Miele bag leakage ??

[mark40511]

This is EXACTLY what happened when I would use the microlined paper bags in my Kenmore canister. If I used the generic cloth bags, this never happened! Those grove areas are such a pain to try to clean. That's what always amazed me about the poly bags. The hepa filter would only get dirty because of the carbon dust. Those poly bags are great. I'm really surprised that it's leaking like that.

With my epic 6500 Lux, I've been using the paper bags and amazingly enough, I never notice the least bit of dust in the chamber. Perhaps it IS the way it seals and NOT the bag. I dunno? I know if fine dust does get in the lux bag chamber area, it looks like it would be MUCH easier to clean the way it is designed.

 

[whirlcool]

We vacuumed out mattresses and you can't get any finer dust than that in your vac.
With the AirClean bags we still didn't have any dust inside our bag chamber. So it is a bag problem.

To clean out the lid of our Miele with all those channels and nooks in it, I just took it off the vacuum went outside with the cover and just hosed it down with the water hose in the garden. Then I dried it with a microfiber cloth and let it sit in the sun until it was totally dry. On the other areas I just used our Rainbow and a dust cloth to clean the rest of the chamber out.

 

[gsheen]

If you actually look at the bag you will see that the dust has come right thru the material.

 

[joshdonnell]

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maybe the dust rubbed on bag

 

[williamr1248]

Miele bag leakage

Allen,


I got a kick out of your post! You used WATER and your RAINBOW to clean out the MIELE! That could only happen on our vac forum! I am following this thread and still not sure if the REAL problem has been solved. I bought a Hoover Anniversary Convertible Upright that had 2 different bins. One for bagless use and one for the Hepa throw-a- away bag. The bagless bin leaked dust and the Hepa bag had such a poor fit it let dirt go right into the motor. The fix I got from Hoover was to use the OLD style regular paper bags. They did work but it defeated the dust filtration on the machine. I too wondered if other customers bought the machne and had the same problem. The Hoover repair shop tried several different bins and several different packages of hepa bags all with the same result. We just gave up. 


 


 

 

[vinvac]

I have the Miele Capricorn and love the Hy-Clean bags...never have any dust inside the machine. It has been put through the course, my friend had three cats and two litter pans...the dust and cat litter was all over her house.

Never once did any of that fine dust escape. I use the Hepa cloth bags in my Royal, no leakage, Oreck, no leakage, some in the Buster B...using the new cloth charcol bags, but still much better than paper.

The only paper bag I would swear by is the old Air-Way and the new Kirby Micron-Magic...when we redid the the kitchen, we had to do a lot of plaster touch up..I used the Kirby sander, no dust in the room and none in the bag compartment.

Morgan

 

[joshdonnell]

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so so the hyclean bags leaked ? fine dust ?

 

[baglessball]

What is the difference between hyclean and air clean bags? Like the selling point?

Because I dot think the massive dust leakage of the hyclean is a good one!

 

[williamr1248]

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Morgan,


I have had the same story with my Oreck. It seems to filter very well and so does my later model small Oreck tank when I used the hepa bags . I never saw any dust in my Kirby outer bag BUT it does smell after a few uses with hepa bags and when I washed the outer bag the water was dirty.


I never saw any dust inside our Air-Way 66 or 88 even after years and years of use with their old fibre Sani-bags either.


I would think the company  would be very interested in getting this problem resolved  no matter if it is the product itself or the bag quality control for such a  a high end product.


We won't use any names but the same thing was happening with another High End appliance maker (not vacuums) where one of their products has a wonderful reputation and happy customers but another related product they  offer has a terrible reputation for giving service problems. 


 


 

 

[whirlcool]

Yes, I used the Rainbow to vacuum out the dust of the Miele's bag area in the main part of the vac. I used the outside water hose to just clean the lid, which was removed from the machine before spraying with water. It is kind of weird to use a Rainbow to clean a Miele, I will admit!

We've had this vac for about 6 or 7 years now. It never leaked dust into the bag compartment before. It only started last April with a purchase of new Miele bags.
The other day we vacuumed just about everything in the house that was vacuumable.
Still no more dust in the bag compartment. At first we balked at the high price of the Miele, but a friend said we would see how long it lasts. And it has lasted and still looks like new. So we are completely satisfied with it. But I am thinking of getting a used Kirby off of Ebay just to play with from time to time.

BTW, when we vacuumed our matresses we used the upholstery turbo brush to do it. To test it to see how much it was picking up we used some of those black circular filters that the Kirby guy that gave us a demo a few years ago left behind. He left quite the stack of them too. I was shocked at how much debris came out of that mattress. We usually vacuum it about every 6 months!

What is going on with Miele and their bags? BTW, I have noticed that one of the Miele vac dealers has a brand new shipment of AirClean bags in stock right alongside the HyClean bags. Both are the same price too. Talk about customer confusion!

 

[gsheen]

So I cleaned the machine out and put a new bag in , 2 days later small amount of dust in the bag compartment.! very frustrating as I really like this vacuum and wanted to sell it in my shop but I won't if it has this problem.


 


BTW we have 11 cats 3 dogs 2 indisde bunny's , a large house with every carpet from shagg to berber and tiles and wood flooring.


 


My wife and I also have two sons aged 7 &9 so if a vacuum survives our house hold its a good one.


 


I vacuum about 3 times a day as I can't handle pet hair on any thing. we also run our business from home

 

[joshdonnell]

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My gets a little dust . And ive seen old tank luxs do that and even my old rainbow i saw dust were the filter was. You know ur vacuum seals up when the vacuum is on so theres no leakage! And everything goes the sealed hepa so i wouldnt worry abouy it. Im not with my miele . I think the reason that does. Happen on luxs abd kirby becuase they the air moving more in side the bag unlike miele , hooverand kenmores! I think ive seen my granmother old kirby have a lot a dust in outer bag becuase there owners be for her didnt use a bag in it. And the lux ive seen with grem grabber.

 

[joshdonnell]

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Also you have know that no vacuum is perfect not even a rainbow i learned that my self. If you dont like the you should buy a kirby

 

[gsheen]

Rainbows

First off I do like rainbows but I again as with a Kirby do not think there cost is justified. There owners swear up and down that all the dirt stays in the water & I must say I do get  a Kick out of showing them how dirty the fans are when they bring them in.


 

 

[baglessball]

If your looking for a reliable bagged upright to sell in your shop have you tried sebo?

I'm not sure if the uprights use the hepa bag material, I know the canisters do so I guess it's a matter of time before they use them in there uprights. (sebo that is)

Are hyclean bags supposed to maintain more airflow and airclean supposed to be better at retaining dust? Just a guess.. I'm still stuck on this one!

I'm sticking with dyson!!

 

[gsheen]

I have looked at sebo but they are very expensive in SA and there spares are even worse. I just replaced the hose on an x4 for a client at the equalvilent of $ 70.00. thats insane. 


 


Dysons will always be a bigger seller for me than bagged vacuums, Say what you want customers just don't want bags. the first thing that we get asked when a customer wants a new vacuum is is it bag less I do not want bags any more. I can see why to at just over $20 for a pack of miele bags here customers just do not want that expense any more

 

[williamr1248]

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Gareth,


I can sure agree with you to a point. I had a good friend who owned a vac repair shop. I spent several days at his shop and watched what the customers would bring in for repair. This guy was very well versed on Dyson and Rainbows. What we saw time after time after time was owners who were bringing in neglected or abused Dysons and Rainbows. The Dysons had been filled way past capacity,filters not cleaned or washed and owners who had not performed the simple task of even emptying their Rainbow basin or had cleaned WAY too long with one filling and of course as the water evaporated the dust went into the fans of the machines.


The machines I have seen with clean fans after years of use have been  Air-Way,Filter Queen,Rainbow. Of course this is based on the owner taking care of the machine.  My fans are not dirty BUT I always changed the water every 30 minutes and I ALWAYS dumped my Dyson bin and washed the filters.


I bet you see it all with customers every day. I will never understand why a customer will pay $500.00 for a Dyson and then neglect the simple care it takes for a long life.   It will be interesting to see if the Dyson's last 20-30 years as so many of the old Rainbows. I appreciate all the information you have sharred with the forum!


 

 

[gsheen]

Well I have a 1994 dyson dc01 here still working like new, customer just wanted something newer.


A mate of mine in the UK has a dyson shop and he swears by the dc01 , builit proof so was the dc04. The trouble with the newer ones is not the machines but the customers themselves. We even get kirby's in were the bag is so full the handle won't stand upright any more and then come the sentince I love ," its not sucking any more" I get the same thing with bagless vacuums and you can see the container is full to the top but these days people are to lazy to just stop and look. 


 


We do guarantee work on Electrolux machines ( you guys call them Eureka) some really good machines of late but the customers bring them back " not working" and all that is wrong is the belt has snapped. they even get a free one with the machine but are to lazy to fit it.


 


My rant over 


Its early Monday morning here so off to the shop now to see some more careless clients

 

[twocvbloke]

The problem is today's society is that most people live disposable lives, they buy something, use and abuse it, complaining it doesn't work, then buy a replacement and do the same, never learning the error of their ways, from a simple tin opener to a car, people are just blissfully unaware that simple maintenance is required, be it sharpening a blade, emptying a bin/bag, changing the oil, or even just plugging it in for some!!! :S

But, that's where people like us come in, we take the things in and fix them up and either keep them for ourselves to play with, or sell them on (or even back to the people who threw it out!!! ), but that's what separates the smarter people from the, well, "less than smart" people...

I do believe that manufacturing has gotten lazy in the past couple of decades though, aswell as making things so they cannot be repaired economically, which doesn't help matters, so combine the two and it's just a nightmare!!! :S

 

[gsheen]