Kirby Avalir 2?

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@juju93

Hi Julian,

I highly doubt your request is being ignored, but more likely no one has seen the manual and DVD yet. I know of only a very few people who have even seen this vacuum in person. Guess we all will have to wait as Kirby doesn’t even acknowledge the Avalir 2 on their website yet.

I’m excited to see everything as well but I guess we will just have to wait until someone who blogs here gets one and takes pics for us. It’s exciting but I hate waiting too, so I can sympathize with you.

Have a great day!
 
@rob Reply #74

Rob,


 


I'm afraid that you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about.


How many Direct Air vacuums do you know of that have a filter specifically for capturing Carbon dust emitted from the motor brushes? Sebo and Miele don't count because they are not Direct Air machines.  So all of the following Direct Air vacuums Do Not have any type of filter for Carbon Dust emissions: Royal Metal Upright, Kirby, Sanitaire, Hoover, etc. Riccar Tandem Air doesn't count because the Direct Air motor Carbon emissions are captured by the Bypass Air motor and sent into the bag.


 


I don't see Kirby spending any effort on trying to design a filter to capture motor emissions for the following reasons:


 


1.  The Carbon dust expelled by the Kirby's motor cooling fan is so Minute that it is totally harmless to anyone. Carbon is harmless! Think about the Miele Bypass Air upright which has a Charcoal filter. What is Charcoal made of? Carbon!!! If Charcoal is harmless to Humans, so Carbon dust is also harmless to Humans!!!!!


 


2. CRI Labs has awarded the Kirby Avalir the Gold seal of approval for it's cleaning ability and also the Green environmental seal of approval for emissions. CRI doesn't bother to measure emissions from the Kirby's cooling fan exhaust because of reason #1 above.


 


3. Kirby is not bothered by the EU's "F" rating for emissions. Kirby's sales in the EU are less than 1% of overall sales worldwide. IMHO The EU's testing laboratories seems to have a stick up their butt when it comes to testing American made appliances. 


 


 
 
You are incorrect about the Tandem air machines. The direct air motor has a carbon filter. It does not exhaust into the bag chamber.

I'm sad to think Kirby don't care about us in Europe haha. Maybe us folks in Europe don't care about the Kirby either :)
 
the new G3 has a big V hole

Kirby on the early generation series used to put a foam filter for carbon dust, so did Oreck on the Xl21, Bissell also did on there dual fan machines later made by Tacony. And of course is the Tacony tandem air machines.
Carbon dust emissions and recirculation of any dust in the air in the room is a concern.

If Kirby wasn't owned by Scott's fitzer they wouldn't still exist. Like I've been saying they need to come out with a modern design for the modern Market.
 
Kirby changes

I'm not in to uprights, much prefer canisters so I've been watching this thread but haven't really had much to contribute, although if Kirby ever does come out with a new model, one change I think they should make is to provide an easy way to stop the brush roll for cleaning bare floors. Unless I'm mistaken which is possible, currently you have to turn the machine off, wait for the motor to stop and then move a bar to disengage the belt. Many uprights now provide a simple switch to do this. Actually, that leads me to a question. Is it even possible to provide this feature without a separate motor that spins the brush roll? All of the uprights I can think of that provide this are clean air, two motor designs, the Sebo Felix, the Tacony tandom air and two motor uprights, etc.
Mike
 
Kirby could just use a small portion of the suction airflow to cool the motor. I’ll bet it would be quieter (no motor vent) and it would take care of the carbon emissions.
 
@broomvac

If you knew anything about how Direct Air vacuums work and how the airpath is designed,  you would understand that what you are suggesting is not possible.


 


The fan chamber is totally isolated from the motor and motor cooling fan to prevent dirt and dust from collecting inside the motor and destroying it.


 


There are several videos on Youtube that show the disassembly and reassembly of various Kirby vacuums. I suggest you watch at least one of these videos, then you  will understand why your idea is not possible. 
 
Carbon dust motor filters...

<p style="background-color: transparent; border-image-outset: 0; border-image-repeat: stretch; border-image-slice: 100%; border-image-source: none; border-image-width: 1; color: #000000; font-family: serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: bold; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px none #000000;">On Direct Air vacuums are not only impractical, but totally unnecessary. Carbon dust emissions from Direct Air motors is not only invisible, but totally harmless. The Tacony Tandem Air machines are not true Direct Air vacuums.</p>
<p style="background-color: transparent; border-image-outset: 0; border-image-repeat: stretch; border-image-slice: 100%; border-image-source: none; border-image-width: 1; color: #000000; font-family: serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: bold; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px none #000000;"> </p>
<p style="background-color: transparent; border-image-outset: 0; border-image-repeat: stretch; border-image-slice: 100%; border-image-source: none; border-image-width: 1; color: #000000; font-family: serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: bold; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; padding: 0px; margin: 0px; border: 0px none #000000;">Kirby has been selling vacuums with the same basic Direct Air design for over 100 years. I don't see why it matters that Scott & Fetzer owns Kirby. Kirby is still in business because their machines cannot be beaten when it comes down to deep cleaning carpets. Why would Kirby drastically change their design when the current design works so well?</p>
 
 
@no0xy: The "bar" you refer to is actually more like a little crank that lifts the belt off of the motor shaft. Turn the machine off, turn the crank and you're back in business in like five seconds. Not a big deal. Kirby also offers a hard surface plate that snaps onto the bottom of the nozzle to keep the brush roll from touching the floor.

A twin-motor design would make absolutely no sense for Kirby; it's just not what they do. There's no practical way to add that to the existing design and the compromises needed to incorporate it would turn Kirby into just another bagless plasticrap vac with nothing to distinguish it from the competition. A big part of Kirby's success comes from offering something different, something its customers can't find at their local big-box store. Kirby is well aware their products aren't for everyone and they design their products accordingly. In successfully carving out a niche market, they cater to the needs and expectations of that market. People who are inclined to by a $89 piece of plasticrap from Walmart aren't part of that market and their desires aren't considered any more than, say, Porsche considers the needs and desires of the average econo hatchback driver in its product designs.
 
sptyks

I am well aware of how Kirbys work. I have rebuilt more than I can count.

In fact, my suggestion is absolutely possible. You did not understand my suggestion.

This is an awkward illustration, but imagine this:

1. Attach Kirby rug nozzle to machine.
2. Drill hole in nozzle wing
3. Glue one end of a hose to said hole in nozzle
4. Attach other end to motor vent
5. Vacuum carpet as usual

All carbon dust goes into the bag. In fact, with this setup, a separate motor cooling would not even be required. The dirt-free suction airflow alone could cool the motor. Kirby vacuums have more than enough airflow to spare.

Of course, such a setup could be engineered much more elegantly. But this is what I meant in my earlier post.
 
In other words, the air going INTO the kirby’s fan gets split somewhat. Some goes to the floor (this air stream carries dirt) and the other separate stream is directed over the motor to cool it and suck away the carbon dust.
 

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