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I forgot the rubber tread on rear wheels and power drive that needed to be improved and were.But I would not add motors to the list.I wonder if there was more trouble with overseas voltage than in US?
 
Possibly the 220v motors were not very good. But the biggest issue motor was the main bearing housing. That destroyed more motors than anything else.
I think every faulty one has been repaired though because years ago we got loads but nothing not one with that issue in the last year
 
Possibly the 220v motors were not very good. But the biggest issue motor was the main bearing housing. That destroyed more motors than anything else.
I think every faulty one has been repaired though because years ago we got loads but nothing not one with that issue in the last year
 
Another G3 problem was when you were using the machine in the "Canister" mode-if you jerked the hose just right the vacuum would kick into the Tech Drive mode-SURPRIZE-the hose would be jerked out of your hand and the machine drag races across the floor-happened twice to me.Then it would make a resounding "BANG" when it hits the wall-No damage,though-just a big surpize.Anyone else experience this with their G3?Wouldn't think this would be too desirable if kids or pets were about.
 
Rex . . .

I went into my Kirby dealer's one day to buy bags for may Heritage II. He asked if I had seen the new model yet. No. He unboxed a G3 and showed me how it was so much different than what I had. He told me to take it home and use it. If I didn't like it, bring it back. If I wanted to keep it, bring in the H2 and then we would make a deal. I kept the G3 and we made a great deal.

I kept the G3 until the G5 came out. Of course, the G5 was much improved, and it has been one of my favorites in the Generation line. The only real problem I had with my G3 is that the tread on the drive wheels wore down within the first year and a half and had to be replaced. At times, there was some jerkiness with the transmission, but at the time, I thought this was how the transmission normally behaved. It wasn't until the Ultimate G that the transmission ran smoothly and more quietly.

My take on everything is that Kirby wanted to get the G3 out into the market to herald the new decade of the '90s. Other than a different color, the Legend II was not different than the H2 Legend, but probably was brought to the market for a year's run to bide time while the G3 was being tested. As we know, the G3 came to the market and had various problems.

I could be wrong, but the whole new Kirby concept design is out there and being tested, but Kirby does not want a repeat of problems like the G3. So, my feeling is that Kirby stuck with the Sentria design to bring out the Avalir with black trim and a redesigned handle and rug shampooer and a different color bag just to have something out on the market they could call the 100th anniversary model. Meanwhile, the concept testing goes on. The Avalir looks like a Kirby, sounds like a Kirby (since it's a reworked Sentria), and cleans like a Kirby. The engineers need more time to make this happen with a new design without a repeat of big problems like the G3.
 
Potential Kirby Re-Design

The drawings that have been displayed for the potential totally redesigned Kirby, do look like they have some promise. However, they represent more than an improvement or development of the basic Kirby design which is what every model we have seen since the beginning in fact is.

The core of the Kirby from its earliest concept as the Scott & Fetzer Sanitation System to the Sentria II is a central upright impeller with a shaft that can operate ancillary attachments. For this basic power unit, Kirby has developed basic/standard vacuum cleaning attachments and then other attachments for ancillary household chores. But the core of the unit has essentially remained a motor with an impeller and shaft. The whole thing has been gradually improved and developed. That was the Kirby method. Work with the basic design and keep improving it. Which they really did with each new model --mostly. The current models are really excellent vacuum cleaners.

The drawings we've seen of a redesigned machine not yet on the market, are NOT an improvement on the basic design; they are a RADICALLY NEW DESIGN that takes some of the features of the traditional design, and recasts them for this completely new thing. The power plant for this new design is not an impeller with a shaft; its something else altogether. There must be a fan somewhere in that power plant to create suction; but it looks like it functions very differently than any previous model. So this is not going from the 500 series to the Classic or the Heritage II to the G platform; this is completely new to the core.

As many have said, they certainly did not want the 100th anniversary model to have any chance of being a flop or be known for certain recurring problems.

If they eventually move forward with this radically new design --and we really don't know if they will--I suspect they need to back it up with an enormous amount of testing. Other companies have had these kinds of prototypes and never actually put them on the market. So just because its out there being tested doesn't mean it will actually make it to the market. But then again, it may. I would agree that it does seem to have a Rube Goldberg quality about it; but that may be just the drawings that look like something out of a Dagwood cartoon.

I hope the upright impeller design doesn't become extinct because I think it remains an excellent design all things considered --especially in terms of airflow. But I must admit I am also intrigued by this new contraption -- Rube Goldbergesque as it may be. Who knows what the future will bring. :)

In any case, the more I look at the new Avalir the more I am quite taken by it; the colors are beautifully reminiscent of the earliest Kirbys as many have said; and its really a classy design. Black tie for sure. Someone in an earlier post mentioned parallels to auto manufacturers, especially the Porsche. When we were at Kirby this summer, the head engineer said that they were in touch with the R & D at Porsche.
 
CRI Gold Seal

I have always thought of the Carpet Shampoo system as OK, but definately not as good as say the Bissell or Hoover steamvacs!

Now this new unit on the Avalir has got the CRI Gold Stamp, surely it must be great - Chemical change, re design of the unit... it must be a big improvement!

Any Ideas?
 
Joseph-Guess the Avalir that is out now could be considered the "Avalir1" and the real,newer design is in their works and testing being debugged.Guess it will be introduced probably a few years from now.Didn't know of the issues with the G3 other than the one I mentioned.The factory rebuilt one I have works well.Guess we will have to wait and see what the other "Avalir" is going to be like.
 
Well, Rex, there was the Classic III, then the Heritage I and the Heritage II, then the Legend I and the Legend II (which is one of my favorites), then the Sentria I and the Sentria II, why not the Avalir I and the Avalir II? One can only wonder--and wait.

Joe
 
I must admit, I was disappointed with Kirby's centennial machine. I was expecting something more revolutionary. Aside from the new shampooer and handle, it's nothing more than a warmed-over Generation series. What I don't understand (and probably never will) is why in 2014 Kirby still has the power switch in the base of the unit when some of their cleaners DID have a switch in the handle prior to WWII (the R series). It's an antiquated design, something I had hoped would change with the Avalir. But then, this is a company that didn't offer disposable bags until 1979. A carbon copy of the prototype drawings may have been too much of a shock to Kirby purists, but Kirby has gotten more mileage out of the Generation series body than any prior series, and a transitional machine would've been a welcome change.

- Hershel
 
The switch on the power unit is because the machines converts to other types of machines, ie, a canister, hand held etc. If they had a switch on the handle, it would complicate the set up for these variations.

The Toe-touch switch is very easy to operate and goes very well with the height adjustment and Tech-drive engagement.
 
Well, it's a matter of interpretation but personally I feel a toe touch on/off switch on an upright is antiquated. And while they're at it, they could move the Tech Drive control to the handle as well. OR, offer a lighter weight upright with a 12 inch nozzle that doesn't NEED tech-drive. As someone astutely pointed out, Kirbys have been bulky ever since 1970 and the Tech-Drive certainly doesn't help.
 
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