Kirby Avalir 2?

[juju93]

whats ironic

What I find ironic is that both dyson and kirby have both release new machines within a matter of weeks/days from each other. Now don't get me wrong both machines are great but I find it a little fishy that two companies would release 2 new models within a certain time from of each other.

 

[juju93]

conformation

So I found this video of the new avalir2 ms3 online and I was wondering is this what the shampoo system looks like for the new model. From seeing previous post of the avalir 2 and the ms3 system that comes with it, it looks like theyre still selling the grey dial and elbow hose over the blue dial and blue elbow hose. What I'm trying to say is that is the blue dial and elbow hose selling with the avalir 2 or are they still selling the grey elbow hose and dial with the avalir2. To me it would make since to sell the blue one (as shown in the video) over the grey option, that way it all matches the color scheme.

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwQ1g4JP_9U

 

[sensotronic]

They won't be able to sell the new model in EU countries if they haven't reduced the noise level as it goes way above the permitted maximum of 80db. The EU rating label shown here is right at the back of the UK instruction book.

 

[vacfan1982]

That is a good point Roger.

Those ratings don't look so special

 

[sensotronic]

No, those ratings don't look good which is why it took me a while to find them on Kirby's website. Most people will disagree with them though as it has the same carpet and floor pick up rating as a straight suction Henry. From experience I'm sure a Kirby is a deeper cleaner than a Henry.

 

[vacfan1982]

Haha yes to be fair the Kirby deserves a better rating than that on carpet. And the dust emissions will be mostly carbon dust.

But the noise level will be a big problem for Kirby in the EU

 

[vacfan1982]

They maybe able to reduce the noise level with sound insulation of course.

 

[mariotron]

I really like the black and blue color scheme. Especially the blacked-out belt lifter.

Not sure what I think about the giant "K" on the bag. And is it me or does the bag all black or is the camera not showing the blue ?

 

[honestjoe68]

Hey Guys,

Tyler, the bag appears to be dark blue or maybe black with the silver diamond like pattern and like you said, the giant “K” on the front. I’m not really liking the bag design myself on the Avalir 2.. but everyone teases me for loving and buying the Sentria 2 just because I love the tan and teal colors. Blue is my favorite color, so I might buy this one just because it has a nicer shampoo and floor system than my awesome Kirby Sentria 2.

Hey Mark, your comments regarding the EU ratings, on decibels and emissions got me thinking. Kirby has a very easy fix for these two issues. One, like you mentioned, sound insulate the inside of the aluminum motor shell.. maybe a sprayed on sound dampening material could be used similar to how they make the inside noise of a car quieter. Also, they could change the outer bag possibly to dampen some of the rushing air sounds from the Kirbys powerful airflow. Lastly, the Carbon emissions made a lightbulb go off for me.. you know the small motor vent on the side of the Kirby, close to the height adjustment lever.. I wonder if Kirby were to put a snap in filter there if that would give them better emissions rating?? I doubt the emissions are from the bag as those are made so well and trap everything.. I don’t know where else the emissions would come from? It’s a thought as something that small should be easy to fix and not very costly, they could just add one to each 6 pack of Kirby bags for replacement.

Lastly, No offense to the EU but I don’t agree with the “C” ratings on carpet and hard floor. I get such excellent results from my Kirby that I can’t believe that’s accurate for the majority of peoples carpeting and hard floors. I mean come on I can see dust bunnies FLY from several inches away into the Kirby nozzle with the brushroll off cleaning my hard floors. And as for carpeting. I have done the flour and sand test on several of my thick area rugs and carpeting with amazing results. My Sentria 2 sucked up the flour from under the area rug in one pass and every bit of the sand from my deep plush carpet.

Thanks guys, as always I love reading your comments.

 

[juju93]

So does anyone know what the attachments/accessories and manuals look like. Like are all the red accent and wording that was on the tools and accessories of the avalir 1, are those accent pieces and wordings now blue. Like for example of the turbo accessory and zippbrush on the avalir 1 the word KIRBY is red, so I'm assuming that theyre now blue, am I correct? Now I posted a video link of the msss for the avalir2, a few comments back, and I was wondering if thats what it looks like for this model. If anyone can conform it that would be great. Also if anyone has a youtube channel can they upload the dvd owners manual.

 

[sptyks]

Patrick,


 


It is not possible to put a filter on the air vent on the side of the Kirby G series vacuums. This vent allows hot air from the motor's cooling fan to escape from the motor compartment. If the air escaping from this vent is restricted by any type of filter, the motor will soon overheat. I know of at least 3 people that have tried this only to burn out the motor in their Kirby's.


 


 

 

[mariotron]

@Partick

I really hope it's blue it would be a nice throw back to tradition. Oh and I don't blame you for liking the SenII. The color schemes remind me of 60s (maybe 70s) Eurekas.
I don't know what going with the EU rating either. My Diamond editons easily picks up litter from a distance off my hard floors and lifts up my entire rug and gets all the carpet powder out even when the bag is nearly full.

 

[vacfan1982]

Patrick they need to do something about the carbon emissions. I know the Tandem air cleaners have a carbon filter and the new Sebo X7 has a much better exhaust filter now.

I don't agree with a C rating either and the MD of Kirby UK certainly doesn't either from the tone of his voice when I spoke to him

Maybe they didn't adjust the floorhead properly. Kirby should ask for a retest and for a Kirby rep to be present to ensure it's set up correctly.

 

[honestjoe68]

@sptyks

Hi Stan,

Thanks for the clarification, I didn’t know what that side vent was used for, just trying to figure out where carbon dust was escaping to lower the Kirby emissions to such a bad rating. Thank you for explaining that, now I know.

I just don’t see how that emissions rating and the “C” ratings for carpet and flooring can be correct. I know I have lots of allergies and even asthma and I can vacuum the entire house with my Kirby Sentria 2 and never sneeze once. AND the carpets look new and clean as well as I love watching the dog hair and dust bunnies FLY across the floor into the Kirby.

Thanks Tyler for the comment about liking the Sentria 2 bag as well. I think they should go all out and make a Kirby bag with a colorful LAVA lamps and Disco Balls design! Just Joking but how fun would that be. I wonder if anyone else, besides me, has thought about buying other outer bags in different patterns, just to snazzy up their Kirby or make it more exciting?? I’m tempted to buy the Avalir 2 Blue Bag after they start selling them to see how it looks on my Sentria 2.

Mark, I TOTALLY agree! I am always suspect of vacuum testing and I think it’s only fair that these testing facilities allow at least one representative from the company be present for testing to see if they are adjusting it correctly, etc. There are a lot of variables that could make the test results less reliable or incorrect. What if in the EU testing, they didn’t secure the disposable HEPA bag correctly? What if like you said they didn’t set the height adjustment to the correct position? Good call on that Marki.

Thanks guys!

 

[mariotron]

@Partick

I actually would like to have custom outer bags. I've seen some people on YouTube put classic bag on G Series and would like to try it some day because I really like the older bags puff up.

Oh, and if someone does make custom bag I'll need one that looks like Nintendo's kirby for obvious reasons.

 

[kirbylux77]

@Stan, reply 69

Don't try & tell me one couldn't put a filter on the Kirby's motor air vent! That's total BS. When you say three people tried it & killed the motor on their Kirby, the key is they did it homemade, it was NOT something engineered into the vacuum's entire system. The fact that Sebo has done it with the X Series uprights for a LONG time now, & Tacony has done it with the Riccar/Simplicity Tandem Air uprights, is proof it can be done if some thought is put into the engineering & executed properly.

I completely agree with Marcus in reply 71 that Kirby needs to do something about it IMMEDIATELY. It's just not acceptable anymore for a vacuum to not have any sort of exhaust filtration, even if it's just a micro filter. Consumers are demanding it now, even if they aren't allergy sufferers. It may just be carbon dust emissions, but it's not modern for a vacuum not to have a exhaust filter & it's a very valid reason for a consumer to say "no" to the Kirby when they have a presentation in their home.

I think if Kirby put a filter similar to Miele's Super Air Clean filter material that comes with their bags, I think something like that would provide adequate exhaust filtration for the carbon dust, & not be so restrictive as to cause a problem with the motor, as long as it was changed regularly with every bag change. Just include the filters with the bags in a package of bags & proper instructions.

As for the Avalir2? Not a fan of it. The blue accents are nice, but I am not a fan of the blue "K" on the bag. Definitely agree with Keither in reply 53 that the first Avalir color scheme looks better. Kirby definitely needs to get with it & stop making new red accents & then a Avalir2 with a new color scheme & just design a new model. How much longer can they keep trotting out the same old tired platform & still stay in business??

Rob

 

[tolivac]

Carbon emission from vacuum motors-Gee-for close to 100 years folks have been vacuuming with cleaners emitting carbon dust-its so minute-not worth worrying about.And it stays near the vacuum.There is ZERO dirt emissions from the bag when I tested it with an IQ Air particle meter.Yes,we can make a filter for the motor exhaust-but is it really necessary?I haven't seen people falling over from carbon dust emitted from vacuum cleaner motors-and keep in mind OTHER household appliances and power tools use carbon brush equipped motors.should we put filters on those,too?Honestly-there are other things more serious to worry about.

 

[vacfan1982]

Yes I agree but in the EU when you see an F rating for emissions it doesn't look good does it. And it could easily be solved.

Of course it's not harmful and the bags filter very well it's just the impression it will give when people see this label.

 

[honestjoe68]

Hey everybody,

Sorry, I didn’t mean to offend anyone with my comment regarding Kirby emissions. Like Mark, I was simply disappointed that such an awesome vacuum as the Kirby would receive an “F” rating for emissions when all the Important stuff is totally filtered out by the bag!

My comment was a rambling where I simply thought maybe the Kirby design team could consider a way to stop carbon dust emissions simply to gain an “A” rating for emissions... I meant nothing else and was not implying anything bad about Kirby. I’m not bothered by the thought of carbon emissions, just the dust and pollen.. which awesomely enough the Kirby removes easily with it’s excellent micron filtration bags.

So I hope since we are ALL vacuum fans and no matter which brand or type of vacuum we prefer... we can all come together here and have fun and post our ideas and thoughts. I certainly didn’t mean to get folks arguing with each other. Thanks everybody and have a great day!

 

[juju93]

Hey can someone confirm my question in reguards to my post (post 60) as well as (post 68/49/55) and post 68