Kirby Avalir 2?

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What I find ironic is that both dyson and kirby have both release new machines within a matter of weeks/days from each other. Now don't get me wrong both machines are great but I find it a little fishy that two companies would release 2 new models within a certain time from of each other.
 
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So I found this video of the new avalir2 ms3 online and I was wondering is this what the shampoo system looks like for the new model. From seeing previous post of the avalir 2 and the ms3 system that comes with it, it looks like theyre still selling the grey dial and elbow hose over the blue dial and blue elbow hose. What I'm trying to say is that is the blue dial and elbow hose selling with the avalir 2 or are they still selling the grey elbow hose and dial with the avalir2. To me it would make since to sell the blue one (as shown in the video) over the grey option, that way it all matches the color scheme.

http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwQ1g4JP_9U
 
They won't be able to sell the new model in EU countries if they haven't reduced the noise level as it goes way above the permitted maximum of 80db. The EU rating label shown here is right at the back of the UK instruction book.

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No, those ratings don't look good which is why it took me a while to find them on Kirby's website. Most people will disagree with them though as it has the same carpet and floor pick up rating as a straight suction Henry. From experience I'm sure a Kirby is a deeper cleaner than a Henry.
 
Haha yes to be fair the Kirby deserves a better rating than that on carpet. And the dust emissions will be mostly carbon dust.

But the noise level will be a big problem for Kirby in the EU
 
I really like the black and blue color scheme. Especially the blacked-out belt lifter.

Not sure what I think about the giant "K" on the bag. And is it me or does the bag all black or is the camera not showing the blue ?
 
Hey Guys,

Tyler, the bag appears to be dark blue or maybe black with the silver diamond like pattern and like you said, the giant “K” on the front. I’m not really liking the bag design myself on the Avalir 2.. but everyone teases me for loving and buying the Sentria 2 just because I love the tan and teal colors. Blue is my favorite color, so I might buy this one just because it has a nicer shampoo and floor system than my awesome Kirby Sentria 2.

Hey Mark, your comments regarding the EU ratings, on decibels and emissions got me thinking. Kirby has a very easy fix for these two issues. One, like you mentioned, sound insulate the inside of the aluminum motor shell.. maybe a sprayed on sound dampening material could be used similar to how they make the inside noise of a car quieter. Also, they could change the outer bag possibly to dampen some of the rushing air sounds from the Kirbys powerful airflow. Lastly, the Carbon emissions made a lightbulb go off for me.. you know the small motor vent on the side of the Kirby, close to the height adjustment lever.. I wonder if Kirby were to put a snap in filter there if that would give them better emissions rating?? I doubt the emissions are from the bag as those are made so well and trap everything.. I don’t know where else the emissions would come from? It’s a thought as something that small should be easy to fix and not very costly, they could just add one to each 6 pack of Kirby bags for replacement.

Lastly, No offense to the EU but I don’t agree with the “C” ratings on carpet and hard floor. I get such excellent results from my Kirby that I can’t believe that’s accurate for the majority of peoples carpeting and hard floors. I mean come on I can see dust bunnies FLY from several inches away into the Kirby nozzle with the brushroll off cleaning my hard floors. And as for carpeting. I have done the flour and sand test on several of my thick area rugs and carpeting with amazing results. My Sentria 2 sucked up the flour from under the area rug in one pass and every bit of the sand from my deep plush carpet.

Thanks guys, as always I love reading your comments.
 
So does anyone know what the attachments/accessories and manuals look like. Like are all the red accent and wording that was on the tools and accessories of the avalir 1, are those accent pieces and wordings now blue. Like for example of the turbo accessory and zippbrush on the avalir 1 the word KIRBY is red, so I'm assuming that theyre now blue, am I correct? Now I posted a video link of the msss for the avalir2, a few comments back, and I was wondering if thats what it looks like for this model. If anyone can conform it that would be great. Also if anyone has a youtube channel can they upload the dvd owners manual.
 
Patrick,


 


It is not possible to put a filter on the air vent on the side of the Kirby G series vacuums. This vent allows hot air from the motor's cooling fan to escape from the motor compartment. If the air escaping from this vent is restricted by any type of filter, the motor will soon overheat. I know of at least 3 people that have tried this only to burn out the motor in their Kirby's.


 


 
 
@Partick

I really hope it's blue it would be a nice throw back to tradition. Oh and I don't blame you for liking the SenII. The color schemes remind me of 60s (maybe 70s) Eurekas.
I don't know what going with the EU rating either. My Diamond editons easily picks up litter from a distance off my hard floors and lifts up my entire rug and gets all the carpet powder out even when the bag is nearly full.
 
Patrick they need to do something about the carbon emissions. I know the Tandem air cleaners have a carbon filter and the new Sebo X7 has a much better exhaust filter now.

I don't agree with a C rating either and the MD of Kirby UK certainly doesn't either from the tone of his voice when I spoke to him 😁

Maybe they didn't adjust the floorhead properly. Kirby should ask for a retest and for a Kirby rep to be present to ensure it's set up correctly.
 
@sptyks

Hi Stan,

Thanks for the clarification, I didn’t know what that side vent was used for, just trying to figure out where carbon dust was escaping to lower the Kirby emissions to such a bad rating. Thank you for explaining that, now I know.

I just don’t see how that emissions rating and the “C” ratings for carpet and flooring can be correct. I know I have lots of allergies and even asthma and I can vacuum the entire house with my Kirby Sentria 2 and never sneeze once. AND the carpets look new and clean as well as I love watching the dog hair and dust bunnies FLY across the floor into the Kirby.

Thanks Tyler for the comment about liking the Sentria 2 bag as well. I think they should go all out and make a Kirby bag with a colorful LAVA lamps and Disco Balls design! Just Joking but how fun would that be. I wonder if anyone else, besides me, has thought about buying other outer bags in different patterns, just to snazzy up their Kirby or make it more exciting?? I’m tempted to buy the Avalir 2 Blue Bag after they start selling them to see how it looks on my Sentria 2.

Mark, I TOTALLY agree! I am always suspect of vacuum testing and I think it’s only fair that these testing facilities allow at least one representative from the company be present for testing to see if they are adjusting it correctly, etc. There are a lot of variables that could make the test results less reliable or incorrect. What if in the EU testing, they didn’t secure the disposable HEPA bag correctly? What if like you said they didn’t set the height adjustment to the correct position? Good call on that Marki.

Thanks guys!
 
@Partick

I actually would like to have custom outer bags. I've seen some people on YouTube put classic bag on G Series and would like to try it some day because I really like the older bags puff up.

Oh, and if someone does make custom bag I'll need one that looks like Nintendo's kirby for obvious reasons.
 
@Stan, reply 69

Don't try & tell me one couldn't put a filter on the Kirby's motor air vent! That's total BS. When you say three people tried it & killed the motor on their Kirby, the key is they did it homemade, it was NOT something engineered into the vacuum's entire system. The fact that Sebo has done it with the X Series uprights for a LONG time now, & Tacony has done it with the Riccar/Simplicity Tandem Air uprights, is proof it can be done if some thought is put into the engineering & executed properly.

I completely agree with Marcus in reply 71 that Kirby needs to do something about it IMMEDIATELY. It's just not acceptable anymore for a vacuum to not have any sort of exhaust filtration, even if it's just a micro filter. Consumers are demanding it now, even if they aren't allergy sufferers. It may just be carbon dust emissions, but it's not modern for a vacuum not to have a exhaust filter & it's a very valid reason for a consumer to say "no" to the Kirby when they have a presentation in their home.

I think if Kirby put a filter similar to Miele's Super Air Clean filter material that comes with their bags, I think something like that would provide adequate exhaust filtration for the carbon dust, & not be so restrictive as to cause a problem with the motor, as long as it was changed regularly with every bag change. Just include the filters with the bags in a package of bags & proper instructions.

As for the Avalir2? Not a fan of it. The blue accents are nice, but I am not a fan of the blue "K" on the bag. Definitely agree with Keither in reply 53 that the first Avalir color scheme looks better. Kirby definitely needs to get with it & stop making new red accents & then a Avalir2 with a new color scheme & just design a new model. How much longer can they keep trotting out the same old tired platform & still stay in business??

Rob
 
Carbon emission from vacuum motors-Gee-for close to 100 years folks have been vacuuming with cleaners emitting carbon dust-its so minute-not worth worrying about.And it stays near the vacuum.There is ZERO dirt emissions from the bag when I tested it with an IQ Air particle meter.Yes,we can make a filter for the motor exhaust-but is it really necessary?I haven't seen people falling over from carbon dust emitted from vacuum cleaner motors-and keep in mind OTHER household appliances and power tools use carbon brush equipped motors.should we put filters on those,too?Honestly-there are other things more serious to worry about.
 
Yes I agree but in the EU when you see an F rating for emissions it doesn't look good does it. And it could easily be solved.

Of course it's not harmful and the bags filter very well it's just the impression it will give when people see this label. :)
 
Hey everybody,

Sorry, I didn’t mean to offend anyone with my comment regarding Kirby emissions. Like Mark, I was simply disappointed that such an awesome vacuum as the Kirby would receive an “F” rating for emissions when all the Important stuff is totally filtered out by the bag!

My comment was a rambling where I simply thought maybe the Kirby design team could consider a way to stop carbon dust emissions simply to gain an “A” rating for emissions... I meant nothing else and was not implying anything bad about Kirby. I’m not bothered by the thought of carbon emissions, just the dust and pollen.. which awesomely enough the Kirby removes easily with it’s excellent micron filtration bags.

So I hope since we are ALL vacuum fans and no matter which brand or type of vacuum we prefer... we can all come together here and have fun and post our ideas and thoughts. I certainly didn’t mean to get folks arguing with each other. Thanks everybody and have a great day!
 
@juju93

Hi Julian,

I highly doubt your request is being ignored, but more likely no one has seen the manual and DVD yet. I know of only a very few people who have even seen this vacuum in person. Guess we all will have to wait as Kirby doesn’t even acknowledge the Avalir 2 on their website yet.

I’m excited to see everything as well but I guess we will just have to wait until someone who blogs here gets one and takes pics for us. It’s exciting but I hate waiting too, so I can sympathize with you.

Have a great day!
 
@rob Reply #74

Rob,


 


I'm afraid that you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about.


How many Direct Air vacuums do you know of that have a filter specifically for capturing Carbon dust emitted from the motor brushes? Sebo and Miele don't count because they are not Direct Air machines.  So all of the following Direct Air vacuums Do Not have any type of filter for Carbon Dust emissions: Royal Metal Upright, Kirby, Sanitaire, Hoover, etc. Riccar Tandem Air doesn't count because the Direct Air motor Carbon emissions are captured by the Bypass Air motor and sent into the bag.


 


I don't see Kirby spending any effort on trying to design a filter to capture motor emissions for the following reasons:


 


1.  The Carbon dust expelled by the Kirby's motor cooling fan is so Minute that it is totally harmless to anyone. Carbon is harmless! Think about the Miele Bypass Air upright which has a Charcoal filter. What is Charcoal made of? Carbon!!! If Charcoal is harmless to Humans, so Carbon dust is also harmless to Humans!!!!!


 


2. CRI Labs has awarded the Kirby Avalir the Gold seal of approval for it's cleaning ability and also the Green environmental seal of approval for emissions. CRI doesn't bother to measure emissions from the Kirby's cooling fan exhaust because of reason #1 above.


 


3. Kirby is not bothered by the EU's "F" rating for emissions. Kirby's sales in the EU are less than 1% of overall sales worldwide. IMHO The EU's testing laboratories seems to have a stick up their butt when it comes to testing American made appliances. 


 


 
 
You are incorrect about the Tandem air machines. The direct air motor has a carbon filter. It does not exhaust into the bag chamber.

I'm sad to think Kirby don't care about us in Europe haha. Maybe us folks in Europe don't care about the Kirby either :)
 
the new G3 has a big V hole

Kirby on the early generation series used to put a foam filter for carbon dust, so did Oreck on the Xl21, Bissell also did on there dual fan machines later made by Tacony. And of course is the Tacony tandem air machines.
Carbon dust emissions and recirculation of any dust in the air in the room is a concern.

If Kirby wasn't owned by Scott's fitzer they wouldn't still exist. Like I've been saying they need to come out with a modern design for the modern Market.
 
Kirby changes

I'm not in to uprights, much prefer canisters so I've been watching this thread but haven't really had much to contribute, although if Kirby ever does come out with a new model, one change I think they should make is to provide an easy way to stop the brush roll for cleaning bare floors. Unless I'm mistaken which is possible, currently you have to turn the machine off, wait for the motor to stop and then move a bar to disengage the belt. Many uprights now provide a simple switch to do this. Actually, that leads me to a question. Is it even possible to provide this feature without a separate motor that spins the brush roll? All of the uprights I can think of that provide this are clean air, two motor designs, the Sebo Felix, the Tacony tandom air and two motor uprights, etc.
Mike
 
Kirby could just use a small portion of the suction airflow to cool the motor. I’ll bet it would be quieter (no motor vent) and it would take care of the carbon emissions.
 

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