Miele bag leakage ??

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So I cleaned the machine out and put a new bag in , 2 days later small amount of dust in the bag compartment.! very frustrating as I really like this vacuum and wanted to sell it in my shop but I won't if it has this problem.


 


BTW we have 11 cats 3 dogs 2 indisde bunny's , a large house with every carpet from shagg to berber and tiles and wood flooring.


 


My wife and I also have two sons aged 7 &9 so if a vacuum survives our house hold its a good one.


 


I vacuum about 3 times a day as I can't handle pet hair on any thing. we also run our business from home
 
Miele bags

My gets a little dust . And ive seen old tank luxs do that and even my old rainbow i saw dust were the filter was. You know ur vacuum seals up when the vacuum is on so theres no leakage! And everything goes the sealed hepa so i wouldnt worry abouy it. Im not with my miele . I think the reason that does. Happen on luxs abd kirby becuase they the air moving more in side the bag unlike miele , hooverand kenmores! I think ive seen my granmother old kirby have a lot a dust in outer bag becuase there owners be for her didnt use a bag in it. And the lux ive seen with grem grabber.
 
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Also you have know that no vacuum is perfect not even a rainbow i learned that my self. If you dont like the you should buy a kirby
 
Rainbows

First off I do like rainbows but I again as with a Kirby do not think there cost is justified. There owners swear up and down that all the dirt stays in the water & I must say I do get  a Kick out of showing them how dirty the fans are when they bring them in.


 
 
If your looking for a reliable bagged upright to sell in your shop have you tried sebo?

I'm not sure if the uprights use the hepa bag material, I know the canisters do so I guess it's a matter of time before they use them in there uprights. (sebo that is)

Are hyclean bags supposed to maintain more airflow and airclean supposed to be better at retaining dust? Just a guess.. I'm still stuck on this one!

I'm sticking with dyson!! :D
 
I have looked at sebo but they are very expensive in SA and there spares are even worse. I just replaced the hose on an x4 for a client at the equalvilent of $ 70.00. thats insane. 


 


Dysons will always be a bigger seller for me than bagged vacuums, Say what you want customers just don't want bags. the first thing that we get asked when a customer wants a new vacuum is is it bag less I do not want bags any more. I can see why to at just over $20 for a pack of miele bags here customers just do not want that expense any more
 
Miele Bag Leakage

Gareth,


I can sure agree with you to a point. I had a good friend who owned a vac repair shop. I spent several days at his shop and watched what the customers would bring in for repair. This guy was very well versed on Dyson and Rainbows. What we saw time after time after time was owners who were bringing in neglected or abused Dysons and Rainbows. The Dysons had been filled way past capacity,filters not cleaned or washed and owners who had not performed the simple task of even emptying their Rainbow basin or had cleaned WAY too long with one filling and of course as the water evaporated the dust went into the fans of the machines.


The machines I have seen with clean fans after years of use have been  Air-Way,Filter Queen,Rainbow. Of course this is based on the owner taking care of the machine.  My fans are not dirty BUT I always changed the water every 30 minutes and I ALWAYS dumped my Dyson bin and washed the filters.


I bet you see it all with customers every day. I will never understand why a customer will pay $500.00 for a Dyson and then neglect the simple care it takes for a long life.   It will be interesting to see if the Dyson's last 20-30 years as so many of the old Rainbows. I appreciate all the information you have sharred with the forum!


 
 
Well I have a 1994 dyson dc01 here still working like new, customer just wanted something newer.


A mate of mine in the UK has a dyson shop and he swears by the dc01 , builit proof so was the dc04. The trouble with the newer ones is not the machines but the customers themselves. We even get kirby's in were the bag is so full the handle won't stand upright any more and then come the sentince I love ," its not sucking any more" I get the same thing with bagless vacuums and you can see the container is full to the top but these days people are to lazy to just stop and look. 


 


We do guarantee work on Electrolux machines ( you guys call them Eureka) some really good machines of late but the customers bring them back " not working" and all that is wrong is the belt has snapped. they even get a free one with the machine but are to lazy to fit it.


 


My rant over 


Its early Monday morning here so off to the shop now to see some more careless clients
 
The problem is today's society is that most people live disposable lives, they buy something, use and abuse it, complaining it doesn't work, then buy a replacement and do the same, never learning the error of their ways, from a simple tin opener to a car, people are just blissfully unaware that simple maintenance is required, be it sharpening a blade, emptying a bin/bag, changing the oil, or even just plugging it in for some!!! :S

But, that's where people like us come in, we take the things in and fix them up and either keep them for ourselves to play with, or sell them on (or even back to the people who threw it out!!! :P ), but that's what separates the smarter people from the, well, "less than smart" people... :P

I do believe that manufacturing has gotten lazy in the past couple of decades though, aswell as making things so they cannot be repaired economically, which doesn't help matters, so combine the two and it's just a nightmare!!! :S
 
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I could not imagine somebody putting a Rainbow in a cupboard or closet without emptying the pan. After a few days it would stink up the house!
 
I don't think it's a case of imagining it, it's a case of understanding why people do it, if that's even possible to understand... :S
 
Miele with bag

Hi I would like to comment on the issue at hand, I currently have two Miele's both with hepa filters and one being a cat and dog canister.

I have not seen that kind of dust in either one of the two and can only go so far as to say they are incredible machines. Have not tried the Dyson but it is just a bit Star warsy in design for my liking, Our Miele really cleans good. We had a AEG Professional, and it was a good machine but that bag kept on bursting after only a few usages. So eventually I took it to my office and there it just could not handle things like paperclips and staples that was in the carpet and eventually ended up with a burnt out motor. So I am very interested to see that the bag could not handle the building dust.

Anyway I still think it is a very good cleaner, from our experience.

Hope you will be able to sort it out.

Cheers
 
Cool another SA guy.


 


I have one of those Electrolux proffesionals and my one has worked rather well.


The trouble with the canister is that it doesn't clean as well as the upright. I have the cat& dog canister as well and its bag never looked like this , all I can put it down to it the fact that the upright cleans better as it has a proper brush roll and not an air driven one. If I vacuum with my canister and them go over the area with my Dyson dc27 the Dyson pulls up allot of dirt that the miele left behind, however vacuum with the upright miele and them the Dyson and there is hardly any thing picked up
 
How old are your cat & dog canisters? This dust problem only seems to effect the dog & cat canisters that are older than two years old.
 
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so if they bag leaks a little nothing gonna be perfect.
ot even a rainbow is . Dont you remember is a sealed system .your filter is gonna trap every thing that rainbow cant ! or a kirby for that matter! i wouldnt worry.
 
My S316i is a "Cat & Dog" model (I've yet to work it out, my cats hate it, so it's not very cat friendly!!), but as I've mentioned before I use generic "Elec-True-Part" bags & filters in the thing cos I'm a cheapskate, plus they work perfectly well and don't leave my wallet light enough to be lifted by a solitary helium balloon.... :P

They haven't got a rubber seal, just what looks like the bag material compressed and heated to form a stiff ring which I guess acts like a seal, so shouldn't (in theory) leak, the bag that's in there now is still relatively new, I haven't used the thing much lately cos I've been using the trusty Tristar, so can't say if those larger GN-type bags leak or not...
 
The Miele GN bags have the rubber seal around them. The FJM HyClean bags have a plastic ring around the opening to the bag. They used to have a rubber seal on them up until this past spring. The FJM AirClean bags have the rubber seal.

That's why I'm a little aggravated with Miele, in the previous 6 years of ownership I never had a problem with dust inside the canister. Then this year I do. Miele made the change without letting anyone know about it. I think they should have at least told their dealers about this change.

Miele dealers always rave about how the Miele has a sealed system. But it's not with he HyClean bags in older machines. I'm just glad I found the solution to the problem without too much hassle and that Miele DID send me a box of new bags and an new HEPA filter. I can't complain too much.
 
"The Miele GN bags have the rubber seal around them.&#34

Genuine GN ones maybe, generic ElecTruePart GN ones, no, and I can tell cos they're right here next to me.... :&#92
 
Long, long time ago I asked members of this site about generic bags for my Miele, which ones they found to be the best. The answer?
Always use Miele bags, period. Don't try to use generic bags.

It appears that the original answer isn't valid anymore.....
 
HyClean/AirClean Information...

Let me start off by saying that my S7580, S7280, S5981 and S2180 machines have only been used with the HyClean and AirClean bags since new, and their bag chambers continue to remain spotless. My S314 is still using the last of the original IntensiveClean bags and those in fact do let some fine dust through the material.

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Miele HyClean bags in FJM and GN styles have been discontinued. Some dealers may still have remaining stock of HyClean, but they are no longer available. AirClean bags in these styles eliminated the internal plastic strapping which would cause the bags not to fill properly, most commonly seen when used in the S4 series.

As for HyClean bags in U style, they also have been discontinued. However, there is no difference between the HyClean and AirClean versions as no plastic strapping was included in the design.

The bag material and its composition is identical in both versions.

To illustrate the design changes, I have photographed both bags in style FJM...

AirClean (right) and HyClean (left)

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On the HyClean bags I had, that white area around the opening in the bag was a hardened type of plastic. On the AirClean bags that white area around the bag opening is a soft, rubbery material. It makes for a good seal around the tube coming in from the vac.

I wonder why the AirClean bags don't say AirClean on them? Mine don't either.

Our local Miele dealers have TONS of the FJM HyClean bags in stock. Suffice to say they have at least a years supply on hand. They are only now getting the AirClean bags. And when they get them in, it's only 5 or 6 boxes at a time.

Are there any generic bags for the Miele vacs that are as good as the originals?
 
All HyClean/AirClean bags should have a silicone gasket on the bag collar. If you still have your HyClean bags, would you mind taking a picture and posting it here?

As for the meltblown polypropelene generics available here in North America (DVC, Envirocare Technologies and 3M/Arm & Hammer), unfortunately none will filter as well as the original Miele bags. However, if I absolutely had to use generic, my choice would be the 3M/Arm & Hammer.
 
"Are there any generic bags for the Miele vacs that are

Unfortunately I can't say what's available over there in the states, but here in the UK, the two brands I've found that work well are ElecTruePart bags and Unifit "Micropor" bags (the latter I used in my Tristar Vs. Miele vids, they didn't leak when fed salt and baking powder, haven't had any more since though cos I can't find them), I've not tried other official bags though, but using a generic Kirby bag in there vastly improved performance when it's card plate thing was trimmed down to fit the bag holder... :P

That's a thought, I should try a genuine Kirby poly. bag in there just for fun.... :P
 
Unfortunately, I threw out the last HyClean bag when the new AirClean bags from Miele arrived. But it looked exactly the same as the one you pictured here.

Well, I think I'll just stick with the Miele AirClean bags. Thanks for the advice.
 

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