My DC41 MK2. I must be mad!

[cb123]

Alex, your a mighty big man to let that kind of insolence slide! Why, I would've said, "Kirby has a hundred year track record behind it, and James Kirby never changed his mind." You know to come to think about it, Why should he...perfect is as perfect does.

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Here is the second video

 

[blakaeg]

super sweeper,

I have an 8 yr old DC16 handheld that had issues with the batteries and now the DC35 cordless. It had some silly issue with shutting off after 3 mins use and had to keep pressing the trigger to use it. Dyson sent new battery and it works fine but there is still an issue. Now without warning me, its shutting off. I charge the battery for 5 mins for example and then press the trigger, still no motor, but the battery light then flashes. Upon checking, it seems that battery issues occur regularly. I will ask for a new motor unit to be sent soon. So I doubt a full size cordless Dyson would be a reliable machine to depend on fully. I wonder how the Hoover and Vax Air Cordless models are doing & if the batteries are reliable. Dyson customer service is first class so I can forgive any issues I've had with them as they really have put themselves out with me when I complained.

 

[madaboutsebo]

Great video oliveoiltinfoil, powerful suction you can see it lift the carpet as you try to pull the nozzle up from the carpet. Have to say the brush bar and brush bar motor sound very quieter compared to previous models. I take it the rubber front seal was down?

 

[super-sweeper]

Batteries age, and lose power over time. However, this makes Dyson money over time, as instead of buying bags, you will now be paying for replacement batteries. Corded vacuums can never lose power, unlike their battery-powered counterparts. Dyson's commercials irritate me, 'remember the hassle of vacuuming before the (whatever that Digital Slim is called)?', he contradicts his older models, and makes the cordless Dyson seem like this revolution, when corded models both out-clean and out-last his vacuum.  What are you going to do when you have company over in 17 minutes, and the Digital Slim has no battery left on it? 

 


I just had an idea, wouldn't it be cool to have the option of battery, but with a detachable cord for in the event of a failure? Like on the Hoover Concept II, the detectable cord, not the battery! 

My GE VHS camcorder has this setup, it's divine!

 

[daknx1994]

Alex, that is just what Dyson does. He wants you to buy his latest and greatest so he will of course contradict himself and without saying it, make his old machines look terrible. He has done this with every model of Dyson that he has come out with. Just like how he claims his cyclone system is the best and that it never loses suction and you never have to buy a bag. Now with the Cinetic, he makes the claim of never having to buy a bag or how he says the Cinetic does not rely on filters...Again contradicting himself. The man is a true marketing genius when you stop and think about it.  

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Completely disagree. How is saying having no filters contradicting of saying his previous vacuums also never loose suction? He has never outright said "this new model is amazing the old models are inferior". That my friend is the world of business, innovation and moving forward. The whole point of a new model of anything, be it a vacuum, car or phone is that it is better in some way to the older ones. Dyson compares his new machines to existing rivals, usually never to his own machines, no matter how old they are.

 

[cb123]

The whole point of business is often clouded by deception, much like politics...it's an art!

 

 

[sebo_fan]

I agree Oli - well thought out response there at No. 85

A more recent example of another brand that springs to mind and who appear to have totally contradicted themselves are Oreck. For years they pushed and promoted the idea that bagged vacs were always the way; then one day as the company were just about to go under, they pop out a bagless full size upright vacuum cleaner.

So much for their previous mantra. Again it is down to marketing and sales. There is no brand that is perfect for their promises when it comes down to actual ownership. Some come close though.

 

[super-sweeper]

Oreck did contradict themselves. Although bags are best, the market was changing. If it wasn't for Big Lots, the infomercials, the floor care centers and word of mouth, nobody would know what an Oreck is. People barely know what bags are, now, at-least Oreck's bagless is decent, but expensive.


 


I didn't say a thing about filters. His older models used wheels, his current models still use cords, the digital slim commercial shows both as being a giant hassle, when in reality it's a fool-proof design.

 

[daknx1994]

Without marketing you do not have business. Like Alex mentioned if it was not for the infomercials, there would be no Oreck. Oreck truly did contradict themselves. You can not just make a product and put it out there to be sold. You can try and might be successful. In a sense yes Dyson have contradicted themselves. Of course he is not going to flat out and say that his old models were garbage. Your average consumer usually does not take more than a minute, if that to truly pay attention to a commercial, to most people they see the newest thing and think they now have to have it.  So when Dyson says that his new model does not rely on filters, or you never have to worry about the hassle of a cord, your AVERAGE consumer will think that now they need this new filter-less vacuum, or the Dyson Digital Slim. I see this all the time at work. It never fails.

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

I don't really care to be honest. I do not see Dyson contradicting themselves about any of their products. He/they are a people who are very proud of their products, regardless of their age. They are nice products. Obviously their focus is on bagless machines, and I find theirs to be the best in terms of everything - ease of use, performance and quality. They work for me.

 

[super-sweeper]

They might work for you, but defiantly not for people who know what genuine quality truly is! 

 


I can't blame Dyson for being proud. He's revolutionized the vacuum industry, without him we could still be using Elites and Eureka uprights.I too would be proud, but I wouldn't stand behind a vacuum that flexes itself in use. Now,I of course am by no means James Dyson, and while I'm sure he's a good man, he doesn't seem to care what his machine does as long as the cash keeps flowing?

 

[sebo_fan]

But, genuine quality - what is that? What you might think is genuine quality is different to others.

Would I slate Kirby for having a poor zip on their soft outer dust bag when it breaks and then slate it as being poor quality? No. Same with an old vintage Hoover. Some members do though. That's their right. Everyone's opinion about "quality" whether it is genuine or not, is different and it comes down to a different number of factors.

Dyson, in my mind isn't doing anything different in terms of marketing and market approach. TTI Hoover and Eureka might not mention that their latest and greatest is better than the old, but Hoover in particular are always comparing "the previous Windtunnel" on pick up tests with their latest. Pity the owner who might actually see the same model they own being advertised as being poorer on pick up.

As a consumer, you believe what you want to believe - but when it comes to actual ownership, surprises of course often happen. But you can't offer an opinion from a previous model and tag it to the new one - unless of course, you happen to own that new product.

Good or bad.

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

I really am getting rather sick and tired of your replies super sweeper, not because of what you are saying, but how you are saying it, thinking you know better than everyone else. You don't know me from adam. You don't know where I have been, what I am doing or what I have done. You think I don't know what "genuine quality" is?

Quality is very subjective and it depends on who you ask. Some people think something that simply looks nice is good quality. For me, quality is durability, if something breaks, falls off or not. Also, the use of materials and how evenly and tight the panel gaps are.

The dyson is a quality product, nicely finished and everything feels durable. It does not flex when its in use. The only time the handle flexes is when the telescopic pole is not inserted as this is a strong part and helps give the handle its strength. Remember dyson, like a lot of vacuum and even car manufactures these days, are having to juggle between durability and weight saving, which also means using the fewest materials. Looking at those crash test of the dyson, I am very confident this is going to stand up. They cant put videos like that up if their vacuums are absolute crap now can they. False advertising.

 

[parwaz786]

Another thing I don't realise is why people target Dyso to pick on, I mean there are so many worse vacuums! Like the modern Vax machines. The filters get dirty quickly and they copied Dyson, a Dyson thought of the ideas and other brands get credit. Why? I think Dyson deserves the praise, and personally, I intend to get a DC41 Mk2 because Dyson are taking what they learn from older machines into an improved product
What Vax done;
Vax 121 was theirs, okay.
Then they copied Dyson
Vax turbo force with the bagless tech like dyson
Vax Mach air with cyclones like Cyson
Vax air 3 with steering like a Dyson
Oh my God, Dyson always comes up with these creative ideas and they get copied! Hoover (the most successful company) even laughed at the DC01, but James never gave up.mNow what is he today? One of Britains richest men

 

[super-sweeper]

True, everyone has a different view on what is and isn't quality, I'll give you that! 

 


I definitely do not know better than everyone else, I have many things to learn in life! In all honesty, I'm intrigued by Dyson, it would be a quality cleaner in my mind if it didn't flex while in use! The brush seems very aggressive and efficient, but 50 cyclones are not necessary. If I ever happen upon one, I'll pick it up and give an honest opinion based off my own knowledge, and not the knowledge of others as i am currently doing.


 


Parwaz, You're absolutely right, we have many things to thank Dyson for! most of all, Cyclonic technology. in the early days, Dyson licensed this (Such as Fantom), however, there were others that stole it (But still made a decent vacuum, I'm of course referring to the Amway ClearTrak). He has "Invented" the ball, and i only say "invented" because it is similar in function to other designs, but still a fresh concept (IE:functions, twists and moves in the same way as Kirby floor-tools have done since the 1950s, but James has taken this above and beyond Kirby's attachment set could ever accomplish).  

 

[daknx1994]

You know I am just trying to state how business works and that is fine that you "do not care", I could care less how Dyson market their product I was just pointing out how their commercials look to me and the average customer. This thread has been nothing but arguing and bickering and it is just pointless. VacuumLand is now a place where if you dare say one thing wrong about a brand and you are shunned. It kills me because I am always afraid to post because of the negative comments that can arise. It also seems like quite a few people on here has this mindset of "It's either my way or the highway". I can not see why we, as a vacuum enthusiast community just learn to agree to disagree. Is it that dang hard? 

 

[sebo_fan]

"...We have many things to thank Dyson for, like cyclonic technology...."

Whoops I'm afraid not - it was in America that one of the first applications of "cyclonic" vacs and technics existed... here's an except from a book, "The Vacuum Cleaner, A History," by Carroll Gantz

Parwaz - People pick on Dyson because of the price and the constant advertising, not helped by constant news reports of Dyson taking several brands to court over claims. Frankly I dont think Dyson have done themselves any favours with court action. Quite happy to frit money away without thinking about the consequences.

Vax may well have copied Dyson but they weren't alone - at least their vacuums are not as highly priced.

 

[super-sweeper]

wow, I can't believe i just gave Dyson credit for that, I'm usually the one that points out Filter-Queen and Rainbow had it before Dyson was a sparkle in his daddy's eye!