kirby or dyson

[robgwisdala]

Kirby with a double brush brushroll aka QuadraSweep brushroll and converted to micro filtration paper bags.
In my opinion, That setup will clean very well and leak practically no dust!

 

[vacuumkid3]

Yeah, I am not sure just how effective the old Kirby's are, but the new Kirby's are very good! And they last longer! Well...enough of me arguing. It is just my opinion!

 

[tolivac]

Yes-the Dyson has HEPA filters but all of this is moot when you have to dump the dust cup-better do it outside or all of that fine dust will blow back into the air to settle on your home's surfaces to be picked up again!And the filter in a Dyson can be clogged-try picking up plaster dust,fireplace ashes,face powder,flour,fine sanding dust.these will clog about any vacuum-Dyson included-infact in the Dyson operators manual they warn not to use the machine to pick up large amounts of fines.A cyclone WILL NOT filter such materials.that is why the Dyson has the HEPA after filter.and yes I will take even a vintage Kirby over the Dyson--the Kirby simply has a more efficient airpath.No Convolutions for the air and dirt to travel thru like on a Dyson.And the Kirbys Direct air design is more efficient.The Dysons could be improved with larger more powerful brushrolls.I beleive the DC17 has done just that.Haven't tried one.It shows that a cleaner with a "smaller" motor may do better than one with the so called larger motor.I could show that a newer Kirby can outdo the Dsyon-Have both and tried them side by side-Kirby Sentria and Dyson "Ball" and Dc07.In a way Mr Dyson and Mr Oreck are similar-they heavily promote their products-and some other products out there can do better and these are not as heavily promoted.

 

[electrolux1960]

Re: Definately:

I would certainly go with a Kirby, over a Dyson no questions asked and hands down. For my "Daily Driver" however, I'm still otherwise an Electrolux Guy and also I've got my Mother's Rainbow Rexair Purification System {as they called it during the Demostration} machine.

Kind Regards, Steve
Electrolux1960...

 

[myhooverco]

In my opinion...

I would have to say that a Kirby would out clean a dyson. In my daily driver mode though I am still a Hoover guy through and through. This is just my opinion. I like reading all of the opinions here. No matter what your age, it is great to read the opinions of others regarding the Kirby and dyson. It can really give me an overall picture and make me think about angles that I have not yet thought of. Thanks guys for posting your views. This is what makes this forum so unique!!!

--Tom

 

[sukething]

I want to share this story....

First of all my opinion on vacuums are that I love them all. Each of them have their own qualities that I like.

My best friends bought a brand new Dyson just a month or so ago. They were very excited and were very proud of their new machine and all of its features. The model of the Dyson I do not recall but it was the one for pets. I had not seen one or even played with one so I to thought it was cool and hoped they would be satisfied. Even Reggie (Compact9) got to use it at their home. I also had told my friends about the conversations that we had on our forum about the Dyson, the good and bad.

A few weeks ago a Kirby salesman was to come by their home to shampoo one room as we all know the tricks of the trade. So my friends really vacuumed the carpet well with their Dyson thinking they had done a great job.

My friends were astonished to find how badly the Dyson had cleaned their carpet.

My friends had just moved into a newer home with newer carpet but they had cleaned their carpets before they moved in with "saw-dust" type of cleaning stuff, that used an applicator machine. Well to their amazment when the Kirby demo pad brought out alot of the saw dust still in the carpet, they were very surprised. That is what sold them on machine and of course they were amazed of the "vacuuming the bed" deomonstration. So they bought it and are very happy with it, they also bought the shampooer.

Yes my friends both new of Kirbys and both of them liked them, but did not realize how well they cleaned, even though they both knew about my collection and of my knowledge of vacuums. I told them when one called me to tell me what they bought that I so proud of them and congratulated them on their new Kirby.

David

 

[compactelectra]

To Austin

Austin – your comments are fascinating to me in that they contain so much contradiction and irony themselves. First, you advocate for keeping “children” off the forum. It is interesting to me that you got your first exposure to the appliance and vacuum folks through AutomaticWasher.org. You even list it as your favorite Internet site. That is very interesting given the fact that it is a completely open and democratic forum. I am not sure how old you were when you first started to visit that site, but you were pretty young (being just 18 now.) Isn’t that where you met some nice people and learned a lot about washers, appliances (and dare I say it vacuums in Omaha in 2004?) Why would you want to deprive the same thing for young folks with an interest in vacuums? This should be a place where people come to learn and meet other people with the same interests. You did it at AW.org didn’t you?

Being a new member to the club, I should probably bring you up to speed with respect to why this website is open. We sent out a survey on many topics related to the club before the St. Louis convention. The resounding majority stated that they preferred an open forum. It engenders interest in the hobby and attracts new people. We are almost at 200 registered users with people from all over the world visiting. This was followed up by a vote in person at the last convention where it was voted to keep the forum open. There was some interest in having a members-only section, but no funds to get the code written. I am sure it will be discussed at the next convention, but the question will be “how to pay for it?” This club doesn’t have limitless resources, so if you are going to suggest a members-only section, be prepared to suggest how to pay for it.

Finally, before making sweeping generalizations regarding “unfairly” banning people from the forum, I would suggest that you get both sides of the story. It is clear to me that you are hearing one side, but never asked me or anyone I know about what the facts of the situation were. A sign of maturity is getting all the facts before you attack.
Fred

 

[myhooverco]

Fred...well said...thank you.

--Tom

 

[vacuumkid3]

Thanks! I am glad you support youngsters at this website. I really like to learn about vacuums here. I hope it will stay this way!

 

[kirbyultimateg]

You are right David Watters!

 

[frkirby511]

Fred, thanks

...for reminding us that a pubilic forum remains an essential part of developing this hobby for the future. If our interest is really in collecting, preserving, and showcasing this part of twentieth century history, then we need to keep the forum open.

We have come to learn the enormous storehouse of history, practical and artistic culture and even sociology and psychology contained in the story of the vacuum cleaner from its' beginnings to the present time. Every picture or ad posted on the POD tells a story that reveals something important about its era. The vacuum instruction manuals are fascinating studies in both language and culture. Both the practical and asthetic design of each cleaner tell a lot about how people lived and what was important in their homes throughout each decade. Observing the developing design of a single brand of cleaner over time is a fascinating study of ingenuity and creativity as you see what was changed, improved [or not] and what was left alone even for a long time when a particualr design was so classic that it simply could not be improved on quickly or easily.

And all that said, there is also the sheer fun of using these classic machines or trying out new ones.

If our forum is about all that is involved in collecting vacuum cleaners, then it should not be embedded in some hidden place nor seen as merely eccentric, but accepted for what it is -- a legitimate and interesting hobby that probably has more value than any one of us could realize right now.

Keeping the forum public and focused singularly on collecting vacuum cleaners, assures that this hobby will grow beyond what any single one of us or even all of us at a given time could have imagined.


Fr. Bruce Cinquegrani
Memphis

 

[retromom]

Good points Fred

I don't want to hijack this thread, since it is a Kirby vs. Dyson thread, but thought I would bring up a few points.

Young people ARE the future of this and other collectors' forums. It can be a challenge, but patience and guidance will enable them to learn and appreciate not only the vacuums, but the diverse personalities on the forum as well. We tend to forget that we were once children, many of who were "induldged" about our "obsessions". There is nothing more rewarding than watching a child go from a "crazy kid" to maturing young person who contributes interesting information and asks pertinent questions. It happens all the time!

Now you young people...to get the respect of your peers and to be taken seriously by the adults on this forum, here are a few suggestions (we adults could probably learn from these as well):

1. It is not necessary to respond to every post. If your response doesn't contribute something vital to the thread don't post it.

2. Post in the right categories and don't hijack threads (like I'm doing - LOL). It annoys some people to read about a brand new Hoover bagless vac under the vintage category. It also annoys people when their discussion on HEPA filters turns into a thread about plasma tvs.

3. If someone posts a pic of a new acquisition or fav vacuum, your first response should not be, "I want that!" Perhaps, "Wow, what a great find. I hope to be lucky enough to find one of those myself." Compliments are also very welcome. Everyone is proud of their collections, and it feels good when others appreciate them.

4. Be respectful. Opinion is not necessarily fact. If someone disagrees with your opinion, it does not mean that you are wrong and should take offense to it. It merely means that they have other ideas about the subject. We can all agree to disagree and still be friends.

I'm sure there are more, but these are a few basics to help us all get along and learn from each other.

I treasure all of those that post as well as the VCCC members. We all share a common interest and should all be included in this great group.

Just a mom -

 

[vinvac]

Good Points All!!!

Fred, Fr. Bruce and Retromom,

Thank You...

Your words of wisdom and insight are greatly appreciated. As president of this club it is my job to make sure this club continues to grow and prosper.

The year 2007 is now upon us and I would like to see this club hit 200 members by years end. This is only possible if we can all be respectful of each other so that others reading this forum will find it a place they would like to share.

Preserving the history of the vacuum cleaner is what we are all about. Some of us are getting older and it is time we pass our knowledge on to the younger members of this group. How else will they ever know what the first model Hoover, Kirby, Electrolux, ect. were, how they came to be, how many were produced... well I think you get the picture.

Fred, you were 100% correct, we can start a members only section but only with the help of club members. Our dues currently go for the newsletter and misc. expenses the club encounters through out the year. We have asked this year for members along with their membership dues to contribute to the web site so additional upkeep and possibly a members only section can be accomplished. We have had a good response so far and as soon as I know a total dollar amount it will be in the next newsletter.

Retromom, I hope those reading will take to heart your 4 points. Good advice not only for the younger members but for all reading this forum.

Fr. Bruce, your insight to the growth of this club and where we want to head in the future is greatly appreciated. You stated some very good facts. The membership of this club through a survey and an official vote, decided this site should and will be open to the public. Also, the membership voted to let younger members join this club and be a part of who we are.

Finally, we can not let the feelings of one or two members rule this club. The membership as a whole have made plans to move this club forward and we will do just that.

May the year 2007 bring us more knowledge, members, and most importantly vacuums we want to see saved as a part of our history.

Your President
Morgan

 

[vacuumboy105]

Thanks Fred

Hey thanks. For me I was asking a opinion not a full thread of people saying younge people like us should not be allowed on her. Thanks very much and I hope I dont have to read anything so mean again.

 

[myvacsrock]

Thank you Fred!!

I truly love my collection of vacuums and love to share it with other people...( younger or older). I don't care..yes i am still a kid and enjoy it! My vacuums are just like other kids who love football! This is what i like and really want to keep posting on this fourm and stay with this site!!! Thank you Fred and VERY well put!!

 

[luxboy]

Austin..

Very well said.. I agree wholeheartedly. As someone who has been collecting vacuum cleaners since I was a child, I understand completely what you are saying. When I was younger, I received vacuum cleaners from various family members, family friends, even my babysitter and a school teacher. I liked to play with them and collect them, but I didn't know everything there was to know about vacuum cleaners, nor did I pretend to. At that time, there was no internet, but I can assure you that if there was, my mother would have closely monitored my activity. As for taking vacuum cleaner collecting seriously at that age, I'm sure she would have had a say in that as well. She didn't have a problem with me having vacuums or taking them apart and playing with them, but going to conventions where adult vacuum collectors met, and participating in adult web-based chat forums most likely would have been another story. Without pointing any fingers, the other thing we need to keep in mind here, is that manners and the ability to act as an adult when participating in adult conversation is paramount. Austin, I don't know what age you were when you began posting on aw.org, but if I had to guess, just by talking to you on the phone and corresponding with you via email, you were very polite, didn't pretend to be an authority on something that at your age would be impossible, and used caution and courtesy when posting new threads or responding to existing ones. I'm sure among the users of this website, more that just you and I can can agree that is not the same circumstance on vacuumland.org I agree that there should be a members only section to the forum. I haven't joined the club yet, and don't plan on it until changes have been made to the website and the dynamics within the club. As Tom G. has already said, it is a waste of $35 when everything is free on this website already. It now seems that the club is structured as a dictatorship and being run like a large unfeeling, uncaring corporation handing out punishments at random and only caring about income. It seems as if the webmaster takes personal ownership of this website. When Tom told me the way the club used to be, and the way I see things happening today, they are totally different. Also, after talking with other long time members of the club, I come to the same conclusion. I was really looking forward to joining the club, but with these kind of folks in charge.. I think I'll wait.

 

[myhooverco]

The Club...

Just my opinion, but I am glad that I renewed my VCCC membership and I encourage anyone else that is thinking of joining to do the same. The views here on this forum are only part of the whole. There are many great people in the club making it better and better every year. The newsletters are interesting and worth keeping. The conventions are lots of fun and again I will repeat that there are great people in this club. This forum is also a plus since it is open to anyone so that we may exchange information freely with each other. Please readers of this forum out there read the posts, check out the pictures, watch the videos and then make your OWN decision. I would like to see the club grow with NEW blood young or old everyone has something to contribute.

...getting back to the original question of this thread...my opinion is that the Kirby will still out clean a dyson...

--Tom

 

[air-waycharlie]

I have tried to point out how change is painful but always beneficial in the long run. In the brief 5, (or is it 6), years that I have been a member, I became a President, then a Board Member and now the Vice President.

Has it ever remained the same? Never. Each year was different with new members, new ideas, and new challenges. Have we benefitted? You bet! For the "old guard", (and I border on the edge of that in many ways), the changes are uncomfortable because we emerge as something different each time. Kind of like the worm to the butterfly thing.

This club will always be about people and their interest in vintage vacuums. There will be conflicts in personalities, likes, dislikes and opinions. Some will be offended by being challenged in their knowledge and even being proved wrong. Welcome to the ebb and flow of life and a club.

I take pride in sending in my measley $35.00 to support a club that SUPPORTS me! I thought I was alone until Dr. Charles Quarles, an airline enthusiast, gave me the number to Tom Gasko, the President at the time. I called him, had quite a conversation and the rest is history.

Through this club, I have found a family of dear friends that I count my blessings for. Instead of focusing on on all the things right or wrong with a vacuum cleaner, I have chosen to focus on all that this club has given me.........namely a group of people that I can share my passion with and not feel like an outsider from the rest of the world.

On a day that I watched one of our President's laid to rest that I respected and admired , (no hate mail or criticisms, please....I have a right to my own feelings), I am thankful that we have the freedom to have a site like this and can express our interest in our hobby.

Why anyone would want to make this a negative, hurtful, name calling, petty and source of shame/envy is beyond me.

Could we all just try to make 2007 on Vacuumland a place of comradery or is this just asking too much? I ask you, is it worth the fight or worth the effort?

Charlie W. aka Helen Lawson, your VP

 

[vacuumkid3]

YAY! A good New Year's resolution! I second this movement!

Oh, and what is this Helen Lawson about? Am I too young to understand? PLEASE say "no!" Inside joke, maybe?

~~K~~

 

[luxboy]

Charlie..

I understand what you are saying, and don't think I've ever done any name calling, but I have witnessed a lot of things in the few months that I have been a part of this website and this group. I went from being soo excited to join the club and going to the convention, to just being disgusted with some of the leaders of this club, to the point I don't even want to join. First and foremost is the issue of children posting on this website. If you look at the majority of current threads, they have all been created by youngsters under the age of 15. Most of them have no specific interest and are instead just annoying posts by kids who like to think they are experts on vacuum cleaners. This is very interesting. For these kids to join the club would mean that their parents would have to join, and I'm sure that in most cases this won't happen. I know that there are many others, besides myself, even longtime members of the club that are also tired of reading all of this silliness. I can't believe that Fred Nelson and Morgan Frazier would rather defend these children who can't even become club members until they are 18 years old by going as far to ban longtime found club member Tom Gasko from posting on the forum. That is soo wrong and it just disgusts me that this type of behavior is being tolerated by other longtime members. This really makes me think very lowly of these club leaders. Tom has given so much to this club and caused it to grow and now, for him to be treated the way he is being treated is beyond belief. I'm sure that most readers of this forum don't even know that if it weren't for Tom, there probably wouldn't be a picture of the day section, as Tom provided most of the advertisements to Fred Nelson to scan and post. For Fred Nelson to say that he would quit his job as webmaster if Tom Gasko were allowed to post again is the most childish thing I have ever heard. If I am correct, this website belongs to the club, not to you personally Fred Nelson. Just because you may have made a large financial contribution doesn't mean it belongs to you. I hope that some of the other longtime members of this club read this post and realize what is happening to this forum and to this club. It sure would be nice if this could be a place for CLUBMEMBERS to meet and all of this childsplay to go back to the playgroud.

Derreck