sebo_fan
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Could it be the climate that is different to the UK? I know my friend's partners parents have a Rainbow vac which seems to go on forever in Cape Town.
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gsheen
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Old Rainbows go on forever, The hoses however here is SA don't. You will find many low ( for SA ) Rainbows with taped up hoses here, The water reservoir doesn't last either. They get dropped carelessly till the point of breaking.
sebo_fan
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Miele in the Czech market have a new Miele S8 Silence Plus "Ecoline" S8390 - it is different to the S8390 that the UK has - this one has a new Eco 700 watt motor. [this post was last edited: 2/24/2014-17:42]
http://www.miele.cz/cz/domacnost/produkty/vysavace_pristroje_S8_Silence_Plus-68703.htm
http://www.miele.cz/cz/domacnost/produkty/vysavace_pristroje_S8_Silence_Plus-68703.htm
hi-loswitch98
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Won't the new Vacuums from September 2014 cost more due to more effort put into designing them in the first place?
sebo_fan
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They could cost more but then it will cost more to the brand for having to redesign key parts.
vintagerepairer
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I think the price of vacuum cleaners will rocket. I think we won't see much for sale under the £50 mark. I would also welcome that.
hi-loswitch98
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I would also welcome that.
I agree VR. Hopefully the price will go up & when a belt snaps or filters get clogged people won't chuck it out first chance they get.
I agree VR. Hopefully the price will go up & when a belt snaps or filters get clogged people won't chuck it out first chance they get.
sebo_fan
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I don't welcome that.
Why?
Because even if brands lower vacuum cleaner wattage, there's no telling what the other quality will be like.
Currently washing machines are becoming cheaper to buy all the time with brands like BEKO soon going into the middle priced range and Currys/BUSH/Argos probably releasing budget brand versions.
I think the auction sites may become busier as a result.
Why?
Because even if brands lower vacuum cleaner wattage, there's no telling what the other quality will be like.
Currently washing machines are becoming cheaper to buy all the time with brands like BEKO soon going into the middle priced range and Currys/BUSH/Argos probably releasing budget brand versions.
I think the auction sites may become busier as a result.
kirbymodel2c
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Hi,
<span style="font-size: large; font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">Hi, I get quit a good percentage of vacs come in with burnt out motors. So I wouldn't say it's rare at all. I get lots of Dysons coming in with burnt out motors but there normally worth repairing as long as the bodies are in decent condition. I was working on a DC19 Argos exclusive today that needed a new motor. The cheaper vacs when the motor goes tend not to make it in to the shop in the first place. There not normally worth repairing which I'd say most people guess before throwing it out.</span>
<span style="font-size: large; font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">Allot of the cheaper vacs that do make it in come in with cord issues and the body falling to bits like the brush roll melting and seizing up. As well as the usual blockages and not cleaning filters etc which are common place.</span>
<span style="font-size: large; font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">I'm guessing when the new regs come in the new motors and bodies will still fail. We'll soon find out
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<span style="font-size: large; font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">James
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<span style="font-size: large; font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">Hi, I get quit a good percentage of vacs come in with burnt out motors. So I wouldn't say it's rare at all. I get lots of Dysons coming in with burnt out motors but there normally worth repairing as long as the bodies are in decent condition. I was working on a DC19 Argos exclusive today that needed a new motor. The cheaper vacs when the motor goes tend not to make it in to the shop in the first place. There not normally worth repairing which I'd say most people guess before throwing it out.</span>
<span style="font-size: large; font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">Allot of the cheaper vacs that do make it in come in with cord issues and the body falling to bits like the brush roll melting and seizing up. As well as the usual blockages and not cleaning filters etc which are common place.</span>
<span style="font-size: large; font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">I'm guessing when the new regs come in the new motors and bodies will still fail. We'll soon find out
<span style="font-size: large; font-family: book antiqua,palatino;">James
sebo_fan
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So, of the vacuums that come in "burnt out," one could summize and say that even if Dyson are expensive, owners aren't maintaining their vacuums, or if they are, they're still liable to burn out? No wonder Dyson isn't as reliable as other brands.
Have you ever dealt with bagged vacuums suffering similar burn out?
Have you ever dealt with bagged vacuums suffering similar burn out?
kirbymodel2c
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Umm
Yep I still get bagged vacs in with burnt out motors. From the Miele & Sebo end to the cheaper bagged vacs like the Panasonic uprights but more bagless vacs than bagged ones. This could be partly down to more bagless vacs being sold now.
I would say it's a mix of the manufacturers not wanting the motor to last to long with average use and people not maintaining their vacs as well as abusing them. In bagged vacs I still see people fishing dirt out their bags to keep reusing them. Or surprised you can't suck up large object with out them becoming stuck. My supplier had another lady in last week who was surprised you had to empty the vacuum.
I had a DC41 in last year that had 8 months of doing the "shake n vac" that had killed off the motor. I wonder if they read the instructions?
James
Yep I still get bagged vacs in with burnt out motors. From the Miele & Sebo end to the cheaper bagged vacs like the Panasonic uprights but more bagless vacs than bagged ones. This could be partly down to more bagless vacs being sold now.
I would say it's a mix of the manufacturers not wanting the motor to last to long with average use and people not maintaining their vacs as well as abusing them. In bagged vacs I still see people fishing dirt out their bags to keep reusing them. Or surprised you can't suck up large object with out them becoming stuck. My supplier had another lady in last week who was surprised you had to empty the vacuum.
James
madaboutsebo
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The Start of the SEBO Eco vacuums....
Just having a look around at the SEBO UK and German websites I noticed on the German SEBO website the arrival of the start of their Eco vacuums in the form of the SEBO K Series as Ryan state they where working on some Eco Models. They come in 3 models:
SEBO Airbelt K1 ECO 1200
SEBO Airbelt K1 ECO 700
SEBO Airbelt K3 ECO Comfort
Motor wattage ranges from 700 to 1200 watts as stated above in the model line up. Looks like there is new airbelt designs too! The 700 watt falls into the second phase of the EU Regs of 900 watts and the other 2 within this years 1600 watts. Be interesting to see how the 700 watt K Series performs. Be interesting to see what other models in the SEBO line up have the Eco range added! I wonder if any completely new models emerge too!?
Note: The pictures they have put on there might be old as the wattage on the machine states 1500 and 2100 when you take a look at each model!
Just having a look around at the SEBO UK and German websites I noticed on the German SEBO website the arrival of the start of their Eco vacuums in the form of the SEBO K Series as Ryan state they where working on some Eco Models. They come in 3 models:
SEBO Airbelt K1 ECO 1200
SEBO Airbelt K1 ECO 700
SEBO Airbelt K3 ECO Comfort
Motor wattage ranges from 700 to 1200 watts as stated above in the model line up. Looks like there is new airbelt designs too! The 700 watt falls into the second phase of the EU Regs of 900 watts and the other 2 within this years 1600 watts. Be interesting to see how the 700 watt K Series performs. Be interesting to see what other models in the SEBO line up have the Eco range added! I wonder if any completely new models emerge too!?
Note: The pictures they have put on there might be old as the wattage on the machine states 1500 and 2100 when you take a look at each model!
sebo_fan
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Well spotted Jon! AEG also have an improved UOGREEN Ultra model out, rated also at 700 watts. its currently £249 at Amazon UK.
madaboutsebo
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Thanks Ryan. I only noticed it as I went to check out the SEBO Germany website as well as the UK and there they where on the home page! I wonder what SEBO UK will bring us out of those 3 K Series models from Germany?
That's a nice looking cylinder from AEG, take its a bag version? Looks like some manufacturers are choosing to go for the lower wattage to meet the new regs in 2017 now rather than wait which is not a bad thing. Would like to see how they perform these 700 watt vacuums should be ok? I don't have my Felix on full, only occasionally on hard floors for an extra boost!
That's a nice looking cylinder from AEG, take its a bag version? Looks like some manufacturers are choosing to go for the lower wattage to meet the new regs in 2017 now rather than wait which is not a bad thing. Would like to see how they perform these 700 watt vacuums should be ok? I don't have my Felix on full, only occasionally on hard floors for an extra boost!
sebo_fan
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The K Eco models are relatively new and haven't yet been tested or bought. (those with the 700 watt or 1200 watt models with the electronic suction slider control on the handle).
However the Miele S8 Silence Plus has been tested and bought by some buyers in the EU and it gets top marks - that has 700 watts too.
However the Miele S8 Silence Plus has been tested and bought by some buyers in the EU and it gets top marks - that has 700 watts too.
madaboutsebo
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I'm sure they will do fine. That's interesting to know about the Miele S8 Silence Plus thanks for that info. Sounds promising for the new Eco SEBO K models 700 and 1200 watts.
From what you can see on the SEBO German website doesn't look like they have changed or redesigned the floor heads or anything else other than changed the motor. If that's the case and they perform well like the Miele S8 then that will be great. Wonder if a 700, 800 or 900 watt Felix or X series will appear! Well the original X1 was 800 or 900 watts wasn't it?
From what you can see on the SEBO German website doesn't look like they have changed or redesigned the floor heads or anything else other than changed the motor. If that's the case and they perform well like the Miele S8 then that will be great. Wonder if a 700, 800 or 900 watt Felix or X series will appear! Well the original X1 was 800 or 900 watts wasn't it?
sebo_fan
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It was but it was released at a time when "power hungry" vacs started to come on the market. SEBO have already given a new floor head to some of the Eco models, featured on the D2 series, as yet not available in the UK. Its a Wessel werk floor head that Miele first featured with their S4 Ecoline.
It wouldn't be hard for SEBO to lower the motor on the Felix, but getting around the PN floor head may be harder.
As for the X1 - well, as the owner of one - there is minimal difference of suction between that and the X1.1 Perhaps SEBO will lower the watts, but to be fair, both the Felix and the X are already low enough with their existing range.
I'm more interested to see how Miele would tackle with their S7. Knowing that it has 1800 watts already.
It wouldn't be hard for SEBO to lower the motor on the Felix, but getting around the PN floor head may be harder.
As for the X1 - well, as the owner of one - there is minimal difference of suction between that and the X1.1 Perhaps SEBO will lower the watts, but to be fair, both the Felix and the X are already low enough with their existing range.
I'm more interested to see how Miele would tackle with their S7. Knowing that it has 1800 watts already.
madaboutsebo
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I did wonder if they had changed anything else other than the motor wattage. Will take a look.
That's true suppose the PN will have to be taken into account. That's good to know the X1verses the X1.1. I was jumping the gun a bit and thinking what SEBO will do for when the 2017 regs come in but that's a few years off yet and things could change!
Yes that will be an interesting one for Miele the S7. It does have a complex air path from floor to bag and bag through to motor and out of the machine! Suppose that's down to the swivel head design. I wonder if they have a replacement in mind already or working on one or just lower the motor wattage to meet the 2014 regs for now!
That's true suppose the PN will have to be taken into account. That's good to know the X1verses the X1.1. I was jumping the gun a bit and thinking what SEBO will do for when the 2017 regs come in but that's a few years off yet and things could change!
Yes that will be an interesting one for Miele the S7. It does have a complex air path from floor to bag and bag through to motor and out of the machine! Suppose that's down to the swivel head design. I wonder if they have a replacement in mind already or working on one or just lower the motor wattage to meet the 2014 regs for now!
vintagerepairer
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2017 regs
Frankly, by the time the ruling for 900watts comes into force in 2017, I predict that no vacuum cleaner will be exceeding it by then anyway. Whilst I welcome the rulings, there is no getting away from the fact that this is costing vacuum cleaner manufacturers a good deal of money. I expect they could ill afford the expense once, let alone twice, so it makes sense for them to get their cleaners below 900watts now, in time for the 2014 rulings, as opposed to getting them to 1600 watts this yer and then going through it all again to get them down to 900 watts in three years time. I think by 2017 it will only be the cheap and brash cleaners which will still be boasting a 1600 wattage.
Frankly, by the time the ruling for 900watts comes into force in 2017, I predict that no vacuum cleaner will be exceeding it by then anyway. Whilst I welcome the rulings, there is no getting away from the fact that this is costing vacuum cleaner manufacturers a good deal of money. I expect they could ill afford the expense once, let alone twice, so it makes sense for them to get their cleaners below 900watts now, in time for the 2014 rulings, as opposed to getting them to 1600 watts this yer and then going through it all again to get them down to 900 watts in three years time. I think by 2017 it will only be the cheap and brash cleaners which will still be boasting a 1600 wattage.
sebo_fan
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Thing is, there are vacuums that presently have 900 watts and even lower- but they come under the vintage line! One that I see quite regularly is the Hoover wet and dry canister - 900 watts clearly written along the main body.
By 2017, I don't think any company will be able to sell anything at 1600 watts. If brands start producing 700 to 900 watts now and within the EU law, they won't have to change much. However, they will have to redesign key elements and probably, yes it may well mean they have to spend a bit of money - but its about time they did this. Some brands charge too much any way at cost prices!
By 2017, I don't think any company will be able to sell anything at 1600 watts. If brands start producing 700 to 900 watts now and within the EU law, they won't have to change much. However, they will have to redesign key elements and probably, yes it may well mean they have to spend a bit of money - but its about time they did this. Some brands charge too much any way at cost prices!
