series. Same with the Turbopower dirty fan models - not much difference between the 1 and 2 settings, unless of course you had a fresh new bag, untainted and unclogged.

 

[twocvbloke]

2300 Watts??? That's more than what my tumble dryer uses!!!! :S

 

[turbomaster1984]

Tumbledryer?

I think not lol. 2.3kw Heater maybe but then still cost in the 300w or more motor. Maybe even a pump if its condensor or other fan etc and you maye be in at around 2.8/2.9kw

 

[jmurray01]

Whoa 2300 Watts sure is a lot!

 

[twocvbloke]

"I think not lol."

I think so, it's a Beko computerised POS, and my wattmeter registers about 1.4 Kilowatts when it's running (give or take a few if the TV's on and laptops are running or whatever), so whichever way you look at it, that vac uses more power than a tumble dryer... :S

Why can't they just use proper, efficient, 2-stage motors? Like the 1000 Watt one I put into my Tristar, that thing will drag rugs across the floor with the rug nozzle fitted, and uses less electrical power, turning it into greater suction & airflow power than most modern cylinders, AND doesn't scream so loud that my ears feel like they're going to burst and start bleeding as with many high-wattage vacuums manufacturers spout out these days...

As for the Intelli-sense feature, my Tristar, and heck my miele too, have those features, they're called my Eyes and Ears, if I don't see dirt on the carpet or hear it going up the tubes, it's clean, can't beat human intelligence...

 

[turbomaster1984]

Interested to know what model Beko it is?

if its drying cotton loads on hi heat and only using 1400 watts then i might consider replacing my energy guzzling "Normal" tumble dryer that draws 2800W.

 

[vintagerepairer]

The motor wattages are getting to the stupid stage now. It's just the quickest and easiest way of attempting to get some half decent suction power from a bagless cleaner which clogs. Panasonic are one brand where they are fitting lower wattage motors and claiming to be X amount more efficient. I was going to say it will have to stop at some point, but when? Then I realised they can't go over 3kw. So probably then.

 

[twocvbloke]

"Interested to know what model Beko it is?"

As far as I know, the Pieceocrapomatic, the computer's unreliable, doesn't put out enough heat, and has a really rubbish sensor-drying thing which senses nothing, so shuts off too early if you have a slightly undersized or oversized load, so you have to start it again to dry the damp clothes...

I hate it, I'd rather have my old 2 Kilowatt White Knight compact dryer, with a clockwork timer and two settings, High and Low, nothing to go wrong and very simple to maintain...

If you really want one after that, it's one of these (only ours has a few dents where my boots have gotten up close and personal with it!!):



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/220940284712

 

[turbomaster1984]

ok

Oh right,

Yes its one that draws around 2800watts normally so yes the vac does not pull as much as the dryer.

I would suggest if its not drying cotton very well you dont use the low heat button which makes the heater run cooler thus registering around 1400W.

 

[twocvbloke]

There is no low heat button, all you have is a knob to select a programme (all of which are useless even the 60 minute programme never lasts 60 minutes), a start-stop button, and an "Alarm Cancel" button, it's all to do with it's sensor drying detecting what it needs to do, and it fails at doing so...

And as for a 2.8KW dryer rating, I have seen vacs with that rating, and higher, so, yeah, I'll stick with my 1KW Tristar...

(and also, stick with your dryer, more watts means more heat dry dry in less time, because contrary to belief, less watts means slower drying times and more energy wasted turning the drum, not very efficient!!!)

 

[turbomaster1984]

And as for a 2.8KW dryer rating, I have seen vacs with that

but we were talking about this Hoover? the Purepower one? didnt see any mention of anything else???

I would suggest you have Beko out to the dryer anyway and have them look at it, seems like you got a lemon there.

Dont know how you would explain the boot marks though. They may make your warranty null and void for the abuse. Always better to call out the enginner if its not right as tumble dryers dont feel pain or fear and thus dont work any better when kicked.

 

[jmurray01]

You're right Benny, it won't be long (in fact I think it'll be within this year!) before some Vacuum Cleaner brand (probably HOOVER) brings out a cleaner with a 3000W motor.

Absolutely ridiculous!

The reason for all the massive motors these days is because none of the brands can be bothered to give a cleaner good design so it doesn't need so much power to perform well, so they just design them poorly and give them the biggest motor possible to try and get good suction.

My 500 watt 1982 Electrolux 502S has plenty suction, and unless you turn the suction selector down to "MIN", it'll suck the door mat right into the brush roll!

Same with my 400 watt 1977 HOOVER Ranger for that matter, only you can't turn the suction down on that so I have to raise the height.

So let me get this straight - 500 watts was more than enough to keep carpets clean back in the 80's, so why isn't it now ? I can't see why not, as I still use my Electrolux 3-4 times a week and have never been disappointed with the suction, nor seen any dirt left behind after one "sweep".

All in all, Vacuum Cleaner manufacturers are getting lazy and trying to make good cleaners with less work.

It is like back in the 50's and 60's where cars had V8's which barely put out 150BHP, where as there are I4 engines these days which with the right design can put out OVER 150BHP!

I think Vacuum Cleaner manufacturers should look back at automotive history, and see that they can make smaller motors with the same, or more suction than larger ones.

That's my Two Pence!

 

[twocvbloke]

"seems like you got a lemon there."

Happens with a lot of Beko products, remember their fridges that burned peoples houses or flats down? How does that even work, a fridge causing fire... :S

It's long out of warranty, was bought over three years ago, sucked from day one, the former owner (the mother's ex) couldn't care less back then, so, yeah, it's not going to get repaired or looked at, I'd rather it just died so I can strip it of it's relays & wires, sell the motor (it'll most likely be fine, the electronics will goof up and die, not that they haven't already) and then get a reliable White Knight dryer...

Back on the subject of vacuums & high-wattage motors, the reason why the power has increased so much is because of the bagless designs that have been in use, the filters clog up so quickly that to overcome the problem, they make the motor suck more by spinning it faster to retain some of it's cleaning power, hence why they're screamers, in order to cool the motor, but in doing so, they created the problem of excessive heat build up...

Older bagged dirty-fan and clean-air vacuums didn't and still don't have this problem because of the simple logic of the idea of the bag, when you throw out the old bag, you're throwing out the dirty, clogged, dust-encrusted filter, but with a modern cheap bagless, you're just dumping out what hasn't stuck to the filter fibres and not cleaning the filter out, thus it clogs and causes the vacuum to fail (either not picking up, overheating and cutting out, or in the worst case, completely burning out due to lack of sufficient cooling airflow), which is why I'm not a fan of most modern vacuums, they fail too easily and are more of a pain to maintain than all of my vacs put together...

When you think about design, look at modern Tristars, Miracle Mates or Patriots, they're using the same basic design & layout as they have done since they brought out the first Compact vacuum, with only aesthetic or filtration design changes over the years, it works, it's efficient, it's reliable, and best of all, it's simple, if you start adding things on, putting blue LEDs all over it, putting higher wattage single-stage motors in, then it gets inefficient and unreliable. There's an old catchphrase, often used in the military, "Keep It Simple Stupid!!!", or "KISS" for short, works for everything, not just vacuums...

 

[jmurray01]

I know what you mean about Bagless cleaners having to have higher wattage motors, as my Panasonic MC-E8011 Twin Cyclonic Bagless cylinder has an 1800W motor, which I find very large, but when you think about it, it is probably necessarily large!

The HOOVER in question is a bagged machine though - So why 2300W!?

 

[suctionselector]

twocvbloke

The Beko's are pants. Family friend owns a Beko washer,2 years old, around 9 repairs.

My tumble dryer uses up a small amount of energy (Creda(Hotpoint made)), but is around 9years old!

Oh, and sorry to speak about dryers, one of my speciallities...

Jacob

 

[jmurray01]

I can't really agree with you in saying all Beko appliances are bad, as we have a Beko WM5100W Washing Machine and a Beko cooker with fan oven and both work very well.

 

[suctionselector]

jmurray01

Thats the Beko I'm on about, does it have 2 dials, 5kg and 1000spin?

 

[jmurray01]

No, it is the more basic version with 5KG load and 1000RPM spin but just the one dial.

The more expensive version has another dial for the spin speed.

 

[baglessball]

Miele vacuums use high wattage motors too..

Personally I think high wattage is a marketing gimmick. For those who aren't really in the know about vacuums, and don't know the first thing about airwatts they see a high power motor and think the machine is more powerful.

I would much prefer suction over noise/heat. My dyson DC41 uses a 1300 watt motor and has 255 airwatts. Does an Electrolux vitesse use 1800w? And only has something like 180 airwatts! Pants!

But unsuspecting people buy in to it..

 

[vintagerepairer]

2CV, sorry to hear of your Beko experience and yours is not the first dryer I have heard about going wrong or doing what it liked. But you will be a fool to yourself to tar all autosense dryers with the same brush. Mine is a Bosch and is well into its 12th year. It is a condensor type but I no longer need that feature so will buy vented next time as clearing the condensor is an bit fiddly. The auto drying fuction has saved me all the guess work and has never let me down. Yet.

Back to the cleaners. I do agree that high wattage is a marketing gimmick, there are no two ways about that. But I also beleive it part serves a purpose which has already been covered, about needing power when a filter is clogged.

I am sure that Meile does not need such a high wattage motor. I am sure it is so they can sit in the same wattage leauge as all the others. Personally I would have prefered to seem them rise above it and put the effort into the marketing (and explaining what matters regarding wattage) than just increasing the wattage.

 

[jmurray01]

Oh yes, it is totally a gimmick!

Back in 2008 when we were in the market for a new Vacuum Cleaner, and neither me or my mum were "in the know" about cleaners, so we went for the highest wattage cleaner we could afford.

Luckily it turned out well as the JMB SC1056 has been very reliable and has great suction, but we could have ended up with an overpowered screamer!

Luckily, these days, I know what I'm talking about, so if I did buy a new cleaner, I'd go for the higher air watts, regardless of the actual wattage.

The fact is though, that I'd sooner buy a 1980's cleaner than a new one, so I'll never have to bother about avoiding overpowered pieces of dirt!

 

[turbo500]

I am sure that Meile does not need such a high wattage motor

funny you should say that, Benny. The Miele cleaners in the states are all 1200w. I think a lot of the European models are too, so it seems it's only the UK that has fallen for this wattage hype.