super-sweeper
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Reply #76,
You beat me to it!
You beat me to it!
My DC41 MK2. I must be mad!
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sptyks
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Oliveoiltinfoil said:
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"Also, surely a dirt fan vacuum would not be affected by how much dirt is in the bag, considering nothing should be restricting the airflow? If it was clean air and the bag was half full, maybe."
It does not matter if the vacumm is Direct Air or Indirect air, you still lose airflow as the bag fills! The Kirby in your video had an old style paper bag which was filled nearly to the Full Line. Had this Kirby been fitted with a brand new cloth HEPA bag which not only has much better airflow and filtration than paper, it surly would have left much less dirt for that Dyson to pick up.
And it IS true that: "He who vacuums last always wins!"
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"Also, surely a dirt fan vacuum would not be affected by how much dirt is in the bag, considering nothing should be restricting the airflow? If it was clean air and the bag was half full, maybe."
It does not matter if the vacumm is Direct Air or Indirect air, you still lose airflow as the bag fills! The Kirby in your video had an old style paper bag which was filled nearly to the Full Line. Had this Kirby been fitted with a brand new cloth HEPA bag which not only has much better airflow and filtration than paper, it surly would have left much less dirt for that Dyson to pick up.
And it IS true that: "He who vacuums last always wins!"
oliveoiltinfoil
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Well be that as it may, I am still very happy with this cleaner. My mother has just bought one as well as it is still on offer at argos for £320. This is weird because online, it says that £320 is the price with a trade-in discount, yet it says nothing about taking an old vacuum to the argos, and when I paid for both of them, no mention of it either. Surely that isn't right? Obviously I don't care as I have no vacuum I want to trade in. Are argos deliberately being slack over this promotion ?
She missed her Dyson when she got her Sebo a few years back. This really is a stellar performing vacuum, and really very easy to use. I love the quick-release hose. So much easier and quicker to use attachments than normal uprights. Also the dusting brush is really nicely shaped and the bristles are soft enough to use on my delicate ornaments without scratching them.
And here is something rather brilliant. When I contacted Dyson to register my mothers Dyson, because I am a wonderful son, I bought the dyson for her, much to her appreciation, the Dyson customer service gent noticed that I obviously have two registered in my name, so they are sending me a DC58 handheld, as a free gift. I know. I don't know if he was being serious at firs but this morning I received an email from Dyson saying they have dispatched "my order". I am lost for words. That is what is called customer service.
When it comes I will hopefully being doing a thread about it.
She missed her Dyson when she got her Sebo a few years back. This really is a stellar performing vacuum, and really very easy to use. I love the quick-release hose. So much easier and quicker to use attachments than normal uprights. Also the dusting brush is really nicely shaped and the bristles are soft enough to use on my delicate ornaments without scratching them.
And here is something rather brilliant. When I contacted Dyson to register my mothers Dyson, because I am a wonderful son, I bought the dyson for her, much to her appreciation, the Dyson customer service gent noticed that I obviously have two registered in my name, so they are sending me a DC58 handheld, as a free gift. I know. I don't know if he was being serious at firs but this morning I received an email from Dyson saying they have dispatched "my order". I am lost for words. That is what is called customer service.
When it comes I will hopefully being doing a thread about it.
I am also speechless as to how amazing that is.simtan44
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Just bought one direct from Dyson, again at £320 with "trade-in", but nothing required to send back. If you check the T&Cs it even says one option is to take your old cleaner to the tip yourself.
I also got to choose three extras, so I'm getting a soft dusting brush, a flexi-crevice tool and some Dysol.
I also got to choose three extras, so I'm getting a soft dusting brush, a flexi-crevice tool and some Dysol.
oliveoiltinfoil
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Congratulations SIMTAN44, you will love it. Remember to sue the front rubber lip properly, I can see a lot of people not knowing how to use it, or not using it properly. It is a lovely vacuum cleaner.
super-sweeper
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Wow, that's grand! If only the build quality of their vacuums matched the quality of their customer service! That was kind to send your mother a Dyson, and even kinder for Dyson to send-out a handheld model for free! But then again, at the price you just spent for 2 Dysons,I hope they would send you something!
Just want to add something...Fantom had that quick-release handle a full year before Dyson hit Britain...
Just want to add something...Fantom had that quick-release handle a full year before Dyson hit Britain...
super-sweeper
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James sold no patents, he licensed them out to Fantom. I would've loved for him to have had sold the patents, Fantom would still be around if he did!
Super sweeper why do you have to say snidey comments against dyson can you please stop as I find all your comments very offensive. The build quality does match the customer service as if you would read part of the review he says the reason they make machines The machines flexible is it can except more forced with not breaking compare to other plastics it might feel cheap but is anything but that
super-sweeper
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Let's not start another war, I've told you this before an I'll say it again. The Vectron (the 1980s Thunder equivalent) was designed in 1983. Again, before a Dyson anything was on the market. This is a thread about a member's new Dyson, not about who came first! I'm not even sure if the Cyclon had a the removable handle, I'll look into that!
oliveoiltinfoil
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Yeah and look what happened to Fantom 
I am sorry but there is a lot of hate regarding Dyson and I am starting to struggle to see why. At any given opportunity, a lot of members will slag dyson off when its not needed. I have held previous misconceptions about dysons, but speaking with an open mind, most of them are going. They seem a very reputable company. A lot of people can not say that about Kirby, and their sales tactics, although that isn't to do with the company itself obviously.
Their build quality is actually very good upon closer inspection. Torque screws are used which in my experience are better than standard Philips ones as they don't slips. Rubber sleeves around the hoses, thick rubber seals around the bins, lids and pipes and thick cables, it feels a quality product. The handle is very flexible, as is most of the body on the dyson, but I can only imagine that is done deliberately, so it is forgiving in the event of a drop. If it was solid, something is more likely to brake. Look at why cars crumple up in crashes.
Some videos and picture I have taken which helps prove my point. The cable one you could call negligible, but there is a difference, noticeable especially when you feel them. The bottom one is the dyson, the top is the Sebo Felix.
http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCWkLjF2gBM
I am sorry but there is a lot of hate regarding Dyson and I am starting to struggle to see why. At any given opportunity, a lot of members will slag dyson off when its not needed. I have held previous misconceptions about dysons, but speaking with an open mind, most of them are going. They seem a very reputable company. A lot of people can not say that about Kirby, and their sales tactics, although that isn't to do with the company itself obviously.
Their build quality is actually very good upon closer inspection. Torque screws are used which in my experience are better than standard Philips ones as they don't slips. Rubber sleeves around the hoses, thick rubber seals around the bins, lids and pipes and thick cables, it feels a quality product. The handle is very flexible, as is most of the body on the dyson, but I can only imagine that is done deliberately, so it is forgiving in the event of a drop. If it was solid, something is more likely to brake. Look at why cars crumple up in crashes.
Some videos and picture I have taken which helps prove my point. The cable one you could call negligible, but there is a difference, noticeable especially when you feel them. The bottom one is the dyson, the top is the Sebo Felix.
http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCWkLjF2gBM
super-sweeper
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I didn't mean to 'slag off Dyson',I was just informing you that the lovely little quick-release was a Fantom design, it's like me saying Rainbow had the clear bin before Dyson or Fantom, or if I said that Airway had the disposable bag before Hoover.
Hey, Fantom would still be here if Dyson didn't throw a fit when Fantom didn't want to use his MEMA filters!
Torgue is DEFINITELY better than Phillips! But it doesn't matter what screws they use, the last thing you want to do is take that Dyson apart! They're a nightmare to resemble! I could resemble a Convertible blindfolded, I'd need an engineering degree to walk within 5 feet of that Dyson!
Bending isn't always great, it makes the vacuum simply feel cheap. A solid grip and wand makes the vacuum feel more robust and of a higher quality, or at-least in my opinion.
Hey, Fantom would still be here if Dyson didn't throw a fit when Fantom didn't want to use his MEMA filters!
Torgue is DEFINITELY better than Phillips! But it doesn't matter what screws they use, the last thing you want to do is take that Dyson apart! They're a nightmare to resemble! I could resemble a Convertible blindfolded, I'd need an engineering degree to walk within 5 feet of that Dyson!
Bending isn't always great, it makes the vacuum simply feel cheap. A solid grip and wand makes the vacuum feel more robust and of a higher quality, or at-least in my opinion.
Super sweeper
you're the one that brought it up and the cyclone was out before the vectron and the cyclone does have a removable handle The cyclones is like a prototype version of the Dyson DC01 and oliveoiltinfoil so glad you're here and someone else appreciates Dyson i don't like how people can comment on the reliability even know that actually never had one of have only have the old models and I forgot to say dyson is using the old Panasonic motor design what they used to have in some of the old DC 05 .the motors literally last forever it's great that doing this as I never really liked the YDK motors I had a good lifespan but they wasn't the best
you're the one that brought it up and the cyclone was out before the vectron and the cyclone does have a removable handle The cyclones is like a prototype version of the Dyson DC01 and oliveoiltinfoil so glad you're here and someone else appreciates Dyson i don't like how people can comment on the reliability even know that actually never had one of have only have the old models and I forgot to say dyson is using the old Panasonic motor design what they used to have in some of the old DC 05 .the motors literally last forever it's great that doing this as I never really liked the YDK motors I had a good lifespan but they wasn't the best
oliveoiltinfoil
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There is a difference between perception and reality. The dyson doesn't feel terribly flimsy in the hand. Parts of the sebo feel cheap and tacky. The hose and cable and especially the variable power control. All in all though, the sebo is a very well built vacuum.
I disagree. Look at what I can in the ball, the dyson is no more complicated than it should be. It benefits no one if the product is needlessly complex to build as you can imagine.
I disagree. Look at what I can in the ball, the dyson is no more complicated than it should be. It benefits no one if the product is needlessly complex to build as you can imagine.
super-sweeper
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I've had the DC25 before, don't tell me I haven't had any of the newer models. I got it in when somebody's husband disassembled it and couldn't resemble it, it was a pain to get it back together! I guess I'm used to solid vacuums that handle like barges, to each their own!
ALL I said was the quick-release handle was a Fantom design, you're the one who went off into things I never talked about, like who had the cyclone first. James did not invent cyclonic technology, but rather built it into a vacuum. It wasn't a bad idea! At what point in this thread did I say the Dyson was unreliable?
Olive guy-I hope the Dyson wouldn't be flimsy at the price you paid for them!
Parts of a quality vacuum can always fell cheap, sometimes they can cripple the vacuum's existence.look at Bison, it was a solid-metal tank! But it was all ruined by the cheap, plastic belt drive! Even the mighty Kirby can fall victim to cheap parts, namely when you break the Finger of the Magic-Finger belt lifter! I have to be careful at times, it never bends thankfully, but at times it feels as if it could snap under the pressure of a fresh rubber belt!
ALL I said was the quick-release handle was a Fantom design, you're the one who went off into things I never talked about, like who had the cyclone first. James did not invent cyclonic technology, but rather built it into a vacuum. It wasn't a bad idea! At what point in this thread did I say the Dyson was unreliable?
Olive guy-I hope the Dyson wouldn't be flimsy at the price you paid for them!
Parts of a quality vacuum can always fell cheap, sometimes they can cripple the vacuum's existence.look at Bison, it was a solid-metal tank! But it was all ruined by the cheap, plastic belt drive! Even the mighty Kirby can fall victim to cheap parts, namely when you break the Finger of the Magic-Finger belt lifter! I have to be careful at times, it never bends thankfully, but at times it feels as if it could snap under the pressure of a fresh rubber belt!
super-sweeper
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Oh, you mean the CYCLON! Even I know the Cyclon 1000 has no E!
Thanks for clearing up the handle issue, but from what I know, the Cyclon was out in 1986, a full 3 years after Vectron. Now,I will gladly stand corrected if I, you or anyone here can provide proper dates!
Thanks for clearing up the handle issue, but from what I know, the Cyclon was out in 1986, a full 3 years after Vectron. Now,I will gladly stand corrected if I, you or anyone here can provide proper dates!
oliveoiltinfoil
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I actually wanted to ask someone about that - the motors. Are most of the Dyson motors made by Panasonic? I know Dyson went through a phase of using Samsung ones, but I don't think that lasted long. The only in-house made motors by dyson are the digital ones, which I can see being used in corded applications, if they haven't already, but I understand they must be very expensive to make.
The motor in this remember is 700 watt, so would it still be made by Panasonic ?
The motor in this remember is 700 watt, so would it still be made by Panasonic ?
