More airflow tests.

[vaclab]

Les, Where Are You Getting Your Figures?

My Sentria II weights 23 lbs. and older G-series machines weigh 24 lbs. So if you have a newer Kirby, it's only 3 lbs. heavier than a 10 Amp Royal. I have two Heritage II Legends and they both weigh 19 lbs.

Bill

 

[sptyks]

My 2 cents...

I own both, a late model 2011 Kirby Sentria with all of the improvements made to the Sentria II, and a 2008 10 Amp Royal Everlast 8300.


 


I did various types of fine dirt and sand pick up tests on my medium pile living room carpet using these two machines. I used 1/4 cup of dirt, sand and coffee grounds which I rubbed into the carpet. I used my Kirby G3 with Dirt Meter to measure results.


 


I will have to say that The Royal Everlast left visibly less dirt, sand and coffee on the Dirt Meter pads meaning that it picked up more than the Sentria did.


 


 

 

[blackheart]

Legend II

Hmm I did replace the speed switch lever it runs at about 550 watts with the nozzle on removing the nozzle and manually depressing the switch it ran at about 550 on low and 750 on high Re-testing it confirming that it is indeed on low I got a figure of 129.48. Huh it must have really been stuck on high....How I managed to not notice this before is beyond me, I grew up with this vacuum.

Either way this makes the Royal the machine with the strongest nozzle flow Beating out the Eureka 4058 (6.5 amp) by 1.05 CFM

 

[lesinutah]

Weight

I have had classic, classic omega, classic ic 3 tradition heritage heritage 2 heritage 2 legend, g3 g4 g6 g diamond old emptor sentria new emotor sentria, royal 880 royal 1030z. I also have diamind. I have everything for avalir just no body.
Old kirbys 2 505s 598 3 510 2 560 561 2 562 a s7 4 d50 6 d80s. I have a riccar supralite 4 sanitare s677. I have a royal ry4001, shark navigator.
Handvacs pa geier model 81, Douglas super bee, kirby vacuette legend w series, roal prince 591,
I can double check my sentria buand g6 but with nozzle i swar it was 32 to 34 and omega thru legend 2 was 23 to 24 lbs. G series has transmission and i believe it wS 32 lbs. Ill doublr check i have no 16 inch nozxle kirbys prior to g se. Ill double check weight and post. I got weights from mailing quite a few machines but ill let you know my numbers.
Les

 

[lesinutah]

Weight

Royal 880 14lbs
Riccar rsl4 8.8lbs
Sanitaire 16lbs
505 14lbs
560 15 lbs
D80 16lbs
G6 23
Sentria 24lbs
If i remember classic thru t2l2 were 19 to 21 lbs. 32lb sentria is all attachments hose shampooer etc. My bad on that. But those are the weights i got.
Les

 

[lesinutah]

Retest

I don't see need to retest. The vacuum has high speed for hose. You want true test results not running on high wouldnt be true test.
Have you done tests on everlast. I hear last american made non commmercial royal.
I have to watch a video on setup. Ive found anamometers and baird meters. Just rest of setup. I seen on vaclabs sentria 2 test i need to rewstch it. I wonder what my d80 would do. If I were a betting man id say low 100. I also believe royal 880 5.5 amp motor and d80 5. 5 amp motor are almost identical. I have a bag assembly for 505 to d80 run hepa bag improves airflow. I just need to get some tools.
Les

 

[lesinutah]

Hi

I was making a point kirby have smaller motor and weigh more. They have better design than lighter more powerful royal. Thats the point i was getting at. I love royal and kirby vacuums i like my d80 the most and my royal 880. Little differences but all Metal american upright at its best.

 

[mike811]

Dyson DC40 mkII measurements

Nothing really surprising in the airflow, but power usage is totally different than the label says. It only uses around 800 watts. Label says 1100 watts!

 

[mike811]

Commercial Kärcher upright.
Same as the Sebo BS36 and Windsor Versamatic

Quite good results for this big and heavy 2-motor upright

 

[blackheart]

Huh....

That Karcher did better than expected, nearly as well as the Felix of course it has a wider nozzle so the flow is distributed across a wider area. I also feel like the Felix's brushroll is more effective.

I'd assume it's performance to be similar to the Windsor Versamatic Plus that we use at work.

 

[mike811]

I also feel that the Felix is better. However optional very stiff brushstrip (red) for the Kärcher might improve it. Cleaning head just feels too big for the airflow what it has.
Kärcher should be pretty much the same as Versamatic. Both are technically Sebo BS36 with different outside design.

 

[mike811]

Philips Performer Pro

One of the last vacuums from the "crazy days" of huge power usage in the EU.
Result was still more than I expected.

 

[mike811]

For classic Electrolux canister fans my Lux Royal D790 measurements.

I was very happy to the results

 

[blackheart]

Bummer

I have a soft spot for 90s dirt devils but the nozzle performance on this is laughably bad. It's body to base connection is very much like a direct air machine so its very poorly sealed resulting in getting no pressure at the base as it all just leaks around the joints. I did include the "edge" cleaner as part of it's cleaning path it's airflow density would be just slightly better had I not but *shrugs*

 

[captainslow]

Miele with ET1 (post #89)

Hi Mike, would like to know how did you make the ET1 run with the straight suction Miele?

 

[mike811]

Miele with ET1

I made video about it. Just be very careful when connecting those Miele wires. You can break the circuit board if wrong wires are connected.

 

[captainslow]

Miele with ET1

Thanks for sharing Mike. I guess the mods needed is too technical for me, and I wouldn't be keen on drilling a Miele even though I have two now. Would be cool if there was a Miele to Sebo powerhead adapter thingy that could just connect the ET1 to a Miele electro wand, since the Uniq has the plug connection available.

The cost of an SEB236 is close to the price I paid for my Felix. Getting an electro wand+hose won't be cheap, but to get it plus that adapter which doesn't exist would be wayyy cheaper than getting an electro set (wand+hose+PH).