My New Aerus Guardian Ultra

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danorob1

danorob1

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Hello All,

After going back and forth, and decided to hold out for a year until all the revisions to the Guardian Platinum are worked out.. i.e., power nozzle running with machine turned off... and what ever other little things come up during the first few months of real in home usage...

The Local Dealer made me a deal on a Guardian Ultra that I just could not refuse... The Machine, Extra HEPA Filter, 24 Bags, 24 clean sweep chips, and a Green HPO BrushRoll... I promised him I would never reveal the price, but all I can say is that I spent SLIGHTLY more then I would have spent going to Sears and Buying their top of the line canister at full price... The deal was too good to pass up....

I also wanted the lightest canister that they had to offer, and this was it... If you look you will notice that the most recent version of the Ultra now has the AERUS name on the back of the bumper in silver/grey... not in the middle like the version showed in Dan's set comparing the new to the old...

The dealer was showing me that under the HEPA filter, you can see that they added foam that wraps around the motor casing to make it a little more quiet... And I have to say that it is not all that loud.. Much Better then I expected...

Now a question for Dan - I know you have two of these - I have to assume since I know you purchase all off the high end models, Will the dusting brush from the Renny/guardian/Epic 8000 fit into the handle of this Ultra?
If it does, then I want to order a white Renny/Guardian/Epic 8000 dusting brush as I like the oval/rectangular brush a little better then the round version... Plus I hate that Adapter...
If it does not fit, I know I can buy the Black one from the Tri-Star since the hose and wands are the exact same thing, except in Black..

Here are a few pictures ( no that we do not all know what it looks like !!!)

Dan P.

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I took these pictures with my IPhone 4S - Any idea why they all posted sideways -
I loaded them from my 2012 IMAC Desktop Computer -
It this an Apple Issue, Or did I do something wrong ?
Dan P.
 
I think when you save them to the computer you need to rotate the uploaded picture 90 degrees. This happens with most iphones I think... nice vacuum though!
 
The strange part is that when I view them in Finder (Apple's version of file explorer) they are correct - It also does not happen with any of the other forums I post to, just this one... Strange...
Dan P.
 
Danorob1

Just wondering....that Green HPO brushroll, is this brushroll still being produced by Aerus? Or was it New Old Stock that your dealer had? I want to try one of these brushrolls in my Electrolux Grand Marquise's PN6.

Rob
 
Dan ,

Congratulations on your purchase . I love my Ultra at first I wasn`t sure I thought it was a glorified classic but I was soooo wrong . This machine really cleans my first bag I completley forgot about it and when the light finally came on it weighed a ton . It was full and the suction or airflow never diminished .

The dusting brush from the Tri Star will work since the grip is from Tri Star . I use the one from my MG3 and it works fine .

Very smart for waiting on the Platinum I am a little ticked that they are still improving it and should have waited but when I see a new machine I have to have it . I will be buying another Platinum just like I bought the improved Ultra .
I never thought it was a noisey vacuum I bought the first one as soon as it was introduced .

What part of NJ do you live ? I am close to Margate , Ventnor , Longport and AC .
I own a home in Egg Harbor Twp and an Ocean front condo in AC .
I see you like white carpets too it must be a Dan thing as I know 3 other Dans and we all have white carpets nice room .

Dan
 
To Rob -
No - The Green HPO Brushroll has not been made for years - He had one laying in the parts room, and was shocked that I even knew what it was, and that it existed - Hence why he gave it to me...

To Dan -
Thank you for confirming the Tri-Star Brush.. I will have to stop by Aerus tomorrow and see if Tony has an old Guardian Brush around that I can try - I do not think it will fit since it seems the Tri-Star/Ultra/Platinum wands are of a different design then the earlier plastic wands...

Like I said - I did want to get the Platinum, but the Power Nozzle issue bothered me - I usually get a new toy one or twice a year, so I will hang onto this for a year, then get the Platinum in the next 12-months...

I am in South Plainfield - Central Jersey - About Two hours time from my door to the Borgata via the parkway -

I will not even go into the White Rugs... They are still White after 20 years, but I can not tell you how many carpet cleaners I have worn out to keep them that way... That is why we purchased the Rug Doctor - Does a great job for only a little money...

Dan P.

Side Note for Fred - If you get a chance, can you tell me what I did that may have been against the rules as I noticed the Picture #5 was marked as Deleted by Webmaster...
 
Dan

The Aerus Guardian tools won`t work on the Ultra or Platinum .

I only use the Aerus Floor Pro to keep my White rugs clean it even removed red wine . Plus only using high end vacuums really help keep em clean .

I have to try and wait a bit when a new Vacuum is released instead of buying them as soon as they come out . My sales people have me on speed dial and I usually purchase as soon as I get a call .

Dan
 
Great machine you got Dan as with all the aerus lux products you can't go wrong. What I still love about aerus lux is the occasional service I do need or if I need supplies, they still come to my home..
 
Just as a note.....

The Lux Guardian Platinum I have came with a much stiffer brush roll than was in the Lux Guardian Ultra. It grooms my carpet much better than the Ultra one. Since the green one is now discontinued and I thought it was because the power nozzle motor could not handle the load....this may be a great replacement in the future.



PR-21
 
I have that brush roll in my PN6 which I use on my VacuFlo 766 central vacuum, it grooms my carpet beautifully, nice deep heavy lines in it, I am trying to locate another one for my upstairs power nozzle.
 
What's so amazing about the green brushroll?

I never saw that before. I've only seen the black chevron brush the Epic 6500SR I used had on it. Is it better than the newer double helix brush? The new double helix has almost double the number of bristles on it compared to the old chevron style. In any case, that vacuum looks far, far better in your pics than I thought it did. I really like it and I might do what you have and buy the Ultra and wait to see how they improve the Platinum. I'm glad they quieted it down some because I did think it was loud when I heard it on Utahprideboy's video. A very high pitched whine I couldn't stand. If it's quieter I could love it.
 
Danorob1

The green brushes bristle's are to aggressive for your Power nozzle motor in your Guardian ultra and will burn it out if you use it on rugs with any high pile! the P/N motor for the green brushes had a stronger field that was painted Green and was a 2 amp motor, the motor on the ultra is only a 1.2 amp motor so not as strong to turn the roller properly and will get hot fast!
 
HPO green brush roller

<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">Can I use it on a TriStar A101/EXL/MG/CS Series power nozzle?  The <span style="text-decoration: underline;">good</span> thing is, the TriStar A101 PN's housing is magnesium instead of plastic, which puts more weight on the nozzle; so it seems to "dig" deeper into the carpet.</span>


<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;"> </span>


<span style="font-family: verdana,geneva;">So far, I really like this design brush roller; is this the one funeraldirector Brian refers to as the "double helix" brush roller?</span>

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Green Roller & P/N Motors

Rob and Dan A.,


The Lux HPO brush roller assy. works fine on the current Lux Omniflo with the Johnson Electric 1.2 A motor. We only made the 2.1 motor with the green field and the heavy duty circuit breaker (black button vs red) for one year with the Lux 9000. Dirt removal improvement was around 20% with the significantly stiffer bristles and the increased RPM and torque of that motor over the one it replaced. The current Johnson is the OEM replacement for the 9000 nozzle with the 48011 roller and unless you guys have 2" shag will never miss the torque of the other motor. Looks can be deceiving in the case of the 350 suction motor vs the VM3 (Legacy) and the same is true with these P/N motors when it comes to performance. I spoke at length with an expert in ASTM testing with Lux nozzles and the three recent OEM roller brushes (he uses green) as well as one of the top guys at Lux corporate who took time to locate the last two NIB HPO rollers for me so this combination won't bake your power nozzle I promise. There is no difference in motor temperature either. SOME of the older nozzles won't spin this brush so a word of caution. My jadestone blue/taupe 1521 UltraClassic (last metal they made) with the lighted nozzle would not run this setup. My Guardian Platinum HPO nozzle delivers the same performance as the Miele SEB 236 in real-world ASTM testing. Not bad for a 30 year old power nozzle design.

As far as the Lux nozzle, there is a big difference in the beating action over the double helix design while the double helix reduces what I term "spatter effect." You guys can see the difference by putting some sand and fine wood chips/flour under a chair on a cut pile carpet that has a pad under it. The green HPO brush vibrates so much the particles 6-7 inches from the nozzle on the Platinum bounce off the carpet. I do like the fact there are more bristles on the double and the heavier "V" pattern. Lux went away from this HPO design due to the fact that the stiffer the roller, the more degradation in carpet fibers when examined with an electron microscope.

The problem with the Omniflo nozzle and Consumer Reports testing is threefold. First the bristles of the current double helix are soft compared to the Top-Rated machines. Second they do not extend far enough below the base plate. Think the Lux upright pushes easier with a new roller? It does. Measure the distance below the plate on the Guardian Upright compared to a Legacy power nozzle and it has about twice the bristle on the carpet since it sits lower in the nozzle base. This compensated for the smaller suction motor in the DII. My Platinum hates the deep ridges in my LL Bean MudHog door mat because the bristles are not long enough. Lastly the opening around the brush roller dissipates the air flow too much. Smaller opening around the bristles means better soil removal. I know they are coming out with a new nozzle and hopefully will be a little smaller like the Sebo ET1 which is 12" instead of 15."

While ASTM testing procedures show good performance, Mrs. Jones will be influenced by CR's flawed testing methodology so hopefully the new nozzle addresses these issues on what has been one of the most durable power nozzles ever made.


Brian
 
Holy cow funeraldirector!

Were you an engineer for Electrolux? You sure seem to know the inner workings like an engineer. I was reading an Aerus salesman talking about Consumer Reports' testing and he blamed the poorer showing of some high-end models primarily on the talcum powder stopping up the bags (particularly Aerus' bags) and shutting them off too soon. He says the customer seeing large amounts of dirt in the bag usually convinced the potential customer it was a good machine. Once I read a CR issue about an Electrolux 6500SR (Legacy today) and they even stated it shut off before the carpet test was complete. They either didn't adjust the automatic control or it still couldn't handle it. Nowadays, you can't adjust the automatic shut-off in any way. It's preset to "normal" dirt; shutting off at 20% suction decline.
 
Brush Rollers

Utahprideboy,


Dan I missed the info in your post about the smoked motor. Caution is definitely a good thing when making this change and I don't blame you for going back to the double helix. I would not be surprised if cost was a motivating factor in Lux eliminating the larger motor and replacing it with the 1.2 amp unit in the newer nozzles and the 9000's with green when they fail. Lets see what they offer in the new upright. it's definitely time for a nozzle upgrade.


Brian
 
Testing

Electromatik,


I think the CR testing is flawed across the board and definitely hurts the higher filtration units the most. Unfortunately they need to perform better in those tests because lots of people read that magazine or have someone read it to them, and make purchase decisions based on their ratings.

I am not an engineer but have made numerous suggestions over the years that actually went into production in Bristol. The Lux upright with the full-sized VM3 motor and the "V" bulkhead was one of those ideas. I have pushed their head engineer since 2003 to introduce a more powerful machine with the stainless skin. Truth be told I prefer the smell of diesel in the morning to a dirt digging demo.

Brian
 

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