My New Aerus Guardian Ultra

[utahprideboy]

Danorob1

The green brushes bristle's are to aggressive for your Power nozzle motor in your Guardian ultra and will burn it out if you use it on rugs with any high pile! the P/N motor for the green brushes had a stronger field that was painted Green and was a 2 amp motor, the motor on the ultra is only a 1.2 amp motor so not as strong to turn the roller properly and will get hot fast!

 

[cue003]

@utahprideboy, thanks for the clarification on the brush roll.

 

[kirbyultimateg]

I have a question. Would the PN brushroll with the green bristles work on the uprights? Thanks.

 

[kirbyultimateg]

When will Aerus Electrolux come out with a self propelled upright to compete with Kirby and Hoover? Aerus Electrolux already has a 8 pound upright to compete with Oreck and Riccar and Simplicity. Thanks.

 

[floor-a-matic]

HPO green brush roller

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">Can I use it on a TriStar A101/EXL/MG/CS Series power nozzle?  The <span style="text-decoration: underline;">good</span> thing is, the TriStar A101 PN's housing is magnesium instead of plastic, which puts more weight on the nozzle; so it seems to "dig" deeper into the carpet.</span>


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<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">So far, I really like this design brush roller; is this the one funeraldirector Brian refers to as the "double helix" brush roller?</span>

[this post was last edited: 2/18/2013-22:17]

 

[funeraldirector]

Green Roller & P/N Motors

Rob and Dan A.,


The Lux HPO brush roller assy. works fine on the current Lux Omniflo with the Johnson Electric 1.2 A motor. We only made the 2.1 motor with the green field and the heavy duty circuit breaker (black button vs red) for one year with the Lux 9000. Dirt removal improvement was around 20% with the significantly stiffer bristles and the increased RPM and torque of that motor over the one it replaced. The current Johnson is the OEM replacement for the 9000 nozzle with the 48011 roller and unless you guys have 2" shag will never miss the torque of the other motor. Looks can be deceiving in the case of the 350 suction motor vs the VM3 (Legacy) and the same is true with these P/N motors when it comes to performance. I spoke at length with an expert in ASTM testing with Lux nozzles and the three recent OEM roller brushes (he uses green) as well as one of the top guys at Lux corporate who took time to locate the last two NIB HPO rollers for me so this combination won't bake your power nozzle I promise. There is no difference in motor temperature either. SOME of the older nozzles won't spin this brush so a word of caution. My jadestone blue/taupe 1521 UltraClassic (last metal they made) with the lighted nozzle would not run this setup. My Guardian Platinum HPO nozzle delivers the same performance as the Miele SEB 236 in real-world ASTM testing. Not bad for a 30 year old power nozzle design.

As far as the Lux nozzle, there is a big difference in the beating action over the double helix design while the double helix reduces what I term "spatter effect." You guys can see the difference by putting some sand and fine wood chips/flour under a chair on a cut pile carpet that has a pad under it. The green HPO brush vibrates so much the particles 6-7 inches from the nozzle on the Platinum bounce off the carpet. I do like the fact there are more bristles on the double and the heavier "V" pattern. Lux went away from this HPO design due to the fact that the stiffer the roller, the more degradation in carpet fibers when examined with an electron microscope.

The problem with the Omniflo nozzle and Consumer Reports testing is threefold. First the bristles of the current double helix are soft compared to the Top-Rated machines. Second they do not extend far enough below the base plate. Think the Lux upright pushes easier with a new roller? It does. Measure the distance below the plate on the Guardian Upright compared to a Legacy power nozzle and it has about twice the bristle on the carpet since it sits lower in the nozzle base. This compensated for the smaller suction motor in the DII. My Platinum hates the deep ridges in my LL Bean MudHog door mat because the bristles are not long enough. Lastly the opening around the brush roller dissipates the air flow too much. Smaller opening around the bristles means better soil removal. I know they are coming out with a new nozzle and hopefully will be a little smaller like the Sebo ET1 which is 12" instead of 15."

While ASTM testing procedures show good performance, Mrs. Jones will be influenced by CR's flawed testing methodology so hopefully the new nozzle addresses these issues on what has been one of the most durable power nozzles ever made.


Brian

 

[electromatik]

Holy cow funeraldirector!

Were you an engineer for Electrolux? You sure seem to know the inner workings like an engineer. I was reading an Aerus salesman talking about Consumer Reports' testing and he blamed the poorer showing of some high-end models primarily on the talcum powder stopping up the bags (particularly Aerus' bags) and shutting them off too soon. He says the customer seeing large amounts of dirt in the bag usually convinced the potential customer it was a good machine. Once I read a CR issue about an Electrolux 6500SR (Legacy today) and they even stated it shut off before the carpet test was complete. They either didn't adjust the automatic control or it still couldn't handle it. Nowadays, you can't adjust the automatic shut-off in any way. It's preset to "normal" dirt; shutting off at 20% suction decline.

 

[utahprideboy]

Brian

thanks for letting me know! thanks for your research, i will let this go and hope the best for others out there. i have smoked a 1.2 amp motor with the green brushes and for me i will stick with the double helix!

 

[funeraldirector]

Brush Rollers

Utahprideboy,


Dan I missed the info in your post about the smoked motor. Caution is definitely a good thing when making this change and I don't blame you for going back to the double helix. I would not be surprised if cost was a motivating factor in Lux eliminating the larger motor and replacing it with the 1.2 amp unit in the newer nozzles and the 9000's with green when they fail. Lets see what they offer in the new upright. it's definitely time for a nozzle upgrade.


Brian

 

[funeraldirector]

Testing

Electromatik,


I think the CR testing is flawed across the board and definitely hurts the higher filtration units the most. Unfortunately they need to perform better in those tests because lots of people read that magazine or have someone read it to them, and make purchase decisions based on their ratings.

I am not an engineer but have made numerous suggestions over the years that actually went into production in Bristol. The Lux upright with the full-sized VM3 motor and the "V" bulkhead was one of those ideas. I have pushed their head engineer since 2003 to introduce a more powerful machine with the stainless skin. Truth be told I prefer the smell of diesel in the morning to a dirt digging demo.

Brian

 

[danorob1]

OK - So if you look at the images at the start of my post, you will see that the carpet is a very high quality carpet, that is so tightly packed, that it is almost impossible to really pull the fibers apart to get to the carpet backing...

From the standpoint of vacuuming it, I would usually have to set any adjustable power nozzle or upright head on the lowest setting or they did not really do anything... It is almost like you are vacuuming flat office carpet without padding...

So - For the Final Verdict - Do you think I would have any issues using the green brush roll ???

I am thinking the answer would be no, but am a little nervous after following all the replies...

Thanks,
Dan P.

 

[floor-a-matic]

Go for this double-helix brush roller; it'll clean even "hard-to-groom" carpets. This way, U won't "fry out" the PN motor. I don't know how the HPO green brush roller can put a lot of strain to the PN motors.

There was also a 3-row brush roller for the PN1 that came with the Hospital G. I don't know why the 3-row brush roller didn't sell so well?

http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?606

 

[funeraldirector]

TRY IT

Dan P.,

Looking at your carpet you will be fine with the green roller. You will notice the carpets will get softer with repeated use. I have several rooms of berber the same color and shampoo with the FloorPro and Kirby lavender suds. The stiffer bristles beat that soap residue out a lot better.


Floor-a-Matic,

That is what I call double helix. Can you post some up close pics of you Tristar CS nozzle lid on and lid off? I have never seen one up close and personal. I like the idea of the metal top cover.


Brian

 

[floor-a-matic]

Can I use the DriLux (DriStar) (blue or white bristles) brush roller on a Lux or A101 TriStar PN? It seems like the more bristles, the better grooming of carpet; like as if I was using a pile lifter.

 

[danorob1]

So.... The Day I picked up the Guardian Ultra, I ordered three boxes of the Perfect HEPA bags from Amazon... Due to an error on their part, they shipped Envirocare bags, and not the Perfect HEPA Bags...

So I had to Vacuum using the Aerus Blue bag that was in the vacuum when I purchased it...

Guess What... When the correct Perfect HEPA bags finally came yesterday, and I took out the Aerus Blue bag, the Bottom of the bag where the dark blue paper strip is, was covered in dust over where the motor intake port is...

So it is clear that the problem is not just with the Bags in the Guardian Platinum, but I think Aerus has an issue with their bags as a whole...

In the Two years that I had used the Perfect Metal Canister with the Perfect HEPA Bags, there was NEVER a trace of dust in the bag chamber - (I used to wipe it with a Black Cloth just to check)...

When I wiped the Chamber of the my Guardian Ultra, there was a coating of dust in it already after only vacuuming three times... Mostly in the lower part of the chamber...

I will stop by Aerus tomorrow to check out the floor models and see how dirty the bag chambers are in the demo models...

I am really glad now that I stayed with the Ultra for now until this is resolved... I would not use any bag other then the Perfect HEPA bags now...

Dan P.

 

[kirbyloverdan]

I own two

Guardian Ultras and I just took out my full bag I have used this machine for two years and purchased my bags when I bought the machine. I buy the 100 pack of the genuine Aerus blue bags . I took a black cotton cloth and wiped inside my 2 year old Ultras bag chamber and the cloth came out clean zero dust trace inside . I wonder if Areus has changed how they make their bags compared to my two year old bags . I also buy my bags for my uprights by the 100 pack and that was also two years ago . I checked my upright also and it's dust free also .

Dan

 

[electromatik]

This is just so surprising... The bags are tested to filter 97% of .5 microns and 94% of .3 microns. I don't see how that much could get thru. Could it be coming from outside the bag as the air swirls around the bag?

 

[floor-a-matic]

Here's my TriStar A101 (general model # for the EXL, MG1/2/3 & CS Series canisters) PN with the die-cast magnesium housing on. The die-cast magnesium housing puts more weight onto the nozzle, literally "digging" into the carpet.

I don't know whether to use the green HPO brush roller or the DriStar/DriLux "pile-lifting" (blue bristle or white bristle) brush roller. Sometimes I want to "pile lift" while vacing the carpets before shampooing with the Lux B8 or Kirby Classic 1CR or "steam cleaning" with the Rinsenvac or Hoover Steam Vac SpinScrub Classic; especially if I skipped a vacing session or want to pick up whatever the other vacuums didn't pick up.

 

[floor-a-matic]

"Pile lifter" brush roller

This is the brush roller that I'm thinking about using for my TriStar CXL. I know a similar brush roller was made for Lux style PN that will fit a TriStar A101 PN; but the bristles are blue instead of white like the TriStar CXL/DXL/EX-20 PN (shown here)

Would a brush roller like this one put more strain to the motor and/or ruin the carpet fibers? Does this brush roller really enhance grooming & dirt removal from carpet?[this post was last edited: 3/3/2013-01:32]

 

[kirbyultimateg]

Erik,
I recommend using the DriLux/DriStar only for shampooing carpets/rugs with Capture/Host. I recommend the HPO brushroll with green bristles and the Vibra Groomer III Disturbulator. I recommend using the Electrolux B8 with the naplifters or using the Kirby Classic with the carpet fluffer/floor polisher attachment.
Rob